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#77 Oct 19 2007 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
His Excellency SirTanta wrote:
Well right before I posted this, I saw this post and Was utterly shocked so here I go.


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The sad thing is, I don't really ever see black people changing. Why get off welfare when it pays more than a minimum wage job and you don't even have to do any actual work to get it.

Black people are in such bad economic shape not because white people don't give them jobs or they face discrimination. They're in such bad economic shape because a majority (over 50%) of black households are single parent households.

These black women get pregnant at 14 with some guy they hook up with and he splits. She drops out of high school, gets on welfare and then she can't raise her bad *** kids right.

Since there's no money and the mother isn't a very good example, the kid doesn't work hard in school and sees that the only "successful" people in his neighborhood are criminals. In most black neighborhoods, the person with the fanciest car, or the most bling is the one everyone looks up to, not the "sucker" making 7.00 hr at McDonald's and who studies every night so he can get into college.

Black people probably aren't INHERENTLY dumber, but the fact remains that they have really messed up priorities. Without good role models, these kids just think that gangbanging is their only way out.

What black people need to do is stop having so many kids in their teens and actually finish high school first so their kids aren't starting life off right behind the eight-ball.

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The sad thing is, I don't really ever see black people changing. Why get off welfare when it pays more than a minimum wage job and you don't even have to do any actual work to get it.

Black people are in such bad economic shape not because white people don't give them jobs or they face discrimination. They're in such bad economic shape because a majority (over 50%) of black households are single parent households.


Ok This sh*t pisses me off, I am Black. I spent six years active duty and now I just got out, going to college full time. Now, most black people around the US yes, had bad times, let me give you an example... this link right here, http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/11/youth.violence/index.html
in my opinion this has to do with where they live and people giving up AROUND them. No one has a perfect life. NO ONE.

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These black women get pregnant at 14 with some guy they hook up with and he splits. She drops out of high school, gets on welfare and then she can't raise her bad *** kids right.

Since there's no money and the mother isn't a very good example, the kid doesn't work hard in school and sees that the only "successful" people in his neighborhood are criminals. In most black neighborhoods, the person with the fanciest car, or the most bling is the one everyone looks up to, not the "sucker" making 7.00 hr at McDonald's and who studies every night so he can get into college.


This is true, I will not deny this, my sister got prego at 16 years old... and prego again at 18, 20 and 24.... By 4 different guys! Now, of course things "could have" worked out its none of my busness, but I can tell you something that something she is not doing. SHE IS NOT ON WELFARE AND NEVER WAS. She has lived in some bad places and bounced around alot, but she is starting to get on her feet, gotta love that sterotype. She is going to school WHILE having to take care of these kids (thankfully all of the fathers are paying attention to all of thier kids now...) She is almost done with her Bachlor's btw.

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Black people probably aren't INHERENTLY dumber, but the fact remains that they have really messed up priorities. Without good role models, these kids just think that gangbanging is their only way out.

What black people need to do is stop having so many kids in their teens and actually finish high school first so their kids aren't starting life off right behind the eight-ball.


WHAT IN THIS BLUE HELL IS THIS? What about Martin Luther King JR.? Rosa Parks? Barack Obama? Avery Brooks(my role model). And I know there is MANY more. It is a shame that alot of the youth today, not JUST blacks are falling into the gangbanger role. How can you say Black people have messed priorites! I must be really messed up for getting out of the Navy and actually making a life for myself. You can tell that to my BLACK mentally challenged brother as well. Man you don't know sh*t. Ignorance like this just pisses me off. Everyone is different and that is something I am proud of. I am glad I am not like the "sterotypical" black guy. But just becuase they enjoy what they like or do what they do, do NOT assume all BLACKs (African Americans) are the damn same.

*edit forgot to add link.

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 3:08pm by SirTanta


Black guy just schooled you there Damien. Response?
#78 Oct 19 2007 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
Baron von tarv wrote:

he's basicly saying that Black Americans have been f*cked over by the system for years and it's hard for them to escape the poverty trap because of social factors inherant in being in the poverty trap.


