Ok, so as I finished in-processing my new post, I had to undergo DADT training mandated by the 4 star. I felt that I should share some of the highlights from this training to prevent anyone from being mislead by the media.
1. DADT is currently still under full effect and will be removed no later than 60 days after all of the Chiefs of Staffs, etc. have all come together in agreement that the U.S. military is ready for the change.
2. There will not be any additional housing/showering for "homosexuals" or "heterosexuals", however, Commanders reserve the right to relocate people on a case by case scenario if comfort is ever an issue.
3. Same Sex partners/spouses will NOT receive any benefits such as Basic Housing Allowance, Separation Pay, Medical, etc., however any child will.
4. No family housing will be provided for any same sex couples.
5. The military will not fund any same sex partner to relocate to any serviceman's location.
6. If a servicemen seeks help from a Chaplain, the Chaplain and only the Chaplain reserves the right to negatively address your sexuality.
7. Commanders are not required to know your sexuality.
8. All regulations on sexual indecency are still in effect and will equally apply to everyone.
I'll bring up more if I remember more.
Edited, Jul 1st 2011 1:28pm by Almalieque
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Almalieque wrote:
I'll bring up more as I make it.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
I'll bring up more as I make it.
Really? What part of that don't you believe? I'm sure lolGaxe received the same briefing and he can contest to it.
Pretty pathetic, I take the time out to give you the truth so you don't fall for the "The war is over!!!" nonsense and you accuse me of being a liar..
Well, believe what you want and live in denial.
P.S. I'll see if I can find the briefing on an official site.
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3. Same Sex partners/spouses will NOT receive any benefits such as Basic Housing Allowance, Separation Pay, Medical, etc., however any child will.
4. No family housing will be provided for any same sex couples.
5. The military will not fund any same sex partner to relocate to any serviceman's location.
5. If a servicemen seeks help from a Chaplain, the Chaplain and only the Chaplain reserves the right to negatively address your sexuality.
4. No family housing will be provided for any same sex couples.
5. The military will not fund any same sex partner to relocate to any serviceman's location.
5. If a servicemen seeks help from a Chaplain, the Chaplain and only the Chaplain reserves the right to negatively address your sexuality.
Wtf?
And Alma's in the military? Guess it is true that they target the lowest tier of graduates out of high school.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
Reminds me of the poster about The Homosexual Agenda.
1. Go to the store for milk.
2. Call mom.
3. Be treated equally.
*sigh*
1. Go to the store for milk.
2. Call mom.
3. Be treated equally.
*sigh*
Why are you berating Alma?
idiggory wrote:
Quote:
3. Same Sex partners/spouses will NOT receive any benefits such as Basic Housing Allowance, Separation Pay, Medical, etc., however any child will.
4. No family housing will be provided for any same sex couples.
5. The military will not fund any same sex partner to relocate to any serviceman's location.
5. If a servicemen seeks help from a Chaplain, the Chaplain and only the Chaplain reserves the right to negatively address your sexuality.
4. No family housing will be provided for any same sex couples.
5. The military will not fund any same sex partner to relocate to any serviceman's location.
5. If a servicemen seeks help from a Chaplain, the Chaplain and only the Chaplain reserves the right to negatively address your sexuality.
Wtf?
And Alma's in the military? Guess it is true that they target the lowest tier of graduates out of high school.
If they didn't require me to have a bachelor's degree to get in, then you might would have a point. Then again, you still would be ignorantly stupid. Only a small portion of the military is actually Combat Arms. Even as a knuckle dragger, it takes a smart person to understand a battle and be able to make quick life or death decisions while being fired upon that can result in not only your death but others.
I'm glad that you think the military is full of stupid of people. Crap, maybe I should go on leave and you let you "smart" people do all of the work.
Oh, wait, you pansy @$$ p!$$y probably to scared to leave the wire. Sit down, seal your lips and continue to be a mislead, ignorant follower of the media and society.
Almalieque wrote:
Oh, wait, you pansy @$$ p!$$y probably to scared to leave the wire. Sit down, seal your lips and continue to be a mislead, ignorant follower of the media and society.
Wow someone struck a nerve!
LOL, right?
