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#202 Nov 07 2007 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Caldone the Shady wrote:
Sounds to me like RUnaway is one of the 40 year old men with a 15 year old GF himself... Only reason I can possibly think for him defending his swiss cheese point of view so ademantly.


Nah, he's the 15 year old who wants his options open.
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#203 Nov 07 2007 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
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StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
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Maybe I was the only was in this thread right and everyone else with thinking with their 1950's morality in mind. Did you ever think of that?



When in doubt, majority rules. if 9/10 people in a room believe something is correct, the idiot spouting off arguments to the contrary is just that, an idiot.


No it doesn't. Just because a majority agrees on something does NOT make it right.

Arguments based on majority are a fallacy.
#204 Nov 07 2007 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Nah, he's the 15 year old who wants his options open.


Options or Pants?
#205 Nov 07 2007 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
Samira wrote:
StubsOnAsura the Shady wrote:
RunawayFive wrote:
Maybe I was the only was in this thread right and everyone else with thinking with their 1950's morality in mind. Did you ever think of that?



When in doubt, majority rules. if 9/10 people in a room believe something is correct, the idiot spouting off arguments to the contrary is just that, an idiot.


Please tell me you're joking.


Not at all. In order to make an argument against the majority, one must have compelling evidence to the contrary. To attempt to change the minds of the masses based on opinion alone is futile. Nowhere in this thread has he offered anything other than personal beliefs, and at no point have his personal beliefs made a lick of sense. He is being an idiot.
#206 Nov 07 2007 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
RunawayFive wrote:
Strawmen and Slippery Slopes aside, My point is the individual should be judged on weather or not they should be allowed privilege, not something as abstract as age.




You never told me how old you are. Was I close? 16? 17?


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Sounds to me like RUnaway is one of the 40 year old men


Remember what I said about age attacks being tired and pointless?

Yeah.
#207 Nov 07 2007 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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From http://www.wwnorton.com/college/phil/logic3/ch6/majority.htm

This argument has the form:

The majority (of people, nations, etc.) believe p; therefore, p is true.

In this case, the subjective state of large numbers of people, not just a single person, is being used as evidence for the truth of a proposition. But the argument is still subjective--and still fallacious. We can see why, once again, by identifying the implicit assumption: namely, that whatever the majority believes to be true is true. Majority opinion is obviously not infallible.


Honestly I swore someone would've remembered this in all the asylum arguments, Besides Samira, of course.


Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:26pm by RunawayFive
#208 Nov 07 2007 at 2:26 PM Rating: Excellent
RunawayFive wrote:
From http://www.wwnorton.com/college/phil/logic3/ch6/majority.htm

This argument has the form:

The majority (of people, nations, etc.) believe p; therefore, p is true.

In this case, the subjective state of large numbers of people, not just a single person, is being used as evidence for the truth of a proposition. But the argument is still subjective--and still fallacious. We can see why, once again, by identifying the implicit assumption: namely, that whatever the majority believes to be true is true. Majority opinion is obviously not infallible.


I'm learning this from a monotone lecturer off black and white slide in Uni right now on fairly comfortable seats after a night out/bad sleeping, and yet I still find it more interesting and thought-inducing than coming from this guy.
#209 Nov 07 2007 at 2:29 PM Rating: Default
RunawayFive wrote:
From http://www.wwnorton.com/college/phil/logic3/ch6/majority.htm

This argument has the form:

The majority (of people, nations, etc.) believe p; therefore, p is true.

In this case, the subjective state of large numbers of people, not just a single person, is being used as evidence for the truth of a proposition. But the argument is still subjective--and still fallacious. We can see why, once again, by identifying the implicit assumption: namely, that whatever the majority believes to be true is true. Majority opinion is obviously not infallible.


Ok, apparently you really are retarded. I thought for a minute that you were just playing, but it doesn't seem that way. Let's revisit what I said earlier:

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Your argument is stupid, regardless of its validity.


That still stands. My comment regarding the majority was meant to imply that it doesn't matter how right you think you are. At this point, you're arguing for no other reason than because you've been backed into a corner. Any sense that could previously have been made of your argument is lost now because with each passing post, you stray farther from the point and closer to insanity. You will not convince those arguing against you in this thread of any other truth, because your credibility is gone, and you have nothing more than personal beliefs backing your statement.
#210 Nov 07 2007 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, Just because many people believe it's true does not make it necessarily true.