No, he's saying that black folks are poor not because they have been at a systematic disadvantage for so long, but because they are sluts and deadbeat dads.

Subtle difference, I know.
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Black guy just schooled you there Damien. Response?


I dunno , but my suggestion is he take a **** load of Actonel to avoid a bonecrushing blow like that again.
#80 Oct 19 2007 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
Hey SirTanta, your sister sounds hot.

Can a brother get some digits?
#81 Oct 19 2007 at 1:18 PM Rating: Default
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Give me reasoning as solid as mine as to why that's the case and I might agree with you, but I doubt you can.


But you're not giving "solid reasoning." You're making leaps and jumps and assumptions.

Sure, I agree that more black people than white people live in poverty, and that because of that they are more likely to live in a violent neighborhood.

I do not agree, however, that simply being poor makes you more likely to get into drugs or commit crimes. That's where it stops. There's really no reason to assume that what you believe is a fact.


So you're saying that if you live in a violent neighborhood you're not gonna be more likely to get involved in violence? You honestly don't think that poor people are more likely to steal or deal drugs? That's ridiculous. Give me examples of how discrimination holds black people back.

And to the black person who posted before you: You need to learn that most doesn't mean all. I never said ALL black people are like this; just a vast majority of the ones who believe that they're poor because of discrimination.

You're a perfect example. You're black and you're doing fine, right? So obviously it's not discrimination.

Blacktuesday, I didn't get schooled because he didn't refute anything I said. Personal examples don't change what's happening as a whole.

I apologize for not being more clear when I said "black people" I didn't mean ALL, just many many many of them (i.e a majority or close to it)

Where is the systematic disadvantage? (in turtle's words) At least nowadays? The poorest black person from Harlem can become a doctor, lawyer, etc etc etc if they just WORK HARD ENOUGH AND MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES. That's my WHOLE point. If a black person fails, it's not because the system is against them, it's because they didn't work hard enough or they made the wrong choices. If they keep their noses in the books and stay in school and make the right lifestyle choices, they can accomplish pretty much anything they want. So where's the discrimination?

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 5:20pm by DaimenKain

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 5:26pm by DaimenKain
#82 Oct 19 2007 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
DaimenKain wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Give me reasoning as solid as mine as to why that's the case and I might agree with you, but I doubt you can.


But you're not giving "solid reasoning." You're making leaps and jumps and assumptions.

Sure, I agree that more black people than white people live in poverty, and that because of that they are more likely to live in a violent neighborhood.

I do not agree, however, that simply being poor makes you more likely to get into drugs or commit crimes. That's where it stops. There's really no reason to assume that what you believe is a fact.


So you're saying that if you live in a violent neighborhood you're not gonna be more likely to get involved in violence? You honestly don't think that poor people are more likely to steal or deal drugs? That's ridiculous. Give me examples of how discrimination holds black people back.

And to the black person who posted before you: You need to learn that most doesn't mean all. I never said ALL black people are like this; just a vast majority of the ones who believe that they're poor because of discrimination.

You're a perfect example. You're black and you're doing fine, right? So obviously it's not discrimination.


Blacktuesday, I didn't get schooled because he didn't refute anything I said. Personal examples don't change what's happening as a whole.

I apologize for not being more clear when I said "black people" I didn't mean ALL, just many many many of them (i.e a majority or close to it)

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 5:20pm by DaimenKain


Found a new sig!

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 5:21pm by Blacktuesday
#83 Oct 19 2007 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
His Excellency SirTanta wrote:
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One of the things I have learned from posting here, whether my fellow posters recognize it or not, is how easy it is for people to take offense to generalizations. Clearly you have just done so. I'm not saying it's wrong, and Damian really should just shut up at this point, but IS a generalization, and I'm almost certain that he doesn't think his comments apply unanimously and unconditionally to all black people. He's just stating a general observation, and quite frankly, whether you're black or not, you have to admit that the majority of black people in THIS country paint a pretty poor image for black people in general.

