Black people are dumbFollow

How is a difference not an inequality?

There's no chip on my shoulder, I'm just saying that its silly to have an argument along these lines:

"I shouldn't be punished by not being treated as equal to a man. I have to endure childbirth, isn't that punishment enough?"

I hear childbirth regarded as a burden and a negotiation device way too often when women argue about inequality, that was my point.

You're taking two different definitions of inequality and trying to use them to prove a point.

Inequality in the workplace =/= differences of anatomy.

And any woman who uses childbirth as a "negotiation point" is a *****.

They may not necessarily be rights, per say, but favoritism at the very least. Two examples here:

woman accuses man of rape.
man accuses woman of rape.

But cases will be handled very differently. In the eyes of the public, the man who is accused is presumed guilty, not so in the case of the accused woman, because the woman is favored.

And from personal experience, the police were called to my apartment one time because of a fight I was having with my ex-girlfriend. When they arrived, I showed them the bite marks, bruises, and hand prints she left on me from biting, punching and slapping me. I had not even touched her. What did the cops do? They didn't even put that in their report.
A couple weeks later we got into another heated argument, this time she was really pissed. Same thing, she yelled, screamed, punched and kicked me as I stood there and did nothing, but get my stuff so I could leave. I was gone by the time the cops arrived, but they asked what happened, and she told them I shoved her, (which didn't even really happen). The police then called me in for questioning, and when I got there, they arrested me for domestic abuse. I never laid a hand on her. She had no marks. I did. I showed them. I ended up paying over $2000 in fines, bail, and court costs, while she got off scot free. Not to mention I was also not allowed to return to my apartment for 2 days. All because they took the woman's side on the issue. Men get the shaft all the time when dealings with legal issues between a man and a woman.

What about divorce? Especially with kids. More often than not, the woman will get custody with all other variables being equal. Where's the fairness in that? What about all the men getting "taken to the cleaners" after a divorce?

Also, let's look at dating:

While there are occasions where the woman will take the man out, and pay for the date, that's usually not the case. It's expected of the man to wine and dine the woman. How many free drinks do you think women get at the bars compared to men?

You get paid maternity leave from some employers, where men don't.

And how many stories have you heard about a women getting out of a speeding ticket by batting her eyes a little, of maybe even showing some skin?
Guys don't have that luxury.

And as far as sex is concerned, women can use their body's as a tool to get what they want. How many times have you heard of a man "sleeping his way to the top"?

Our society looks at women as a gender to be pampered. You get favors just for being female.

I have alot more examples to cite, but this is already too long, and work is busy today.

Um, they would have been slaves anyway. Most of the slaves sold to America were SOLD to the Europeans and Americans by African tribes. The sold slaves were ALREADY slaves, being the leftovers of conquored tribes.

Don't rationalize slavery. I mean, Jesus.

[:headpalm:]

Jesus Christ, you're just asking for it, aren't you?

I'd like to see some evidence of this. The truth of the matter is, there are very very few cases of a man being raped at all, therefore it's nearly impossible for you to come to this conclusion.



The cops were wrong. If there is any evidence of any sort of domestic abuse, the cops have to arrest the person who inflicted the harm. That's not favoritism, that's the cops doing a shoddy job.



I agree with you here. Men should be looked at equally when deciding what's best for the child. As for being "taken to the cleaners" after a divorce, it really all depends on who the breadwinner was. If my husband and I got a divorce, I'd probably be forced to pay him alimony.



Maternity leave is very very rarely paid, dear.



Rarely. But I did hear recently about male cops forcing women to take off their tops and jump up and down to avoid being arrested... And there was a **** actress who recently was made to give a cop head during a routine traffic stop.



I have honestly, outside of books and movies, heard of a woman sleeping her way to the top. I've heard jealous men insinuating that about a woman who is good at her job, but never actually heard of it happening.

But, honestly, your entire list has nothing to do with oppression, discrimination, or inequality. It has more to do with personal grudges.

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 11:17am by Belkira

Pics or it didn't happen.

I'm not RATIONALIZING it at all. I'm simply stating a fact that sometimes gets lost among the emotional rubble of indignities tossed around. Europeans didn't have "Slave Farmers" in Africa. There were no "Slave Ranches". The Europeans had 2 things that made many African tribal leaders VERY rich: money and a market for cheap labor.

As I've stated earlier, I am not stating my opinions, I'm just pointing at stuff.

He's saying that there are also inequalities in women's favor.

Ding, Ding, Ding.

We HAVE a WINNER!

I'd agree with that when it comes to advancement or people who have been around for the same amount of time, but I believe there's evidence supporting the fact that they start the same job at different wages.

I have issues with women too. They smell better then me and I don't like it. So you take your 70 cents and like it!