I wouldn't exactly consider a system of constant testing to be a sign of personal freedom, but maybe that's just me.
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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
RunawayFive wrote:
The things that have been carried out in the name of efficiency.
Sure it might be more efficient, but at the cost of personal freedom.
Sure it might be more efficient, but at the cost of personal freedom.
You keep going back to "personal freedom" when talking about all these oppressed minors. I can't believe that your system is that much better. With your system, unless the government deems you "capable," you might not be able to participate in an intimate relationship until you're 50 years old.
I wish the silly government would wise up and adopt all of Runaway's ideals.
Do you realize how many 16 year olds I'd be nailin'? I've got a halfy right now just thinking about it.
Do you really want guys like me with legal access to your little girl?
Do you realize how many 16 year olds I'd be nailin'? I've got a halfy right now just thinking about it.
Do you really want guys like me with legal access to your little girl?
There'd be a minimum age, let's go with 18 for the argument, the tests would let you receive these privileges earlier.
Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:51pm by RunawayFive
Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:51pm by RunawayFive
And I know this takes away from the ideals (yeah, yeah) but i'm trying to compromise for it to be workable.
Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:52pm by RunawayFive
Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:52pm by RunawayFive
RunawayFive wrote:
There'd be a minimum age, let's go with 18 for the argument, the tests would let you receive these privileges earlier.
Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:51pm by RunawayFive
Edited, Nov 7th 2007 2:51pm by RunawayFive
As Samira said, isn't Emancipation pretty much the answer to that? If a kid thinks he or she is really that much above the system and that mature, they can apply. Why should everyone go through the process if only a handful really qualify?
Don't forget to include the need to change the entire testing system every other day.
Otherwise I've got Kaain's Handy Dandy Fuck Test For Dummies (Read: 16 year olds) with me at all times.
Otherwise I've got Kaain's Handy Dandy Fuck Test For Dummies (Read: 16 year olds) with me at all times.
Yes, because systems that people are barely aware of will help a lot.
Let's face it, people often will lack the knowledge of how it works, and rather than force people to come to them, which is BOUND to make it smaller, making the tests periodically would actually reach more people, than the few desperate enough to take it.
Let's face it, people often will lack the knowledge of how it works, and rather than force people to come to them, which is BOUND to make it smaller, making the tests periodically would actually reach more people, than the few desperate enough to take it.
Prince Kaain wrote:
Don't forget to include the need to change the entire testing system every other day.
I said once or twice a YEAR, how difficult is that?
RunawayFive wrote:
Yes, because systems that people are barely aware of will help a lot.
Let's face it, people often will lack the knowledge of how it works, and rather than force people to come to them, which is BOUND to make it smaller, making the tests periodically would actually reach more people, than the few desperate enough to take it.
Let's face it, people often will lack the knowledge of how it works, and rather than force people to come to them, which is BOUND to make it smaller, making the tests periodically would actually reach more people, than the few desperate enough to take it.
If a teenager is really motivated and independent, they can find these things out with very little trouble.
If they're not, it's a moot point.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
RunawayFive wrote:
Prince Kaain wrote:
Don't forget to include the need to change the entire testing system every other day.
I said once or twice a YEAR, how difficult is that?
Once or twice a year? RunawayFive wrote:
Yes, because systems that people are barely aware of will help a lot.
Let's face it, people often will lack the knowledge of how it works, and rather than force people to come to them, which is BOUND to make it smaller, making the tests periodically would actually reach more people, than the few desperate enough to take it.
Let's face it, people often will lack the knowledge of how it works, and rather than force people to come to them, which is BOUND to make it smaller, making the tests periodically would actually reach more people, than the few desperate enough to take it.
If someone isn't mature and smart enough to look into emancipation, I think that's a pretty good indicator that they don't need to apply for it.
Edit: Samira and I think alike.
Edited, Nov 7th 2007 5:03pm by Belkira
You can have some of my Koolaid any time. 
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
You can have some of my Koolaid any time.
When we work in tandem, we are deadly.
Samira wrote:
You can have some of my Koolaid any time.
This thread just got interesting again.
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What if they don't even know it exists? Are they going to magically acquire this knowledge? If you know know it's possible are you going to research it?
This might be anecdotal, but the only person I knew who gained emancipation only managed to do so, because he had his own job and his father was stealing his money (and he was in rehab.)
I haven't met many people who managed to gain emancipation solely by being being mature and knowledge enough to do so.
More of a hot button thing rather than acknowledging their innate abilities.
This might be anecdotal, but the only person I knew who gained emancipation only managed to do so, because he had his own job and his father was stealing his money (and he was in rehab.)
I haven't met many people who managed to gain emancipation solely by being being mature and knowledge enough to do so.
More of a hot button thing rather than acknowledging their innate abilities.
It's called research, and anyone can do it.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I'm faced with a tough choice: I'm sure I could go into an extremely in-depth system outlining this on a workable government scale. I could spend hours doing this, and spend a better part of my time doing this.
Upon completion of this formal outline, I could post it on these boards, and have it picked apart by Samira bit-by-bit (Whom I could swear could make gravity a fleeting idea)
OR
I could have dinner, play Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, and continue this argument tomorrow.
I wonder which one I'll chose.
It's a tough Choice.
Upon completion of this formal outline, I could post it on these boards, and have it picked apart by Samira bit-by-bit (Whom I could swear could make gravity a fleeting idea)
OR
I could have dinner, play Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, and continue this argument tomorrow.
I wonder which one I'll chose.
It's a tough Choice.