That's not to say it's inherently a black thing; I personally believe it's a culture issue more than anything else, and I've also worked with some fine ladies and gentleman who were not Anglo/Caucasian/whatever.
#84 Oct 19 2007 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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Blacktuesday wrote:
Found a new sig!


No you didn't! Smiley: mad
#85 Oct 19 2007 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Daimen as far as I can tell, everything you said WAS DIRECTED TO ALL BLACK PEOPLE. Nothing in that statement said "Some" or anything like that, even then I would STILL be offended. Lets put it this way, I am African American, or black or whatever. I really don't care what your basis is, or whatever. The fact is this, you said it, and I am defending the fact that there is problems out there, I think communities, and people out there need to take care of the families there, I feel alot of people in this country give up on those areas of the country and thats why we are in such a bad state as we are.

I honestly think you need to join a military branch or something and see different ethic groups, try to work with them. I had the PLEASURE of that. I am a military brat myself and I had to work with a black guy who was from Chicago. Talk about two different cultures, but I respect him he respects me. End of story. There is a WAY bigger world out there, I just think ALOT of Americans are not exposed to it, thats why we have racism, low scores in things, alot of people SPOILED becuase they get handed everything on a silver platter.

Well thats just my way of thinking. I think the must sad thing is for my "race" is I don't have ANY history. The most amount of history I have is back to my grandfather and I find out of course "Where did my last name come from?" Slave owners WOOOOOHOOOO! Wonderful. Look, the point is, Not all African Amercians are bad, not all of us are like that. There are people from every race that does what u were claiming in that horrible horrible message.


Edit: I should have NEVER read this damn thread.

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 3:28pm by SirTanta
#86 Oct 19 2007 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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Blacktuesday wrote:
Found a new sig!


No you didn't! Smiley: mad


Smiley: nod To be honest I would have kept the old one but it was way too big. (Looks up and tries not to find the sexual innuendos in that statement)
#87 Oct 19 2007 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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He's just stating a general observation, and quite frankly, whether you're black or not, you have to admit that the majority of black people in THIS country paint a pretty poor image for black people in general.


/facepalm

Not the majority. Not even close.
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#88 Oct 19 2007 at 1:30 PM Rating: Decent
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He's just stating a general observation, and quite frankly, whether you're black or not, you have to admit that the majority of black people in THIS country paint a pretty poor image for black people in general.


/facepalm

Not the majority. Not even close.


You have numbers to prove this? If I'm wrong, great. But life experiences have taught me otherwise.
#89REDACTED, Posted: Oct 19 2007 at 1:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tanta, you're not making any sense to me. I just said in my last post I was sorry if I made it sound like I was lumping ALL black people into it.
#90 Oct 19 2007 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Last time a checked, African Americans are a minority, so basically isnt a majority almost all of them? HMMMMMM
#91 Oct 19 2007 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
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He's just stating a general observation, and quite frankly, whether you're black or not, you have to admit that the majority of black people in THIS country paint a pretty poor image for black people in general.


/facepalm

Not the majority. Not even close.


I think the Martin Luther King episode of the Boondocks says it all...

Black people that care about the world around them, that succeed, that live well, are annoyed that the gangsta image is always applied to them, regardless of personal achievement.

If that's not the very definition of racism, I don't know what is.
#92 Oct 19 2007 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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Tanta, you're not making any sense to me. I just said in my last post I was sorry if I made it sound like I was lumping ALL black people into it.

My whole point is that 90% of black people's problems are caused by those black people and the choices they make and it has nothing to do with white people or the "system"


This is such a moronic statement. Has it ever occurred to you that the situation of being poor might actually be perpetuated by a "system?"

