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#1 Jul 18 2011 at 9:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-18-Borders-Bankruptcy_n.htm

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The book retailer will wind down its remaining 399 stores starting Friday after it couldn't reach an agreement with an earlier bidder, Najafi Cos., about an offer to keep the company running. Borders won't hold an auction, as there have been no proposals to keep the company operating, it said in a statement Monday.

"We were all working hard towards a different outcome, but the headwinds we have been facing for quite some time, including the rapidly changing book industry, eReader revolution, and turbulent economy, have brought us to where we are now," said Borders Group President Mike Edwards in a statement.

Liquidators led by Hilco Merchant Resources and Gordon Brothers Retail Partners, who were the opening bidders for the planned auction, will now buy the chain's assets and liquidate them, subject to bankruptcy court approval. The deadline for bids passed Sunday without any offers.
Borders has 10,700 employees, and a phased rollout will close its stores by September. The company said it will complete the wind-down under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and expects to be able to pay its business partners.

The sale to liquidators, still subject to bankruptcy court approval, leaves no one to assume the company's business contracts, creditors said in objections filed in bankruptcy court Monday.

The chain, which once operated more than 1,000 stores, lost business as customers switched to e-readers such as Amazon's Kindle. Barnes & Noble invested in its own Nook e-reader.
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Well that sucks! we need at least 2 major chains for competiion.
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Lame, but that means epic book sale. So that is a win.
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The Borders here in Gainesville went out of business a couple of months ago. By the time I heard about it (it was like 50-80% off), most of the stuff was gone Smiley: frown

We still have Books-a-Million and Barnes&Noble around here though. And Amazon is my go-to source.
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#6 Jul 19 2011 at 6:30 AM Rating: Excellent
The guy who tries pushing the Nook at my local B&N parts his hair in the middle. As far as I'm concerned, that store at the minimum, should be fire bombed.
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We have a Books-A-Million here. I think it's doing ok. I usually buy from Amazon or the used bookstore, though. I can't remember if there's a Borders in Knoxville. If there is, I might have to drive up and see what I can get.
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The Borders near me is always busy. I just signed up for the premium rewards plan ($20 for an additional 10% off). I mean, I'm sure I'll still get my money's worth out of it, but still. Smiley: lol

I imagine outsourcing their online sales to Amazon ended up biting them in the ass.

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We raided the Borders a couple months ago. Only a day or 2 after the announcement and there wasn't much we wanted. There is another one nearby maybe we can catch the sale before everything goes away.
#10 Jul 19 2011 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
It's getting harder and harder for professional novelists to sell their wares these days. Catwho, what are kindred spirits like us going to do?

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Contact James Patterson so he can slap a "James Patterson Presents..." tag on it?
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Vestal Chamberlain Lubriderm wrote:
It's getting harder and harder for professional novelists to sell their wares these days. Catwho, what are kindred spirits like us going to do?


Ebooks are the way of the future, whether we like it or not.

The problem with the existing business model for publishers and bookstores alike is that it relies too heavily on best sellers to recoup profits. Only 7% of books sold in bookstores will "buy out" their advance before they're dropped to the mid list. That means 93% of the books sold in bookstores don't actually make their publishers any money. Publishers rely on big names, big displays, and big numbers from the remaining 7% of books to make up the difference.

The eBook model and print on demand models mean much smaller advances for authors, but also much smaller risks for publishers.
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Lame, but that means epic book sale. So that is a win.

I wouldn't be too optimistic. They're handing over the liquidation to the same people who did the Circuit City liquidation. They shuffle stock around, bring in things from previously liquidated stores that hasn't sold yet, warehouse the stuff that doesn't sell for the price they want to sell later at their next liquidation, etc.

By all means, go look. I'd just be ready to not see all my favorites at 75% off.
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At least books have a list price printed on them. I worked at Circuit City for the Christmas before they closed. The liquidators jacked up the prices before slapping the X%-off signs on a lot of the merchandise.
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At least books have a list price printed on them. I worked at Circuit City for the Christmas before they closed. The liquidators jacked up the prices before slapping the X%-off signs on a lot of the merchandise.
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At least books have a list price printed on them. I worked at Circuit City for the Christmas before they closed. The liquidators jacked up the prices before slapping the X%-off signs on a lot of the merchandise.


That's what Borders did at the sale I went to. Well it depended on the merchandise. Electronics at Borders are already at sky high prices, the sale percents actually bring them down to a relatively normal price which you would find pretty much everywhere else.

Manga is a good deal usually, if you can find the books that are in the $5-8 range. I saw a lot that were in the $15 range and the sale brought them down to the $7-8 range.
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At least books have a list price printed on them. I worked at Circuit City for the Christmas before they closed. The liquidators jacked up the prices before slapping the X%-off signs on a lot of the merchandise.
You have the resume of a drifter.