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
I'll bring up more as I make it.
Berate him when he does bad things, not when he is being constructive.
We want him to be constructive.
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Here's a copy of the memo from my general buddy. Don't worry, military types, it's approved.
Just as Planned.
Almalieque wrote:
I'm glad that you think the military is full of stupid of people.
Stuff like this isn't helping your argument any.
Just sayin'.
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
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3. Same Sex partners/spouses will NOT receive any benefits such as Basic Housing Allowance, Separation Pay, Medical, etc., however any child will.
4. No family housing will be provided for any same sex couples.
5. The military will not fund any same sex partner to relocate to any serviceman's location.
5. If a servicemen seeks help from a Chaplain, the Chaplain and only the Chaplain reserves the right to negatively address your sexuality.
4. No family housing will be provided for any same sex couples.
5. The military will not fund any same sex partner to relocate to any serviceman's location.
5. If a servicemen seeks help from a Chaplain, the Chaplain and only the Chaplain reserves the right to negatively address your sexuality.
All digs at Alma aside, these points really do **** me off.
I would have expected them to recognize marriages/unions from states. The fact that they refuse to recognize ANY same-sex relationship, even if they are legally married, is just crap.
"Okay, FINE, we won't kick them out for being gay. But we sure as hell are going to do everything in our power to keep them from having sex!"
And, sorry, religious official or not, a Chaplain is an employee of the gov't. They don't have the right to spew their bullsh*t the same way non-affiliated clergy do. Frankly, their only reason for existence is support and funeral rights--there's absolutely no reason they should be allowed to criticize gay troops. It isn't their place to do so.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
If these points are true it looks like we have more work to do.
Sounds like if you aren't potentially raising someone's spawn, they don't want you ******** around.
But that's what makes it even more ridiculous--joint adoption is legal in several states. NY, for example, has had adoption for a while, and now has marriage.
So if you are married to someone in NY, and have a kid together (jointly), the military won't let you live together on base.
So what do you do? Have your kid come live with you, and his/her other mommy/daddy needs to stay home? Or do you pay to live off base, even though the military won't provide you with a housing allowance and you need to pay out of pocket?
Really, shame on me for thinking that the repeal of DADT would actually attempt to eliminate homophobic policies, not just begrudgingly allow gay officers to keep their jobs.
So if you are married to someone in NY, and have a kid together (jointly), the military won't let you live together on base.
So what do you do? Have your kid come live with you, and his/her other mommy/daddy needs to stay home? Or do you pay to live off base, even though the military won't provide you with a housing allowance and you need to pay out of pocket?
Really, shame on me for thinking that the repeal of DADT would actually attempt to eliminate homophobic policies, not just begrudgingly allow gay officers to keep their jobs.
IDrownFish wrote:
Anyways, you all are horrible, @#%^ed up people
lolgaxe wrote:
Never underestimate the healing power of a massive dong.
idiggory wrote:
But that's what makes it even more ridiculous--joint adoption is legal in several states. NY, for example, has had adoption for a while, and now has marriage.
So if you are married to someone in NY, and have a kid together (jointly), the military won't let you live together on base.
So what do you do? Have your kid come live with you, and his/her other mommy/daddy needs to stay home? Or do you pay to live off base, even though the military won't provide you with a housing allowance and you need to pay out of pocket?
Really, shame on me for thinking that the repeal of DADT would actually attempt to eliminate homophobic policies, not just begrudgingly allow gay officers to keep their jobs.
So if you are married to someone in NY, and have a kid together (jointly), the military won't let you live together on base.
So what do you do? Have your kid come live with you, and his/her other mommy/daddy needs to stay home? Or do you pay to live off base, even though the military won't provide you with a housing allowance and you need to pay out of pocket?
Really, shame on me for thinking that the repeal of DADT would actually attempt to eliminate homophobic policies, not just begrudgingly allow gay officers to keep their jobs.
It takes many steps to win a race.
Just as Planned.
What bothers me the most about this thread is the joy that Alma seems to take in the discrimination.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
What bothers me the most about this thread is the joy that Alma seems to take in the discrimination.
