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#1 Nov 06 2007 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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Rosie may be starting her own show...

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NEW YORK - Rosie O’Donnell, who famously clashed with a co-host on “The View,” is close to being her own boss again.

The acid-tongued talk-show host whose dispute with Elisabeth Hasselbeck hastened her departure from ABC’s daytime gabfest is reportedly in negotiations to host a prime-time talk show on MSNBC five days a week.

An NBC executive familiar with the discussions confirmed the two sides had talked, but cautioned that “we’re far from a done deal.” The executive spoke on condition of anonymity because the negotiations were ongoing.

The cable news channel owned by NBC Universal would not officially comment on the discussions. A spokesman for O’Donnell could not be reached for comment.

The reports, which first surfaced in the New York Times, suggested O’Donnell would take over the 9 p.m. slot currently occupied by “Live with Dan Abrams.” That would put her show in competition with CNN’s “Larry King Live” and Fox News Channel’s “Hannity & Colmes.”

Fox News dominates prime-time ratings for cable news channels, averaging 1.5 million viewers this year, according to Nielsen data. MSNBC is a distant third with 505,000, behind CNN’s 755,000.

O’Donnell hosted her own daytime talk show from 1996 to 2002. She also produced a Broadway musical and founded a short-lived, namesake magazine before her tempestuous run on “The View.” Although she was there for less than a year before leaving in May, her boisterous, opinionated style was credited with boosting the show’s ratings.

Shortly before joining the multi-host show created by Barbara Walters, O’Donnell had blogged that “it will be hard 4 me 2 not b the boss.” Now she’s set to reclaim center stage as her own.


She apperently didn't get the point from The View, but she is trying again to get back into the TV world, and speculation is, since she is doing it so late at night, it will be a "serious" talk show. That would definetly be more of a comedy type, as she is hilarious when she tries (and fails) to be serious.

A couple names for it mentioned on the radio were "The Lez Says" and "From the Carpet".






#2 Nov 06 2007 at 3:42 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm willing to pay NBC $5 a month to keep Rosie off the air. I'm sure there are enough other people willing to do the same they can just leave that hour blank and still make more money then Ms. O'Donnell would bring in.
#3 Nov 06 2007 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
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I'm willing to pay NBC $5 a month to keep Rosie off the air. I'm sure there are enough other people willing to do the same they can just leave that hour blank and still make more money then Ms. O'Donnell would bring in.


Hell, show an hour of commercials, that would at least have a point to it.
#4 Nov 06 2007 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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“it will be hard 4 me 2 not b the boss.”


She's gonna kick Larry's *** with gems like that.
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#5 Nov 06 2007 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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I'd be willing to not watch NBC during the times Rosie is on TV.
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#6 Nov 06 2007 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Say what you will, but her being on The View raised viewership. /shrug
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#7 Nov 06 2007 at 3:55 PM Rating: Default
It always puzzled me as to why talk shows got such great ratings on television, but just the opposite on the radio.
#8 Nov 06 2007 at 3:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lord Rimesume wrote:
It always puzzled me as to why talk shows got such great ratings on television, but just the opposite on the radio.


Why would that puzzle you? It's a totally different audience.
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Samira wrote:
Dread Lord Rimesume wrote:
It always puzzled me as to why talk shows got such great ratings on television, but just the opposite on the radio.


Why would that puzzle you? It's a totally different audience.


Exactly.

TV is people who are too fat to get up and change the channel and can't find which roll the remote is hidden in and are stuck watching it.

Radio is people who are active and can actually walk by and change the station.
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#10 Nov 06 2007 at 4:14 PM Rating: Default
Samira wrote:
Dread Lord Rimesume wrote:
It always puzzled me as to why talk shows got such great ratings on television, but just the opposite on the radio.


Why would that puzzle you? It's a totally different audience.


To me, a talk show is more suited for radio, because of the design of television. Allow me to explain.


I watch television to watch something that would ultimately be too difficult or unrealistic to explain on radio. However, talk shows, while having a great range of different emotions, doesn't require a visual. I don't need to *see* Dr. Drew talk on his show 'Love Line' to get the crux of what he is talking about.
#11 Nov 06 2007 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd be willing to not watch NBC during the times Rosie is on TV.


So your the ******* watching NBC!! Shame, Shame on you!!!

My station(or stations, I operate 5 of them. NBC isn't one of them) just got last weeks ratings in for Network Television. And NBC only got 1 slot in the top 20, and it was Sunday Night Football.

LOL, NBC sucks. Let em have Rosie, when ppl don't watch her they'll yank her show after a few episodes, especially during sweeps. And yes she did raise "The Views" ratings, but I seriously doubt she can stand on her own.

You want a real question?

Who in the hell keeps watching all the CSI's??? Those damn shows(all of em) keep staying in the top 20 week after week. And all those shows are stupid beyond compare. I feel dumber each and every week, just having to be the one who airs the damned shows for my state. As soon as the slate pops up saying CSI: whatever, I feel my IQ drop 1 point. >.>

But hey, it's better than "The Bachelor". Every year I have to air that dumbass show, and every year I want to physically assault all the Bachelors on that show. For being complete jackasses with sayings like "I'm here to find my future wife, and to fall in love..." >.>. But at least it doesn't hit the top 20 in ratings often.

