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#1 Mar 22 2012 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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So I have two boys, one is 5 the other is 9. They go to the same school. We just found out that our 5 year old has been being bullied (physically) by a group of 3 seven year old boys everyday. The school has said they are aware of it and are "keeping and eye on it" but the 3 boys are "small" so they're not worried about it. (As if that makes any sense) My 5 year old has been very upset lately, he doesn't have a violent bone in his body and doesn't understand why he's being targeted
Now on to my question. Since the school isn't doing anything about it is it time I taught my 9 year old to step in and protect his brother? I'm sure this will lead to the school getting my 9 year in trouble which will lead me to raising hell about them not doing anything about the original incidents in the first place.

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#2 Mar 22 2012 at 8:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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You could demand a meeting with you, the school 'official' (counselor, principal, etc) and the parents of the kids involved.
#3 Mar 22 2012 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Now on to my question. Since the school isn't doing anything about it is it time I taught my 9 year old to step in and protect his brother?
No, you teach your five year old to step up and protect himself. His brother isn't always going to be there to protect him, and he's going to need to to eventually do it himself. Or at the very least teach them both to protect themselves.
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#5 Mar 22 2012 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Peimei wrote:
Now on to my question. Since the school isn't doing anything about it is it time I taught my 9 year old to step in and protect his brother?
No, you teach your five year old to step up and protect himself. His brother isn't always going to be there to protect him, and he's going to need to to eventually do it himself. Or at the very least teach them both to protect themselves.

I agree with lolgaxe. If big brother does see it he can step in and stop it. Just don't hit the bullies unless they attack him.
#6 Mar 22 2012 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
Hammer the officials. It's sad, but in this day and age in schools, you risk getting punished for defending yourself.
#7 Mar 22 2012 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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Hammer the officials. It's sad, but in this day and age in schools, you risk getting punished for defending yourself.

It's true. Raise hell if you have to. Teaching your son to stand up for himself isn't mutually exclusive from this, though.
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#8 Mar 22 2012 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks, You've all confirmed my own thoughts on this matter.
#9 Mar 22 2012 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Peimei wrote:
he doesn't have a violent bone in his body and doesn't understand why he's being targeted


That would do it, sadly enough. Nice people make easy targets. Smiley: frown

Hope everything works out for him.
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#10 Mar 22 2012 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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Demand a meeting with the principal and the other parents. Principal is the head of the school and you should go straight to the top since you've already been ignored once. The other parents might not be aware of what is going on. No school official likes to call in other parents and say "your kid is the bully." They know that the parents generally get defensive. But in this way once the facts come out, the parents can address their kids' behavior at home.

And have a heart to heart with your kids. Explain that some bullies don't understand anything except a fight, and if it has to go down that route, you'll love them no matter what and they just have to accept that even though they broke school rules for fighting, they stood up for themselves. It might not be fair, but life sometimes just isn't fair.
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As others have said, teach him to protect himself, simply so he knows how to protect himself. However, that isn't the answer here. I would say demand a meeting with the parents, but there's likely some type of behavior going on at home that is contributing to this, so probably not much of an avenue there.

Discus it with the school and if they fight you at all (which they already have), talk to a lawyer about talking to the local media. This is enough of an issue with the media that they should jump all over it.

I have no qualms about going after jobs when it comes to the well-being of my kid, and I would think that being in an unsafe environment would be counterproductive to learning.
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Teach your child to use firearms. Shooting sprees, etc..
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#13 Mar 22 2012 at 1:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sue the school and the parents of the bullies.

Christ! It's like none of you even know what it means to be American.
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#14 Mar 22 2012 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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As others have said, teach him to protect himself, simply so he knows how to protect himself. However, that isn't the answer here. I would say demand a meeting with the parents, but there's likely some type of behavior going on at home that is contributing to this, so probably not much of an avenue there.


Yeah, that was my thought. It's not always the case, but most of the time when someone is being a bully it's because of trouble at home. You should have your 5 year old watch this video:



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Sue the school and the parents of the bullies.

Christ! It's like none of you even know what it means to be American.


When your opponent can afford better lawyers you have to level the field. Hence the reason I mentioned the media.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Sue the school and the parents of the bullies.