RunawayFive wrote:
What if they don't even know it exists? Are they going to magically acquire this knowledge? If you know know it's possible are you going to research it?
If the kid feels they should be emancipated, then they'll look into it. I would've if I felt I needed to be independent.
Sounds like you're just sad that your idea won't work.
If you don't know it exists, how do you know to research it?
RunawayFive wrote:
If you don't know it exists, how do you know to research it?
How did your friend find out about it?
As a mature adult, I realize that if I'm in a bad situation, there must be a way out of it. So I would look into my options. And lo and behold, I would find out about emancipation.
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and have it picked apart by Samira bit-by-bit (Whom I could swear could make gravity a fleeting idea)
I'm flattered that you think so.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Let me just say that my first comments were about the normality of being attracted to 15 year olds... not the legality of having sex with them.
When I see a teenager, be it in the store, on the street, on the beach, etc. I don't have any bad feelings if I find them attractive. I don't run up to them and ask them their age before I determine whether or not they are attractive. If they happen to be 15 or 16 instead of 18, I don't consider myself a sick freak for it either.
Considering the physical appearance of a person varies widly, I don't think I should consider myself sick if the girl happens to be under 18.
A while ago me and 2 of my buddies were sitting on a patio at a hotel at night, when a young boy and a much taller woman (what we thought was a woman) in a bikini walked by, we thought she was his mother. From a distance without seeing her face she appeared to be a petite woman. Turns out it was the boys sister... probably no older than 14. We didn't feel bad about thinking she had a nice body before we knew her age. The features that make a woman attractive to a person when they are 18, are still attractive if the person happens to be 15 with the same features.
Now... I'm 24, not 40... but I'm sure I'll still find 5' to 5'6" females with B to C cups physically attractive when I am 40... and when I'm 80...
When I see a teenager, be it in the store, on the street, on the beach, etc. I don't have any bad feelings if I find them attractive. I don't run up to them and ask them their age before I determine whether or not they are attractive. If they happen to be 15 or 16 instead of 18, I don't consider myself a sick freak for it either.
Considering the physical appearance of a person varies widly, I don't think I should consider myself sick if the girl happens to be under 18.
A while ago me and 2 of my buddies were sitting on a patio at a hotel at night, when a young boy and a much taller woman (what we thought was a woman) in a bikini walked by, we thought she was his mother. From a distance without seeing her face she appeared to be a petite woman. Turns out it was the boys sister... probably no older than 14. We didn't feel bad about thinking she had a nice body before we knew her age. The features that make a woman attractive to a person when they are 18, are still attractive if the person happens to be 15 with the same features.
Now... I'm 24, not 40... but I'm sure I'll still find 5' to 5'6" females with B to C cups physically attractive when I am 40... and when I'm 80...
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
I skipped over about 3 pages here, so ignore me if this was already said.
I don't think anyone in his or her right mind would want to DATE a 15 year old. Especially anyone who's ever lived with one.
However, I believe there are a great many people in the world who would f*ck a 15 year old.
Therefore, in a sane & rational persons head, the dating would be more of a means to an end, rather than an end in itself.
Which then begs to be asked, "Well what if the 15 y.o. girl is mature enough to want it, yadda yadda yadda."
To which I must respond - pick any person over 20 in your life and look at their past relationships. Can you honestly say, they've been 100% sure about what they've wanted in a relationship since they hit puberty?
Most likely no, and pbbly still no to this day.
It's all trial and error...
I'll let you figure out what category the 30 year old taking a 15 year olds virginity would fall under, in the eyes of a 15 year old ten years down the road. (You know, when they regret that they could have had a meaningful relationship with someone their age, but instead wasted their youth fulfilling the empty fantasies of a drastically older man who was only interested in them for sex anyways.)
Protip: P*ssy feels the same, whether it's 15 or 45. Warm, moist, tight.
Why waste time picking a four-leaf clover, when you could just pick a three-leaf clover and pretend it was lucky?
I don't think anyone in his or her right mind would want to DATE a 15 year old. Especially anyone who's ever lived with one.
However, I believe there are a great many people in the world who would f*ck a 15 year old.
Therefore, in a sane & rational persons head, the dating would be more of a means to an end, rather than an end in itself.
Which then begs to be asked, "Well what if the 15 y.o. girl is mature enough to want it, yadda yadda yadda."
To which I must respond - pick any person over 20 in your life and look at their past relationships. Can you honestly say, they've been 100% sure about what they've wanted in a relationship since they hit puberty?
Most likely no, and pbbly still no to this day.
It's all trial and error...
I'll let you figure out what category the 30 year old taking a 15 year olds virginity would fall under, in the eyes of a 15 year old ten years down the road. (You know, when they regret that they could have had a meaningful relationship with someone their age, but instead wasted their youth fulfilling the empty fantasies of a drastically older man who was only interested in them for sex anyways.)
Protip: P*ssy feels the same, whether it's 15 or 45. Warm, moist, tight.
Why waste time picking a four-leaf clover, when you could just pick a three-leaf clover and pretend it was lucky?
TirithRR the Mundane wrote:
Considering the physical appearance of a person varies widly, I don't think I should consider myself sick if the girl happens to be under 18.
Finding them attractive isn't an issue to me (assuming its a well developed 18 yr old), acting on it sure as hell is though. I've seen tons of girls that have had me thinking "Where the hell were girls like that when I was 18?", but I sure as hell wasn't acting out on that thought. My first thought is holy hell she's hot, then my second and more powerful thought, is 18--ewwww.
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