95%+ of TV blows, and Rosie is no exception. She'll fade away, without question she will.
#12 Nov 06 2007 at 4:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd be willing to not watch NBC during the times Rosie is on TV.



95%+ of TV blows, and Rosie is no exception. She'll fade away, without question she will.



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#13 Nov 06 2007 at 4:32 PM Rating: Default
1996 to 2002

She had her own show between those years. To be on television for 7 full years (counting 1996) is fairly impressive considering how rapidly television changes, due to public demand and/or interest.


95%+ of TV blows, and Rosie is no exception. She'll fade away, without question she will.


I don't watch television at all (as a matter of fact, I don't even own a television) and I know this. You might not like the show, but apparently quite a few other people do, or else she wouldn't have been on television as long as she has.
#14 Nov 06 2007 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lord Rimesume wrote:
It always puzzled me as to why talk shows got such great ratings on television, but just the opposite on the radio.


Depends on which.

Opie and Anthony, Howard stern and Imus got great ratings and they are a talk show on the radio. Then again they are not your everyday talk show.
#15 Nov 06 2007 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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She had her own show between those years. To be on television for 7 full years (counting 1996) is fairly impressive considering how rapidly television changes, due to public demand and/or interest.


The problem with that, is that even though she had that show for so long. She only needed mediocre numbers to stay on air during daytime television. As the Networks focus more on Primetime, then any other part of the day. Which is why you will never see a Talk Show in the Primetime slot.

You want a very good indicator of how popular a show is???

Watch any show throughout the day, the more PSA's and promos(especially when your local channel gets their Local Positions in that show) and also watch what Commercials play. If the commercials run numerous times in the day, or are those stupid commercials(i.e. the Male Enhancement ones) than the show does not do good numbers in your area. And the more PSA's and Promos that play are a heavy indicator that the show does low numbers in your area. As your local stations need to prove to the companies buying those spots, that their commercials will be seen by a huge demographic. And if they can't prove it then you will see more and more heavily rotated commercials(they buy bundle packages cheap), and you will see more and more PSA's and Promos.

But a very good point I might add, is that the Late Night Shows like Letterman and Kimmel do not do the numbers Primetime does. And they only need to get mediocre numbers to stay on air, as those Networks need something to fill those timeslots. As Rosie's show did during those years. And is why she no longer has that show. Because if she had been pulling huge numbers, she wouldn't have quit doing the show. She would've been given a huge paycheck, or someone would've took over her show after she left.

Networks are only concerned with Primetime making huge numbers. Daytime and Late Night only need mediocre numbers, for many reasons.

Edit: If a network cannot sell a show to advertisers they will pull the show. Because it means that they cannot prove that their commercials will be seen by a huge demographic.

And I'm talking about the main networks (ABC, NBC, Fox, CW, CBS) here. As Cable TV and Satellite TV gets actual money from subscribers, so they have more leway(sp?) with their shows. These networks I speak of have to work harder for their money, which is why you see so many new shows every year on them.

Edited, Nov 6th 2007 6:14pm by Nuhnisgodly
#16 Nov 06 2007 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Ratings went up so much when she was on the View, I guess we have to get used to her. I think she is petty but damnit, she may be the only honest woman on television.

And I disagree with the above poster who doesn't explain why Oprah is the only black billionaire in the US and she's self-made, mostly from her daytime talk show.

Edited, Nov 6th 2007 8:07pm by Annabella
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#17 Nov 06 2007 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Depends on which.

Opie and Anthony, Howard stern and Imus got great ratings and they are a talk show on the radio. Then again they are not your everyday talk show.


That would be like a local show- The BJ Shae Morning Experience

They are not your normal show, but for 4 hours it is just them, but they fill the time well. The other talk shows on that station have music wound into them because apperently, nobody pays them as much attention >.<
#18 Nov 06 2007 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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And I disagree with the above poster who doesn't explain why Oprah is the only black billionaire in the US and she's self-made, mostly from her daytime talk show.


Oprah is the exception. She has done very well for herself. But she slowly built her show up. Look her up and see just how long she has been doing this. And besides, she is not exclusive to just one network. Her show runs on a 3 day delay(Generally), and is not a same day show like "The View" is. And she is able to distribute her show to any station that wants her(some restrictions on that one), which is why she has made her show so damn huge. "The View" cannot do such, since "The View" is ABC specific. Oprah is not restricted to the same constrants as "The View", as she can network herself globally to any station.


And her show isn't restricted to the same time slot everyday like "The View" is. Whatever local stations has the rights to air her show, can play with when they air her show during the day, to maximize ratings.

You can't really compare Oprah to Rosie or "The View". Because if the OP is correct than Rosie will be held to the same restrictions as "The View".

But my statement that Daytime TV and Late Night TV aren't held to high standards like Primetime, is completely correct. Oprah just knows how to be a businesswoman, she is the exception to it all.