Christ! It's like none of you even know what it means to be American.


While I realize the rest of canada views us in southern ontario as americans I am actually canadian.
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#18 Mar 22 2012 at 7:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Buy a small concealable audio recorder. Instruct your son to record the next incident (or get one that will record a full day's worth of audio), and make sure he knows not to say anything back to them at all on that day, no matter how much they provoke him, other than "quit harrasing me, I've asked you to stop" and have him repeat that as often as he likes.

Edit the audio clip to that section, and assuming you hear what I suspect you will, send a copy to the principle, cc'ing the school board. Then demand they do something immidiatly, or face a lawsuit.

Also let your son know that he is never, ever to start a fight, but if they hit him first, he has your permission to put them down hard, even if that means he gets in trouble with the school that one time. He has a right to defend himself from agression. Some self defense training (martial arts, etc) would also probably go along way even at that early an age.
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Buy a small concealable audio recorder. Instruct your son to record the next incident (or get one that will record a full day's worth of audio), and make sure he knows not to say anything back to them at all on that day, no matter how much they provoke him, other than "quit harrasing me, I've asked you to stop" and have him repeat that as often as he likes.

Make sure it is legal first, Some states (yes yes Canadian, don't know the laws there) it is illegal to record without permission, they nail you on wiretapping laws which frankly is stupid if it is a public place.

I would call the principal about this from my home line at least 3x regarding this, then when nothing happens write a hand written letter to the school board and/or highest ranking official in your city/town. Do the same for a local media outlet as well. Reason I say to do from the home phone is so you can have phone records pulled to show you actively tried to get it to stop but the school hasn't.
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Teach your child to use firearms. Shooting sprees, etc..

Send your son to school with a .22 pistol. Tell the school you're aware of the situation but since it's just a little gun you're only going to monitor it for now but you're not too worried.
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Peimei wrote:
Now on to my question. Since the school isn't doing anything about it is it time I taught my 9 year old to step in and protect his brother?
No, you teach your five year old to step up and protect himself. His brother isn't always going to be there to protect him, and he's going to need to to eventually do it himself. Or at the very least teach them both to protect themselves.


This is the correct answer.

When I was in first grade, two boys (both fifth grade) frequently bullied me. One day they picked me up by my ankles and dumped me headfirst into a garbage can suspended on wooden stilts (the bottom could rock back and forth but it could not be tipped over.) I was stuck there for a long time... The next day, I waited for them to be apart from one another, found the biggest rock I could find, and threw it as hard as I could and nailed him in the face. He cried like a little girl, and I was never bullied again (by those individuals).
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How do you teach a 5 year old to step up and protect themselves? I don't see how a 5 yr old can have the wisdom to know how this is an ok time to hit someone, but when the kid who won't share with him, isn't. Maybe my 5 yr old is behind the curve or I'm not giving him enough credit, but I don't see him making that distinction all to well on most occasions.
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How do you teach a 5 year old to step up and protect themselves?

Nun-chucks.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
How do you teach a 5 year old to step up and protect themselves? I don't see how a 5 yr old can have the wisdom to know how this is an ok time to hit someone, but when the kid who won't share with him, isn't. Maybe my 5 yr old is behind the curve or I'm not giving him enough credit, but I don't see him making that distinction all to well on most occasions.


Agreed. I think "teach him to defend himself" is terrible advice.

Im really surprised there are kids getting away with that at that age. When I was in elementary school I got in a couple scuffs and was immediately busted by the teachers/aides, sent to the principal's office and given a note to have my parents sign.



Edited, Mar 23rd 2012 8:56am by KTurner
#26 Mar 24 2012 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd say to tell him to not engage in violence unless the bullies start it. Other than that, I imagine the whole thing could be solved if he could go and tell a teacher. When I was in elementary this kind of thing would be handled by a teacher telling the offending party to go hang out somewhere else.

If this fails, I'd say place a call to the principal/counselor and to the bullies' parents. Arrange a meeting.

If even that fails, threaten with media/lawyers.

Edited, Mar 24th 2012 4:03pm by CestinShaman
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