I have a question that is somewhat unrelated to the OP.
You always hear about autistic children, but you rarely hear about autistic adults. Why is that? Do they not have as much of a problem once they reach a certain age?
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I have a question that is somewhat unrelated to the OP.
You always hear about autistic children, but you rarely hear about autistic adults. Why is that? Do they not have as much of a problem once they reach a certain age?
You always hear about autistic children, but you rarely hear about autistic adults. Why is that? Do they not have as much of a problem once they reach a certain age?
Natural selection.
MYteddy wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I have a question that is somewhat unrelated to the OP.
You always hear about autistic children, but you rarely hear about autistic adults. Why is that? Do they not have as much of a problem once they reach a certain age?
You always hear about autistic children, but you rarely hear about autistic adults. Why is that? Do they not have as much of a problem once they reach a certain age?
Natural selection.
Nice try, but it wasn't even a little funny.
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
She probably just doesn't know how inadequate online communication can be for learning social skills.
That just strikes me as difficult to believe, unless she's just totally uneducated as to what the actual interaction would be like. I mean, the woman has an autistic child, so I assume she gets what that's all about, or has at least tried to educate herself. Even so, I agree that it would have to be an awfully compelling idea to any frustrated parent who just wants stop themself from drowning the kid.
I actually would have to agree with Jophiel on this one. I think lots of parents have a total lack of knowledge about the internet and interactions from it. Sure, they were able to find an autism forum, but that doesn't mean they have any clue. (Especially when it's the first link on google when you type in "autism pdd".)
Many many commented back that they thought this was a good idea. It was only after I said my views that anyone even thought about it in a negative way.
Also, Borkachev, while I'm sure they've tried a lot of methods, I don't think this would be a last ditch effort. I also would NEVER assume that a child with autism will never have a chance at social interaction. I think there are most definitely many alternatives you would try. Even something as simple as taking the child to an arcade where he is around other kids would be more beneficial than letting them sit in the house with their online game play. Finding something that ties their interest into REAL interaction, rather than using their interest as the interaction.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
MYteddy wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I have a question that is somewhat unrelated to the OP.
You always hear about autistic children, but you rarely hear about autistic adults. Why is that? Do they not have as much of a problem once they reach a certain age?
You always hear about autistic children, but you rarely hear about autistic adults. Why is that? Do they not have as much of a problem once they reach a certain age?
Natural selection.
Nice try, but it wasn't even a little funny.
Generally speaking, there is either an age that their problems aren't as observable because of treatment or them naturally learning that they need to conform. OR the alternative no one thinks about, that the adults are institutionalized. It's a sad but very real reality. Basically, if your child cant learn social norms, then their choices are living with their parents for the rest of their lives or going to an institution (or an institution run "home").
Nagah wrote:
Generally speaking, there is either an age that their problems aren't as observable because of treatment or them naturally learning that they need to conform. OR the alternative no one thinks about, that the adults are institutionalized. It's a sad but very real reality. Basically, if your child cant learn social norms, then their choices are living with their parents for the rest of their lives or going to an institution (or an institution run "home").
Thanks, Nagah.
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I have a question that is somewhat unrelated to the OP.
You always hear about autistic children, but you rarely hear about autistic adults. Why is that? Do they not have as much of a problem once they reach a certain age?
You always hear about autistic children, but you rarely hear about autistic adults. Why is that? Do they not have as much of a problem once they reach a certain age?
Autistic Children usually have the public saying "Oh that poor kid" and their parents pushing it for all it's worth.
Autistic Adults are not quite as out in the open obvious as Children, and usually keep to themselves (instead oif their Mom pushing them out saying "Oh Woe is Me"), living in an Assisted Living shelter. However, they sometimes make quite a bit of dough, so the parents keep them around to leech off of.
One of the smartest programmers here is Autistic, you could tell him, "Hey, I need a script to re-arange the world and add a few sprinkles", he would have it done for you the next day, up and running, with no mistakes. Pretty cool really.