Well he has been oppressed as a black man so why can't he enjoy ********
idiggory wrote:
Quote:
3. Same Sex partners/spouses will NOT receive any benefits such as Basic Housing Allowance, Separation Pay, Medical, etc., however any child will.
4. No family housing will be provided for any same sex couples.
5. The military will not fund any same sex partner to relocate to any serviceman's location.
5. If a servicemen seeks help from a Chaplain, the Chaplain and only the Chaplain reserves the right to negatively address your sexuality.
4. No family housing will be provided for any same sex couples.
5. The military will not fund any same sex partner to relocate to any serviceman's location.
5. If a servicemen seeks help from a Chaplain, the Chaplain and only the Chaplain reserves the right to negatively address your sexuality.
All digs at Alma aside, these points really do **** me off.
I would have expected them to recognize marriages/unions from states. The fact that they refuse to recognize ANY same-sex relationship, even if they are legally married, is just crap.
"Okay, FINE, we won't kick them out for being gay. But we sure as hell are going to do everything in our power to keep them from having sex!"
And, sorry, religious official or not, a Chaplain is an employee of the gov't. They don't have the right to spew their bullsh*t the same way non-affiliated clergy do. Frankly, their only reason for existence is support and funeral rights--there's absolutely no reason they should be allowed to criticize gay troops. It isn't their place to do so.
You seem to have missed the fact that DADT is still in place. They can't give benefits without being in direct violation of DADT. So until it is officially changed, homosexual spouses won't be acknowledged.
As far as the Chaplain goes, couples are usually required to attend counseling with the Chaplain before getting married. Like it or not, homosexuals openly serving in the military potentially creates a very dangerous situation because of homophobes, and not just for the homophobes and homosexuals, but for anyone around them. That's probably the "negative" aspect they're reserving the right to address. Insulting someone for their beliefs is not tolerated in the military.
Almalieque wrote:
If they didn't require me to have a bachelor's degree to get in, then you might would have a point. Then again, you still would be ignorantly stupid. Only a small portion of the military is actually Combat Arms. Even as a knuckle dragger, it takes a smart person to understand a battle and be able to make quick life or death decisions while being fired upon that can result in not only your death but others.
I'm glad that you think the military is full of stupid of people. Crap, maybe I should go on leave and you let you "smart" people do all of the work.
Oh, wait, you pansy @$$ p!$$y probably to scared to leave the wire. Sit down, seal your lips and continue to be a mislead, ignorant follower of the media and society.
I'm glad that you think the military is full of stupid of people. Crap, maybe I should go on leave and you let you "smart" people do all of the work.
Oh, wait, you pansy @$$ p!$$y probably to scared to leave the wire. Sit down, seal your lips and continue to be a mislead, ignorant follower of the media and society.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
What bothers me the most about this thread is the joy that Alma seems to take in the discrimination.
This.
I feel like he started this thread just to +1 himself all over the place and argue once more about his favorite thing to argue about.
Tyrrant wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Oh, wait, you pansy @$$ p!$$y probably to scared to leave the wire. Sit down, seal your lips and continue to be a mislead, ignorant follower of the media and society.
Wow someone struck a nerve!
Not really. I haven't even been deployed yet either, have to arrive to my unit first. I'm just retaliating to his ignorance and stupidity.
Bijou wrote:
Stuff like this isn't helping your argument any.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
You're right. Smart people don't make typos. Silly me.
Idiggory wrote:
I would have expected them to recognize marriages/unions from states. The fact that they refuse to recognize ANY same-sex relationship, even if they are legally married, is just crap.
"Okay, FINE, we won't kick them out for being gay. But we sure as hell are going to do everything in our power to keep them from having sex!"
And, sorry, religious official or not, a Chaplain is an employee of the gov't. They don't have the right to spew their bullsh*t the same way non-affiliated clergy do. Frankly, their only reason for existence is support and funeral rights--there's absolutely no reason they should be allowed to criticize gay troops. It isn't their place to do so.
"Okay, FINE, we won't kick them out for being gay. But we sure as hell are going to do everything in our power to keep them from having sex!"