Edited, Nov 6th 2007 6:40pm by Nuhnisgodly
#19 Nov 06 2007 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sure but I'm also missing your point. MSNBC is pretty much the same numbers as day time television, even in primetime, so I think that they can capture enough viewers to have her show be successful.
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#20 Nov 06 2007 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
I actually like Rosie O'Donnell. I'd be willing to watch the show.
#21REDACTED, Posted: Nov 06 2007 at 5:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I can't see why, but she might want to nerf cervixs also if she is in to that strap on stuff
#22 Nov 06 2007 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
Well Annabella, MSNBC isn't in the same setting as Oprah's show or daytime TV. MSNBC is cable and satellite, they have more leway(sp?) with what they can air. They don't need huge numbers to keep their shows on air, at any part of the day. But they will pull a show if it fails to pull numbers regardless. It's far more competitive outside of Cable and Satellite, when you need advertisers money to keep you afloat. MSNBC relies mainly on the money NBC pulls in from all its holdings, like Universal for instance. If MSNBC does low enough numbers for a few years, NBC will yank that network itself eventually.

So basically MSNBC doesn't have to worry about its numbers really, until it becomes a complete drain on NBC, then it will have to worry about them.

I don't know the overall numbers of MSNBC, as I am in the affiliate networks demo. And MSNBC's numbers do not show up on the overall ratings every week.

But my point is this: Oprah's show isn't timeslot/network specific, which means she can pull in huge numbers. Due to each station in the USA being free to air her show at any time during the day(except during network timeslots). Rosies show(if the OP is correct) will not be up for syndication(unless NBC decides to syndicate her show), and constrained to specific timeslots and aired exclusively on a certian network. Exactly like "The View" is.

And due to the fact that Oprah slowly built up her fan/viewer base over time, and has a huge viewer base. She is able to pull in huge numbers. Rosie on the otherhand has only a fraction of Oprah's fan/viewer base, due in most part to her dumb remarks, she is famous for. In which case she will have to work harder, much harder than Oprah has to get a bigger fan/viewer base. Which in turn puts her show in jeopardy from the moment it goes on air.

Other examples of how daytime talk shows don't need to pull in huge numbers:

Ellen
Tyra
Jerry Springer
Maury
Montel
and so on.....

...to stay on air. As mediocre numbers do just fine. And the major networks center themselves around Primetime. As do all your local stations. It's only when shows due low numbers that they start getting yanked from stations/networks. Anyone remember "The Jane Pauley show"? Anyone still see "Dr. Keith Ablow" on your local station? Most likely not, since those shows did such low numbers that they got yanked from stations. My station had "Ellen" for a whole 2 months before it got yanked.

Rosie can only hope for mediocre numbers, and even so being on the network she will be on, she will only need mediocre numbers to stay on air. I seriously doubt she will even touch the threshold of Oprah, and I don't think she'll be heard from that much, if at all.
#23 Nov 06 2007 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rosie O'Donnell is another comedian/performer who was great when she stuck to doing that but became increasingly obnoxious as she tried to get into discussing "issues".

It's not even her positions either. It's that she has the classic "uninformed celebrity" position. She'd basically take whatever off the wall thing she'd heard from some fringe source and repeat it as though it was fact. It's one thing to draw positions and opinions based on perhaps a different view of similar events. It's quite another thing to simply repeat the most "out there" thing you can find without even a little bit of brain engagement beforehand.

She got ratings on The View because it was pretty much a dead show anyway. She brought controversy to a show that otherwise no one was interested in. She was dumped because she was saying things so "out there" that the sponsors didn't want to be associated with her anymore. IMO, she's now boxed herself in with regards to any kind of show she's going to be doing. The fan expectation will be more of the same sort of antics she displayed on The View. The problem is that the only way she's going to get this show is if she's basically muzzled in terms of content (probably necessary to get advertising), meaning the primary audience wont get what they want. Meaning a pretty much doomed-from-the-start show.
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#24 Nov 06 2007 at 7:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm willing to pay NBC $5 a month to keep Rosie off the air. I'm sure there are enough other people willing to do the same they can just leave that hour blank and still make more money then Ms. O'Donnell would bring in.
Bah, let her have her show, let everyone ignore it, and let's hope she fades away.
#25 Nov 06 2007 at 9:57 PM Rating: Default
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It's not even her positions either.

She'd basically take whatever off the wall thing she'd heard from some fringe source and repeat it as though it was fact.

It's quite another thing to simply repeat the most "out there" thing you can find without even a little bit of brain engagement beforehand.



That sounds awfully a lot alike an Asylumite that likes to make long posts that I know.


Edited, Nov 6th 2007 10:01pm by Rimesume
#26 Nov 06 2007 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem is that the only way she's going to get this show is if she's basically muzzled in terms of content (probably necessary to get advertising), meaning the primary audience wont get what they want. Meaning a pretty much doomed-from-the-start show.


Yeah, but she'll have more freedom with those comments on Cable/Satellite than she did on "The View". Which will most likely be the reason she takes the job.
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