Caldone the Shady wrote:
One of the smartest programmers here is Autistic, you could tell him, "Hey, I need a script to re-arange the world and add a few sprinkles", he would have it done for you the next day, up and running, with no mistakes. Pretty cool really.
Oh yea? Let's see him wipe his own *** without locking the door to the bathroom 3 times.
Kaelesh wrote:
Caldone the Shady wrote:
One of the smartest programmers here is Autistic, you could tell him, "Hey, I need a script to re-arange the world and add a few sprinkles", he would have it done for you the next day, up and running, with no mistakes. Pretty cool really.
Oh yea? Let's see him wipe his own *** without locking the door to the bathroom 3 times.
I think you might have autism confused with OCD?
Or is OCD a facet of autism?
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:
Caldone the Shady wrote:
One of the smartest programmers here is Autistic, you could tell him, "Hey, I need a script to re-arange the world and add a few sprinkles", he would have it done for you the next day, up and running, with no mistakes. Pretty cool really.
Oh yea? Let's see him wipe his own *** without locking the door to the bathroom 3 times.
I think you might have autism confused with OCD?
Or is OCD a facet of autism?
Autism does also have stems in anxiety disorders including OCD, but does not necessarily mean that an autistic person will have anxiety issues. There are lots of comorbid diagnoses with autism.
But I find it really saddening just how many stereotypes are being perpetuated here. Rather sad.. I'm glad you're asking questions though, Belkira :)..
Edit: Because sometimes I auto type without making sure my words are correct..
Edited, Nov 1st 2007 4:30pm by Nagah
Nagah wrote:
Autism does also have stems in anxiety disorders including OCD, but does not necessarily mean that an autistic person will have anxiety issues. There are lots of comorbid diagnoses with autism.
But I find it really saddening just how many stereotypes are being perpetuated here. Rather sad.. I'm glad you're asking questions though, Belkira :)..
But I find it really saddening just how many stereotypes are being perpetuated here. Rather sad.. I'm glad you're asking questions though, Belkira :)..
I never knew that.
Sadly, all I knew about autism is that a child can be exceptionally bright but uncommunicative. I don't understand the ins and outs of what makes autism "bad," per se. I mean, I realize it's not "good" to have an autistic child, as you want them to socialize, but I don't understand what can result from being autistic. How badly does it affect the individuals ability to function as an adult?
I assume it ranges from "not at all" to being considered an introvert.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Sadly, all I knew about autism is that a child can be exceptionally bright but uncommunicative. I don't understand the ins and outs of what makes autism "bad," per se. I mean, I realize it's not "good" to have an autistic child, as you want them to socialize, but I don't understand what can result from being autistic. How badly does it affect the individuals ability to function as an adult?
I assume it ranges from "not at all" to being considered an introvert.
I assume it ranges from "not at all" to being considered an introvert.
I would never call an autistic person introverted. Many want the outside interaction. Some are unable to communicate so cannot form bonds. Others come off "odd" and makes it to where people don't understand them enough to stick around. Others are real sticklers to the rules they've learned and can become overly upset if you step outside of those rules.
But I'm sure you've known an autistic person in your life time and didn't realize it. Was there a very quirky kid in high school that excelled in math or science, but have very few friends? He was able to do everything that everyone else was, but just didn't have the interaction? He was probably autistic. (I use "he" because autism is more predominate in males than females.)
The fact is, the other reason you don't hear about autistic adults is because unless they were really low functioning as a child, they probably never got a diagnosis. Many people just let them keep going and they ended up developing into regular adults who just seem "off" or "odd" to the outside population. Okay.. Sorry, I went a little longer there than I intended...
There's a huge range of severity, from basically not interacting with others at all to very high functioning.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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Sadly, all I knew about autism is that a child can be exceptionally bright but uncommunicative. I don't understand the ins and outs of what makes autism "bad," per se. I mean, I realize it's not "good" to have an autistic child, as you want them to socialize, but I don't understand what can result from being autistic. How badly does it affect the individuals ability to function as an adult?