And, sorry, religious official or not, a Chaplain is an employee of the gov't. They don't have the right to spew their bullsh*t the same way non-affiliated clergy do. Frankly, their only reason for existence is support and funeral rights--there's absolutely no reason they should be allowed to criticize gay troops. It isn't their place to do so.
Apparently, some regulation (I forgot the name) only acknowledges marriage between man and a woman. I'm, sure when that changes, those all would change also. I personally believe they are in no rush to change it not because of homosexual couples but heterosexual PEOPLE. People are always looking for a way to get extra money and I would bet that there would be a very noticeable increase in sham marriages among heterosexuals to live off post with BAH and receive separation pay when deployed.
Think about it. You have two servicemen already living together, fresh out of high school, living in the barracks. Why not just get married, get a ton of extra money and live off post?
The religious official can't tell you anything unless you go the official. That's their job. If you don't want to hear religious answers to your problems, then you need to see one of the other many people available to you. The chaplain is there for the people who desires religious comfort. Again, that's their job. Besides, I have yet been to any formal military event when there wasn't a prayer involved, the Chaplain will receive the support.
Belkira wrote:
What bothers me the most about this thread is the joy that Alma seems to take in the discrimination.
I apologized in the last thread, but not this time. Your inference is off the mark. I purposely left out any personal comments on these statements to leave the first post objective. I didn't want to confuse what was being put out vs my opinion. You really need to work on not projecting emotions, ideals, etc. on other people.
Rao wrote:
Homosexuals create a dangerous situation...for homophobes
Edited, Jul 1st 2011 7:53am by Eske
Edited, Jul 1st 2011 7:55am by Eske
Nadenu wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
What bothers me the most about this thread is the joy that Alma seems to take in the discrimination.
This.
I feel like he started this thread just to +1 himself all over the place and argue once more about his favorite thing to argue about.
Wait, I thought it was religion?
Don't give me that BS, I'm not the one creating various different homosexual threads. I'm fairly positive that this is probably my first one, yet there's like 5 homosexual threads between the first pages of the OoT and the Asylum. This is the favorite topic of ZAM to debate.
Edit: I tried several times to talk about gun control in one of the other threads and no one wanted to discuss it. Instead they just ridiculed me while all at the same time complaining that it's MY fault that every thread results in talking about me.
Edited, Jul 1st 2011 1:55pm by Almalieque
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Almalieque wrote:
Idiggory wrote:
And, sorry, religious official or not, a Chaplain is an employee of the gov't. They don't have the right to spew their bullsh*t the same way non-affiliated clergy do. Frankly, their only reason for existence is support and funeral rights--there's absolutely no reason they should be allowed to criticize gay troops. It isn't their place to do so.
The religious official can't tell you anything unless you go the official. That's their job. If you don't want to hear religious answers to your problems, then you need to see one of the other many people available to you. The chaplain is there for the people who desires religious comfort. Again, that's their job. Besides, I have yet been to any formal military event when there wasn't a prayer involved, the Chaplain will receive the support.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Chaplain supposed to provide that support to members of ANY faith? Not all belief systems view homosexuality as wrong.
Princess ShadorVIII wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Idiggory wrote:
And, sorry, religious official or not, a Chaplain is an employee of the gov't. They don't have the right to spew their bullsh*t the same way non-affiliated clergy do. Frankly, their only reason for existence is support and funeral rights--there's absolutely no reason they should be allowed to criticize gay troops. It isn't their place to do so.
The religious official can't tell you anything unless you go the official. That's their job. If you don't want to hear religious answers to your problems, then you need to see one of the other many people available to you. The chaplain is there for the people who desires religious comfort. Again, that's their job. Besides, I have yet been to any formal military event when there wasn't a prayer involved, the Chaplain will receive the support.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Chaplain supposed to provide that support to members of ANY faith? Not all belief systems view homosexuality as wrong.
While that's true, from what I understand, each chaplain has their own specialty. I'm not sure how the rules work for that. It's weird. According to the regulations, if you tell the Chaplain that you have bombs in x,y,z and a terrorist attack will take place all at 1400 in 5 different major cities, s/he isn't supposed to say anything to anyone. Now, I exaggerated the scenario and I'm sure one might break that rule for that scenario, but that's the rule with the Chaplain, 100% confidentiality.
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