Black people are dumb pt. 2Follow

Not to be snarky or anything, but Harvard has kind of a reputation for having profs that pass out 'A's like they're going out of style.

You were too being snarky...I could sense it.

Incidentally, MrsGemini's school had, by her reports, a 25% graduation rate. At that point, her school would have probably better served as a shoe factory.

My high school had a graduation rate in the high 90's. I'm sure it wasn't 100% but, out of several hundred students, I can think of one who didn't get a cap and gown. Now, I'm fairly sure that we were not exceptionally more motivated or future-minded than the kids at MrsG's highschool. The school is well rated so we weren't illiterates being shown the door with a certificate. It might even be that increasing the quality of a district's education is a better way to graduate people than telling them to stay in their room every night to make up for the school's lackings.

Edited, Oct 24th 2007 12:51pm by Jophiel

And is that your only concern for your child's education? That they get their four years done and stamped?

No, but your question wasn't very realistic. I was just saying that IF all I cared about was having my child get the piece of paper and not be concerned with the LEVEL of education they received, then the academic probation school is the better choice.

However, people are realistically stuck with one school, usually. So, if your only choice is a crappy school, that sucks, but it doesn't stop you from rising out of poverty. That's my whole point. I'm not saying the schools are fine and that the only reason why children in this country don't get a good education is because they don't study hard enough.

Yes, schools should get better. I'm not saying they shouldn't. But, a poor black person shouldn't focus their time on feeling sorry for themselves or wishing they got a better break in life. You have to make due with what you've got.

So, I'll leave with this and maybe people will understand where I'm coming from. I'm not saying the system's perfect, but with things the way they are now, there's little reason for a person in America to be unable to raise themselves out of poverty.

Yes, it will take hard work and sacrifice, but it can be done. It shouldn't be as hard as it is sometimes, but that's the way it is. Instead of ******** and whining about how life/the system/white people bring you down, you should focus on doing WHATEVER IT TAKES to make it.

So, that's why I say you're lazy if you're poor. It's not fair that you have to work harder than someone else, but that opportunity to rise up out of poverty IS THERE if you're willing to go take it.

It's like watching a kitty with a little mouse.

I bet Sora has an appropriate cat meme to insert here.

I am ashamed to say I laughed at that..

I'd argue that this is not true anyway. Better schools are better because they motivate and assist kids to learn.

Bad schools teach kids that you can slide through life without much effort.

Bad schools also don't help kids as easily if anything goes wrong in their life, like having cognitive deficits, family problems, mental health issues or anything else that can negatively impact a kid and derail him if he doesn't have many social supports.

Between the diploma or the education? I'd certainly say that someone educated "well" from a good high school has a definate career advantage over someone who slid through a poor school and was only given a diploma to free up a desk. They'll also have a definate academic advantage when they enter community college or trade school.

While the paper diploma may be the same, the differences behind the diploma are extremely important.

Yea Joph, I just meant the piece of paper, not the level of education. Of course someone from a better school is going to receive a better education.

Also, it seems some of you aren't really seeing what I'm trying to say.

Belrika, yes I'm aware that the job someone will receive with just a high school diploma isn't as good as someone with a college education. However, I'm not saying that it'll be easy.

But refer to my last post to see what it can accomplish. It's a stepping stone. That first crappy job will lead to a slightly less crappy job if you show that you're a good worker, show up every day, etc. That slightly less crappy job will lead to a decent job, then a good job. I can tell you from experience that having a reputation as a good worker and having good job references is more important to a potential employer than if their high school meets NCLB standards.

I'm not saying that poor people have it easy; quite the opposite. But, if your goal is to get out of poverty, it can be done by almost anyone. It doesn't take (like someone else said) luck, or a special person; just a person willing to do what it takes to succeed.

So that's why I said poor people are lazy and/or just made crappy life choices (NOT ALL OF THEM OBVIOUSLY). You CAN do it, even if life has stacked some of the cards aagainst you. That's my only point. If you're healthy, 30 years old and dirt poor in this country, you have yourself to blame. Sure, the system may not have been perfect for them, but the chance to work hard and make the right choices is there, you just have to do it.

The system isn't perfect, but it's what we have to work with. Poor people shouldn't just sit on their asses and wish they had it better; you have to go out there and change your life, no one else is doing it for you.

Now, this is where I think people are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying the system doesn't need changes; of course it does. But as long as the system is the way it is, you have to adjust. If you're poor, it's not only because the system victimized you.

Edited, Oct 24th 2007 2:59pm by DaimenKain