Heh,
He is the smartest guys I know, but if you ever try to talk to him, don't expect to get alot back, however, if he comes and talks to you, and you start on a subject he is fond of, god, you won't ever get him to stop talking.
He is a fan of Baseball, so everytime we get a newbie in, I tell him "Thsi guy likes Baseball too"
The Newbies want to kill be after about an hour of his talking.
He goes into EVERYTHING breaking it down into geometry and physics >.<
Samira wrote:
There's a huge range of severity, from basically Stubs to Elderon.
Interesting.
Nagah wrote:
I would never call an autistic person introverted. Many want the outside interaction. Some are unable to communicate so cannot form bonds. Others come off "odd" and makes it to where people don't understand them enough to stick around. Others are real sticklers to the rules they've learned and can become overly upset if you step outside of those rules.
But I'm sure you've known an autistic person in your life time and didn't realize it. Was there a very quirky kid in high school that excelled in math or science, but have very few friends? He was able to do everything that everyone else was, but just didn't have the interaction? He was probably autistic. (I use "he" because autism is more predominate in males than females.)
But I'm sure you've known an autistic person in your life time and didn't realize it. Was there a very quirky kid in high school that excelled in math or science, but have very few friends? He was able to do everything that everyone else was, but just didn't have the interaction? He was probably autistic. (I use "he" because autism is more predominate in males than females.)
That's why I said "considered" an introvert. People don't realize they are autistic so they assume.
Nagah wrote:
The fact is, the other reason you don't hear about autistic adults is because unless they were really low functioning as a child, they probably never got a diagnosis. Many people just let them keep going and they ended up developing into regular adults who just seem "off" or "odd" to the outside population. Okay.. Sorry, I went a little longer there than I intended...
I need to learn more about it, I find it fascinating and I feel bad for these kids who just want to be "normal" and can't.
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I need to learn more about it,
Well, the first step is buying a Wii.
Nagah, have you read Elizabeth Moon's The Speed of Dark?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
Nagah, have you read Elizabeth Moon's The Speed of Dark?
No.. Good read?
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I need to learn more about it,
Well, the first step is buying a Wii.
Check!!
Nagah wrote:
Samira wrote:
Nagah, have you read Elizabeth Moon's The Speed of Dark?
No.. Good read?
I thought so. It's set in the near future, when the cause of autism has been found and can be treated perinatally, so there's just the last generation of autistics left.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
I don't know much about autism, but I'd think it would entirely depend on the exact level in this kid. But just guessing I don't see the harm in exposing him to varied treatments at the same time. I'd think the positives would far outweight the negatives. Identity growth and basic interaction would seem to trump stasis and dozens of continuous failed treatments. If that's the case.
My brother's autistic (high functioning, goes to college). He's extremely shy in real life. He talks very quietly, and withdraws into himself when he's outside or among strangers.
On the Internet, however, he's very outgoing. He'll start conversations, and is not shy about voicing his opinion. On the Internet he doesn't have to look anyone in the eyes, and that makes all the difference. He'd practically be a hermit if not for our cable modem.
The interesting thing is that over the years, he seems to be growing more confident about social situations. A few years ago, he would have been aghast at the idea of calling someone on the phone; now he barely hesitates in dialing the number (although he sometimes needs help in figuring out what to say). I can't help but feel that his Internet interactions have something to do with this.
On the Internet, however, he's very outgoing. He'll start conversations, and is not shy about voicing his opinion. On the Internet he doesn't have to look anyone in the eyes, and that makes all the difference. He'd practically be a hermit if not for our cable modem.
The interesting thing is that over the years, he seems to be growing more confident about social situations. A few years ago, he would have been aghast at the idea of calling someone on the phone; now he barely hesitates in dialing the number (although he sometimes needs help in figuring out what to say). I can't help but feel that his Internet interactions have something to do with this.
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