And I'm not saying that all poor people if given the proper chances could get themselves out of poverty. However, if you take their kids and give them access to better schooling and make it so they have the resources to succeed, then guess what, you lose both being **** poor and the violence problem. Freaking amazing, and that model works regardless of what ethnicity it is put into.

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 5:36pm by Blacktuesday
#93 Oct 19 2007 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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Blacktuesday wrote:
Smiley: nod To be honest I would have kept the old one but it was way too big.
You're off the hook for that Inyourendo statement Smiley: flowers

DaimenKain wrote:
My whole point is that 90% of black people's problems are caused by those black people and the choices they make and it has nothing to do with white people or the "system"


I just can't seem to figure out why Tanta's getting pissed. Smiley: rolleyes
#94 Oct 19 2007 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
Blacktuesday wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
Tanta, you're not making any sense to me. I just said in my last post I was sorry if I made it sound like I was lumping ALL black people into it.

My whole point is that 90% of black people's problems are caused by those black people and the choices they make and it has nothing to do with white people or the "system"


This is such a moronic statement. Has it ever occurred to you that the situation of being poor might actually be perpetuated by a "system?"


Black is a disease, Tuesday, and poor is just a symptom.

Sheesh, I wish I didn't have to simplify everything for you people.
#95REDACTED, Posted: Oct 19 2007 at 1:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Right, it has nothing to do with 57% of them being from single-parent households.
#96 Oct 19 2007 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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DaimenKain wrote:


Right, it has nothing to do with 57% of them being from single-parent households.



Cuz this never happens to white people amirite?

Cuz the divorce/teen pregnancy/pre-marital sex rates aren't higher for every human being in America than they've ever been, amirite?
#97 Oct 19 2007 at 1:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Tanta, you're not making any sense to me. I just said in my last post I was sorry if I made it sound like I was lumping ALL black people into it.

My whole point is that 90% of black people's problems are caused by those black people and the choices they make and it has nothing to do with white people or the "system"


How about we rephrase that to this....

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My whole point is that 90% of this country's problems are caused by people.


What does it have to do with race? Why is it race? Why is it that it always comes down to culture, or hip hop, or black on black crime? We are ALL different. I think that is the big thing here. But I will admit, most of the problems do suck balls. But here is my question.

Are you in the USA? If you do, who is your president? I know who mine is.. unfortunately but I think that is my point as well, we ALL follow the same law under the same people who govern those laws, so why can't we all just take care of each other?

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 3:39pm by SirTanta
#98 Oct 19 2007 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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Did I forget to mention that uhhh all of my nephew's and neice's Dad's are not black? O.o
#99 Oct 19 2007 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
His Excellency SirTanta wrote:
why can't we all just take care of each other?


Because black folks will kill a whitey if you step into their hood.

They're kind of scary people if you're not one of them.Smiley: frown

Also, better than joining the military in order to be exposed to other cultures is going to prison.Smiley: schooled
#100 Oct 19 2007 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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StubsOnAsura the Wise wrote:
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He's just stating a general observation, and quite frankly, whether you're black or not, you have to admit that the majority of black people in THIS country paint a pretty poor image for black people in general.


/facepalm

Not the majority. Not even close.


You have numbers to prove this? If I'm wrong, great. But life experiences have taught me otherwise.


Okay, sure. Take Washington, D. C. Major metropolitan area, largely black, largely poor or lower-middle-class.

Crimes against persons in 1999: 482 per 100,000 people.

I don't know what other criteria you're using when you say "the majority of black people in THIS country paint a pretty poor image for black people", so I'm just winging it with a random stat. Because a vague accusation like that is of course fairly hard to rebut.

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#101 Oct 19 2007 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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I hope this ends like that Southpark episode where Stan admits to Token at the end that he just "doesn't get how he feels" and they accept one another, despite the racial difference.

But, then I hope Tanta caps Damen in the face with a glock, 'cause 90% of black people own glocks and like to "cap" people with them.
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