For example in the middle ages it was a commonly accepted fact by the majority that the sun revolved around the earth. We know that to be false.

Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:33pm by RunawayFive
#211 Nov 07 2007 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
RunawayFive wrote:
Ok, Just because people believe it's true does not make it necessarily true.


Why are you not applying this logic to yourself?
#212 Nov 07 2007 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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you have nothing more than personal beliefs backing your statement.


Hmm, there's a point I was point to make here.
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Your argument is stupid.



Nope, not seeing it.

Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:32pm by RunawayFive
#213 Nov 07 2007 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
RunawayFive wrote:
Ok, Just because people believe it's true does not make it necessarily true.


Why are you not applying this logic to yourself?


Ahh I forgot the word "many."

Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:33pm by RunawayFive
#214 Nov 07 2007 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
RunawayFive wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
RunawayFive wrote:
Ok, Just because people believe it's true does not make it necessarily true.


Why are you not applying this logic to yourself?


Ahh I forgot the word "many."


The point still stands...
#215 Nov 07 2007 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
RunawayFive wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
RunawayFive wrote:
Ok, Just because people believe it's true does not make it necessarily true.


Why are you not applying this logic to yourself?


Ahh I forgot the word "many."


Ahh, so

"Just because many people believe it's true does not make it necessarily true."

somehow validates your opinion more than

"Just because people believe it's true does not make it necessarily true."

now, does it?

God if I was ever this annoying, OOT, I'm sorry. Smiley: looney
#216 Nov 07 2007 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Because I refuse to believe maturity and responsibility is determined by age.
#217 Nov 07 2007 at 2:37 PM Rating: Default
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RunawayFive wrote:
Because I refuse to believe maturity and responsibility is determined by age.

LOL


S'all I got for that one.
#218 Nov 07 2007 at 2:37 PM Rating: Excellent
I've been wondering, at what point does a being in the womb become a living thing? When is it too late to abort without it being murder?
#219 Nov 07 2007 at 2:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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RunawayFive wrote:
Because I refuse to believe maturity and responsibility is determined by age.


Okay. But are you arguing, as you seem to be, that they have absolutely no correlation at all?

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#220 Nov 07 2007 at 2:38 PM Rating: Default
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No you said that because many people agree with you, your argument is right.

It doesn't validate my opinion, but it doesn't validate yours.
#221 Nov 07 2007 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
I've been wondering, at what point does a being in the womb become a living thing? When is it too late to abort without it being murder?

No! Bad BT.

Bad.
#222 Nov 07 2007 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
RunawayFive wrote:
No you said that because many people agree with you, your argument is right.

It doesn't validate my opinion, but it doesn't validate yours.


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#223 Nov 07 2007 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
RunawayFive wrote:
Because I refuse to believe maturity and responsibility is determined by age.


It's not. And, as you've pointed out yourself, different people mature at different times. However, instead of using your asinine idea of periodic testing on your birthday every year to see what "rights" and "privledges" you "qualify" for, people much smarter than you said, "Ya know what? Most people have graduated from grade school by 18 and have mostly grown all they are going to (biologically), and they've gone through puberty so their emotions have somewhat stabilized, let's say that at 18 you're an adult."

It's much more efficient that way.

Edited, Nov 7th 2007 4:39pm by Belkira
#224 Nov 07 2007 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
RunawayFive wrote:
Because I refuse to believe maturity and responsibility is determined by age.


Okay. But are you arguing, as you seem to be, that they have absolutely no correlation at all?



No, I believe that we need a system with checks and balances rather than something that blanketly covers everything.
#225 Nov 07 2007 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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RunawayFive wrote:
Samira wrote:
RunawayFive wrote:
Because I refuse to believe maturity and responsibility is determined by age.


Okay. But are you arguing, as you seem to be, that they have absolutely no correlation at all?



No, I believe that we need a system with checks and balances rather than something that blanketly covers everything.


And you refuse to consider the idea that this system you propose is unworkable?

The machinery is already in place for a juvenile to be declared an emancipated minor, as I'm sure you know.
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#226 Nov 07 2007 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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The things that have been carried out in the name of efficiency.

Sure it might be more efficient, but at the cost of personal freedom.


Emancipation is good and all, but the scale is too narrow.

Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:47pm by RunawayFive
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