Some day we'll read in the newspaper about a drifter found dead in a ditch who's known only as "Spoonless".
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At least books have a list price printed on them. I worked at Circuit City for the Christmas before they closed. The liquidators jacked up the prices before slapping the X%-off signs on a lot of the merchandise.
You have the resume of a drifter.
Some day we'll read in the newspaper about a drifter found dead in a ditch who's known only as "Spoonless".
More likely an email, blog, or tweet.
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At least books have a list price printed on them. I worked at Circuit City for the Christmas before they closed. The liquidators jacked up the prices before slapping the X%-off signs on a lot of the merchandise.
You have the resume of a drifter.
Some day we'll read in the newspaper about a drifter found dead in a ditch who's known only as "Spoonless".
More likely an email, blog, or tweet.


I'd email someone about how I blogged that tweet.
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At least books have a list price printed on them. I worked at Circuit City for the Christmas before they closed. The liquidators jacked up the prices before slapping the X%-off signs on a lot of the merchandise.
You have the resume of a drifter.


Some day we'll read in the newspaper about a drifter found dead in a ditch who's known only as "Spoonless".
There's a joke in there about calling me a ditch, and questioning why there's a dead drifter inside me.
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I always preferred Borders over Barnes and Noble. I suppose I'm just as guilty though since I've made all my recent purchases from Amazon over the last few years.
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NPR was discussing it today. Sounds like Borders made some f*cking AWFUL choices over the past decade or so. And that's not even in a hindsight sense--they were obviously dumb as hell when they made them. Dumping tons of cash into DVDs/CDs after the market had clearly shifted to digital media, choosing to refurbish their stores instead of buffing up their online presence, using Amazon for their electronic sales, when Amazon was already a competitor, etc.

Worst thing is that their bad choices are going to cost a hell of a lot of people their jobs.
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I believe the immediate fallout is estimated to be 11,000 jobs, with another domino wave of that many from other industries following shortly (dedicated Borders account reps at publishers, etc.)
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I suppose this is a bad time to really want to open a book store, eh?

I have some excellent ideas for promotions, too. Smiley: frown
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I suppose this is a bad time to really want to open a book store, eh?

I have some excellent ideas for promotions, too. Smiley: frown


Try opening an electronic bookstore; make it friendly to all devices.

Sell coffee and heroin.
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I suppose this is a bad time to really want to open a book store, eh?

I have some excellent ideas for promotions, too. Smiley: frown


Try opening an electronic bookstore; make it friendly to all devices.

Sell coffee and heroin.


That was sort of one facet of what I was thinking of, if it could be done.

ETA: Uh, except the heroin part, of course... Smiley: um

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Put the heroin in the coffee. Really mess their internal organs up.
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I can't see how you'd turn a profit without dealing drugs.
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#30 Jul 21 2011 at 8:12 PM Rating: Excellent
On a related note, the local Borders gathered up all their food and food related items and donated them to the Mission here.

It's like looting a Fabled named's corpse after all the raiders leave the zone.Smiley: grin
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Yeah, I just got a "Going out of Business" email from them. Will probably head there this afternoon for some looting of my own.
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On a related note, the local Borders gathered up all their food and food related items and donated them to the Mission here.

"So, which of you hobos wants a pomegranate & acai energy bar and some free-trade chocolate?"
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On a related note, the local Borders gathered up all their food and food related items and donated them to the Mission here.

"So, which of you hobos wants a pomegranate & acai energy bar and some free-trade chocolate?"

All of them. The homeless aren't picky eaters.Smiley: nod


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Edit: There, added some quotes to make it clearer. Now my conscience is clean.

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At least books have a list price printed on them. I worked at Circuit City for the Christmas before they closed. The liquidators jacked up the prices before slapping the X%-off signs on a lot of the merchandise.
You have the resume of a drifter.


Some day we'll read in the newspaper about a drifter found dead in a ditch who's known only as "Spoonless".
There's a joke in there about calling me a ditch, and questioning why there's a dead drifter inside me.


So you ate driftwood without the aid of a spoon? I'm not really following you, here.
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I suppose this is a bad time to really want to open a book store, eh?

I have some excellent ideas for promotions, too. Smiley: frown


No it's actually a great time, but only if you do it correctly.

Dying competition generally leaves a fill-able void.
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I got annoyed at Borders for having local bands and singers in the cafe. We're in a music town, sure, but when I go to the bookstore I don't want to listen to anything more than the elevator music on the radio, and some of the touring musicians were frankly not that good.
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At least books have a list price printed on them. I worked at Circuit City for the Christmas before they closed. The liquidators jacked up the prices before slapping the X%-off signs on a lot of the merchandise.
You have the resume of a drifter.


Some day we'll read in the newspaper about a drifter found dead in a ditch who's known only as "Spoonless".
There's a joke in there about calling me a ditch, and questioning why there's a dead drifter inside me.


