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#1 Oct 19 2007 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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THUG CULTURE IS A CANCER DESTROYING BLACK AMERICA

Cynthia Tucker wrote:
We know where yo' family live

Trust me you don't want me up in yo' crib

Wit' a ski mask on duct taping your kids

You can pray all you want

But I don't forgive


from "Hurt," by T.I., featuring Alfamega and Busta Rhymes

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Clifford Harris Jr. would have been celebrated last Saturday night at the BET Hip-Hop Awards, had he made it to the ceremony. Instead, he was in police custody, charged with illegal possession of firearms.

The young rapper could have stood before a cheering audience in downtown Atlanta and accepted his award for Best CD of the Year, had he steered clear of machine guns and silencers. Instead, he was handcuffed, fingerprinted, photographed, incarcerated.

Harris -- whose stage name is T.I. -- should be riding the wave of his incredible success, enjoying freedom, fame and fortune. Instead, he's looking at the prospect of several years in prison. He was arrested Saturday afternoon after he was allegedly caught trying to take possession of the weapons from his bodyguard, who was apparently cooperating with authorities. Already a convicted crack dealer, Harris faces a potentially lengthy sentence.

Somewhere along the way, a cadre of young black men and women began glorifying violence, misogyny and thuggery, accepting incarceration as inevitable, resigning themselves to lives on the margins of mainstream society. They created a thug culture that has been commodified -- celebrated in music and movies, sold to poor adolescents in wretched neighborhoods as well as affluent teenagers in upscale communities.

But the violence isn't just playacting; it's not just teenagers trying on a rebellious facade. Young adults -- many of them men, most of them black -- get arrested. They go to prison. They die on the streets.

There is now a cottage industry dedicated to defending rap music, a group of enablers who glorify hard-core rap as a legitimate art form reflecting the bitter real-life experiences of ghetto inhabitants. But I have no patience for the academic exegeses. This so-called music and the lifestyle it glorifies is a malignancy destroying black America. What does it take for mothers and fathers, ministers and teachers, music executives and TV moguls to turn it off?

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Plus I got a hundred goons wit me

Dressed in black

Fifty at the front door, fifty at the back

Half got 'Ks (AK-47s), half got macs (Mac 10s)

from "Hurt"

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Last year, T.I. attended the funeral of Philant Johnson, 26, his best friend and personal assistant, who was shot dead in a gun battle among moving cars on I-75 near Cincinnati. Police said the gunfire followed an argument involving unidentified locals and T.I.'s entourage at a Cincinnati nightclub. If Harris had regrets about Johnson's death, they apparently didn't manifest as pacifism. He kept a small ******* at his Atlanta home, according to police.
The criminal justice system -- notorious for grinding black men down -- gave the young rapper T.I. a second chance after he was convicted for selling cocaine. Not only has he launched a highly successful music career, but he has also won notice as an actor. He has a role in the new movie "American Gangster," starring Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe.

But given that second chance, what did Harris do? If he had machine guns, as police say, at whom did he intend to point them?

Homicide is the leading cause of death among black men between the ages of 15 and 30. And it is a fratricidal enterprise. Young black men are killed by other young black men.

If white entertainers were making millions singing about the slaughter of black men and mistreatment of black women, city streets would clog with protesters. Demonstrators would pack the halls of Congress. Commerce would grind to a halt as black activists demanded boycotts. But somehow, the violence and misogyny of T.I., 50 Cent and Nelly are less inflammatory.

Yes, a lot of their music is purchased by white consumers, as a lot of it is marketed by white executives. But blaming The Man seems shallow and irresponsible when black Americans are abetting their own destruction.


This black woman makes a very valid point about violence breeding violence. It's nice to see someone besides Bill Cosby asking for a change.

edit: edited title

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 1:09pm by Senjiow
#2 Oct 19 2007 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
I'm fairly certain that women have it worse. Smiley: bah
#3 Oct 19 2007 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
Sciences states blacks are 50% more likely to shoot someone up yo.
#4 Oct 19 2007 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I'm fairly certain that women have it worse. Smiley: bah

OH NO you don't, you got the last thread. This one has nothing to do with women.
#5 Oct 19 2007 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
Belkira is a right, a black woman would totally get a longer prison sentence than a white woman.
#6 Oct 19 2007 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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I'm starting to suspect that Senjiow is trying to start a race war. Smiley: lol
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#7 Oct 19 2007 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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PunkFloyd the Flatulent wrote:
I'm starting to suspect that Senjiow is trying to start a race war. Smiley: lol


Smiley: lolDon't blame me, blame Digg. I am just trying to create lively debate in th OOT.
#8 Oct 19 2007 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I'm fairly certain that women have it worse. Smiley: bah

OH NO you don't, you got the last thread. This one has nothing to do with women.


Smiley: sly
#9 Oct 19 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
I oppress women as much as possible.
#10 Oct 19 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
remorajunbao, Immortal Lion wrote:
I oppress women as much as possible.


It's not always a bad thing... Smiley: sly
#11 Oct 19 2007 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
Bow chikca wow wow.
#12 Oct 19 2007 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
There is no debate here. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that the "thug culture" is representative of the violence that overcomes most of our nation's poverty stricken youth today, if not the general inspiration for most of it. And yes, a good majority of that is black.

The secondary majority is the messicans, but I won't go brown in a black thread.
#13 Oct 19 2007 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
I’m all for shit heads killing shit heads.

It’s when honest, good hearted citizens, are hurt that I have a problem with.
#14 Oct 19 2007 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
remorajunbao, Immortal Lion wrote:
Bow chikca wow wow.


Try as I might, I cannot imagine that being said with a heavy british accent.
#15 Oct 19 2007 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
What's her point? That glorifying and selling violence and misogyny is bad?

Well way to go, lady, that's some really eye-opening ****, right there.

I feel bad for the dude, though, because if you can't trust your bodyguard who can you trust?
#16 Oct 19 2007 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
StubsOnAsura the Wise wrote:
There is no debate here. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that the "thug culture" is representative of the violence that overcomes most of our nation's poverty stricken youth today, if not the general inspiration for most of it. And yes, a good majority of that is black.

The secondary majority is the messicans, but I won't go brown in a black thread.


I'm sure that this all happens because mommies won't stay home with their babies, right?

Sorry, Ashy, I couldn't resist.
#17 Oct 19 2007 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:


I'm sure that this all happens because mommies won't stay home with their babies, right?



Smiley: laughSmiley: lolSmiley: laughSmiley: lolSmiley: laugh


I almost fell off my chair. But yeah, you're probably right. Smiley: nod
#18 Oct 19 2007 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
The sad thing is, I don't really ever see black people changing. Why get off welfare when it pays more than a minimum wage job and you don't even have to do any actual work to get it.

Black people are in such bad economic shape not because white people don't give them jobs or they face discrimination. They're in such bad economic shape because a majority (over 50%) of black households are single parent households.

These black women get pregnant at 14 with some guy they hook up with and he splits. She drops out of high school, gets on welfare and then she can't raise her bad *** kids right.

Since there's no money and the mother isn't a very good example, the kid doesn't work hard in school and sees that the only "successful" people in his neighborhood are criminals. In most black neighborhoods, the person with the fanciest car, or the most bling is the one everyone looks up to, not the "sucker" making 7.00 hr at McDonald's and who studies every night so he can get into college.

Black people probably aren't INHERENTLY dumber, but the fact remains that they have really messed up priorities. Without good role models, these kids just think that gangbanging is their only way out.

What black people need to do is stop having so many kids in their teens and actually finish high school first so their kids aren't starting life off right behind the eight-ball.
#19 Oct 19 2007 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I'm sure that this all happens because mommies won't stay home with their babies, right?

Sorry, Ashy, I couldn't resist.


On the contrary, I'd hazard a guess that the majority of those represented by "thug culture" lived with stay-at-home welfare mommies. Smiley: dubious
#20 Oct 19 2007 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
StubsOnAsura the Wise wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I'm sure that this all happens because mommies won't stay home with their babies, right?

Sorry, Ashy, I couldn't resist.


On the contrary, I'd hazard a guess that the majority of those represented by "thug culture" lived with stay-at-home welfare mommies. Smiley: dubious


Smiley: glare

Hush.
#21 Oct 19 2007 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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DaimenKain wrote:
The sad thing is, I don't really ever see black people changing. Why get off welfare when it pays more than a minimum wage job and you don't even have to do any actual work to get it.

Black people are in such bad economic shape not because white people don't give them jobs or they face discrimination. They're in such bad economic shape because a majority (over 50%) of black households are single parent households.

These black women get pregnant at 14 with some guy they hook up with and he splits. She drops out of high school, gets on welfare and then she can't raise her bad *** kids right.

Since there's no money and the mother isn't a very good example, the kid doesn't work hard in school and sees that the only "successful" people in his neighborhood are criminals. In most black neighborhoods, the person with the fanciest car, or the most bling is the one everyone looks up to, not the "sucker" making 7.00 hr at McDonald's and who studies every night so he can get into college.

Black people probably aren't INHERENTLY dumber, but the fact remains that they have really messed up priorities. Without good role models, these kids just think that gangbanging is their only way out.

What black people need to do is stop having so many kids in their teens and actually finish high school first so their kids aren't starting life off right behind the eight-ball.


Stereotype much?
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#22 Oct 19 2007 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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PunkFloyd the Flatulent wrote:
DaimenKain wrote:
The sad thing is, I don't really ever see black people changing. Why get off welfare when it pays more than a minimum wage job and you don't even have to do any actual work to get it.

Black people are in such bad economic shape not because white people don't give them jobs or they face discrimination. They're in such bad economic shape because a majority (over 50%) of black households are single parent households.

These black women get pregnant at 14 with some guy they hook up with and he splits. She drops out of high school, gets on welfare and then she can't raise her bad *** kids right.

Since there's no money and the mother isn't a very good example, the kid doesn't work hard in school and sees that the only "successful" people in his neighborhood are criminals. In most black neighborhoods, the person with the fanciest car, or the most bling is the one everyone looks up to, not the "sucker" making 7.00 hr at McDonald's and who studies every night so he can get into college.

Black people probably aren't INHERENTLY dumber, but the fact remains that they have really messed up priorities. Without good role models, these kids just think that gangbanging is their only way out.

What black people need to do is stop having so many kids in their teens and actually finish high school first so their kids aren't starting life off right behind the eight-ball.


Stereotype much?


While I don't agree with 100% of the above post, he does make some very valid points.
#23 Oct 19 2007 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
Daboder da Basher wrote:
While I don't agree with 100% of the above post, he does make some very valid points.


Oh? What, exactly, is in that post that couldn't pertain to someone of a different color?
#24 Oct 19 2007 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
All those damn mexicans do is shoot people and live on welfare and stuff.
#25 Oct 19 2007 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Daboder da Basher wrote:
While I don't agree with 100% of the above post, he does make some very valid points.


Oh? What, exactly, is in that post that couldn't pertain to someone of a different color?


I didn't say it had anything to do with color at all. Just saying he had valid points on why certain people develop a certain way because of their surroundings.
#26 Oct 19 2007 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
remorajunbao, Immortal Lion wrote:
All those damn mexicans do is shoot people and live on welfare and stuff.


What can brown do for you?
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