So you ate driftwood without the aid of a spoon? I'm not really following you, here.
Don't ask me. I'm not the one who wrote the grammatically ambiguous sentence.
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#39 Aug 02 2011 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
I will need to call the store nearest to me and see if they are still open. I didn't hear about this until now and I have a gift card that I'd like to use.
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Borders outside Penn Station in NYC was having a closing sale. I stopped in there instead of facing rush hour traffic for the train. Was depressing. :(

They also just piled out all their stock on the shelves, so most of it wasn't in the right place. Loud store + unorganized = me confused about where I am.
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NPR was discussing it today. Sounds like Borders made some f*cking AWFUL choices over the past decade or so. And that's not even in a hindsight sense--they were obviously dumb as hell when they made them. Dumping tons of cash into DVDs/CDs after the market had clearly shifted to digital media, choosing to refurbish their stores instead of buffing up their online presence, using Amazon for their electronic sales, when Amazon was already a competitor, etc.


This basically. Borders just made really poor decisions. They were too diversified IMO, trying to sell tons of different things instead of focusing on just books. I've always gone to Barnes and Noble mainly because there's one about 3 blocks from my house. I remember the first time I walked into a Borders (a couple years ago I think), I just remember it feeling "odd". There was this *huge* interior space, poorly laid out, with a hard concrete floor, with a coffee stand in one area, a big reading area, whole sections for different things (only maybe a quarter of the store actually had anything to do with books), and the whole store maybe had 5 customers in it. It smelled like a warehouse and felt like a ghost town. I remember thinking then "how the hell do they stay in business?". Well, now I know.


In contrast, the B&N near my place has comfy carpet in the whole place, is maybe 50' on a side, and is always packed. I've never been in there when there wasn't 20+ people in the store. It feels much more welcoming and comfortable. Dunno, B&N just always felt more like what I think a book store should feel like. Borders? Not so much.
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That's funny. I've had the opposite experience where I am. The Borders near me was very well laid out and had nice carpeting. The cafe section was very comfortable, with a few good tables to be able to enjoy your coffee and newspaper. In contrast, the closest B&N just feels like a cluster@#%^ when you're in there, and there's this Starbucks counter stuffed in the corner, with nowhere to sit down.
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I have always preferred Barnes & Noble. The one in Cool Springs is just more welcoming. It's quieter, more comfortable. The Borders seems like a Target or Wal-mart.
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I've always gone to Books-A-Million.

The one here is a warehouse sized space with 95% books (tiny reading areas between shelves), 4% coffee and 1% nerdy impulse buys around the register line area. It's awesome. They do indeed have books by the million as the name implies.
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My local B&N isn't bad. The aisles are a bit narrow, but there is plenty of seating near the starbucks and magazine section.
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The Borders near me dedicated the entire first floor to kitsch. Don't really miss it. Then again, if I don't go to the library, I buy my books off of Amazon.

Also, the NYC Borders had terrible coffee.

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Yeah, our Borders had this entire random gift wrapping section. It never really worked. I don't go to a bookstore to buy wrapping paper.

Our Barnes & Noble is much smaller than our Borders was, but the layout is much better. They have a corner slot, so two walls are fully glassed, and in the back corner is their cafe, on a raised platform with tons of wooden chairs that get uncomfortable after about thirty minutes(I call these the NQ chairs.) There are also a handful of really nice stuffed leather sofas that I think of as the HQ chairs - getting a claim on one of those is difficult.
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#48 Aug 12 2011 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
Isn't diversification in business a good thing? When you concentrate on just one product, you saturate the market and then stop gaining shares/profit. Although I don't know that would necessarily apply to a bookstore, since there is such a wide variety of books.

I don't know how long ago they opened, but when they first opened it was Borders, Books, and Music in Southern California. They were designed more hip to appeal to a younger crowd. There was a huge draw with the coffee, music, and books all in one location. It was quite popular with the younger crowd, where B&N had more of a stuffy sophisticated feel at the time.

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Isn't diversification in business a good thing? When you concentrate on just one product, you saturate the market and then stop gaining shares/profit. Although I don't know that would necessarily apply to a bookstore, since there is such a wide variety of books.

If you're designing a department store, sure.

I think the issue with Borders was that, once they were suffering from competition, they asked "What else can we sell besides books?" rather than "How can we sell more books?" Like others said, they got into selling gift wrap and scrapbooking supplies and educational toys/games and free-trade toffee and Build-A-Bear sets and whatever other crap other the sun that I don't go to bookstores to find. This made the bookstore bit less attractive and it grew smaller and more cluttered. But I never thought "Man, I want to go to Borders for scrapbooking stamps" either... I just stopped going there for books.
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In the end it didn't pass because we're so politicized. There were some on my side who did not want to be seen helping the president do something he wanted to get done, just because the president wanted to do it
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Borders went under because Barnes & Noble got Starbucks.
#51 Aug 12 2011 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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I think the issue with Borders was that, once they were suffering from competition, they asked "What else can we sell besides books?"


I guess I missed the point I was trying to make. I was under the impression that when they opened they weren't trying to be a book store, but a place the sold books, music, and other stuff. This would by why they asked themselves the wrong question. I agree they did try to be too diversified, and like I said in my op, diversification doesn't necessarily work in a book store itself.
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