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#52 Oct 18 2007 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
Lady Annabella wrote:
Well, first you have to establish that there are significant genetic differences that are split down racial lines-- which I've never seen evidence of--even before you will presuppose differences based on those lines.
Even if our sickle-cell carrying counterparts do have a tendency to have lower IQ thresholds, this does not mean that EVERY one would have a lower IQ than every member of a different race. There are stupid people with low IQ thresholds in every race. The true root of the problem here is not the science, but it is the tact and manner in which it was presented. I have found that some brilliant people should never speak to the public because they present the hard facts without the whole story because they assume that everyone else is thinking exactly as they are thinking. That's the key communication problem with guys like this.

I'd be more interested in results that indicate the probability of having an intellectually inept child based on combinations of parents of different races.

In my opinion, I do believe there is a superior race, but I also believe that it does not actually exist as a race yet, but if at all, in a few individuals. That race will be a combination of certain gene pools in the world, but not specifically racially divided ones. I do not think that we even have the adequate technology to actually collect and process enough information to mack that distinction either as there are so many factors involved that it would take generations.

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 11:20am by Elderon
#53 Oct 18 2007 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
In case you are unaware, I am half jewish. I am missing family because of WWI and II. The irony, the other half of my ancestry is responsible for it. So tell me who I am supposed to be pissed at? The jews for being jewish, or the germans for fighting for what they believed? Right or wrong, it's what they believed. You want lip service, you won't get it from me. I honestly don't care. I didn't do it, don't be mad at me. Or be mad, that's your choice and you have to live with it. I won't be losing sleep over it. Rise above it or drown in the mire.


You get too defensive, Senji.

Who should you be mad at? That depends. Is someone belittling your race, gender, or religion? If so, that's a good place to start, if you want to be mad. But that's up to you.

I'm not pissed at you for anything. I don't believe I ever said I was. I'm pissed that this old white fart thinks that it's ok, simply because he has the letters "DR." before his name, to spew his racist remarks and pretend they're science.

Now, it seems to me that you want me to believe you "don't care" about this one way or the other. But that's not true. You're tired of people rocking the boat. That's just too bad, though, isn't it?

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 10:21am by Belkira
#54 Oct 18 2007 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Ash, take everything Kaain says with a major grain of salt.


Except if involved hair mousse.


I don't use "mousse" you old crone Smiley: laugh

That's a nice "blouse" you're wearing today.
#55 Oct 18 2007 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon wrote:
In my opinion, I do believe there is a superior race, but I also believe that it does not actually exist as a race yet, but if at all, in a few individuals. That race will be a combination of certain gene pools in the world, but not specifically racially divided ones. I do not think that we even have the adequate technology to actually collect and process enough information to mack that distinction either as there are so many factors involved that it would take generations.

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 11:20am by Elderon


Stop watching Heroes.
#56 Oct 18 2007 at 7:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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What are we supposed to say?
According to Watson, "Half-ape spear throwers"


Does anyone remember the black character in early episodes of M.A.S.H. called Spearchucker?

lolstupidhollywoodracism


Yeah, that was all explained in the movie/book.
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#57 Oct 18 2007 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Ash, take everything Kaain says with a major grain of salt.

Kaain is still a little unstable since his mother was raped last month.
#58 Oct 18 2007 at 7:23 AM Rating: Excellent
Aripyanfar the Eccentric wrote:
Kaain is unstable.


FTFY. Had too many words.

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 10:23am by Belkira
#59 Oct 18 2007 at 7:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
In case you are unaware, I am half jewish. I am missing family because of WWI and II. The irony, the other half of my ancestry is responsible for it.
I take this to mean that you are half German. Given my Polish ancestry and the suffering my nation has been through at the hands of Germany, I demand that you suck up to me from now on.

You may start by bringing me a soda.
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#60 Oct 18 2007 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
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Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
Elderon wrote:
In my opinion, I do believe there is a superior race, but I also believe that it does not actually exist as a race yet, but if at all, in a few individuals. That race will be a combination of certain gene pools in the world, but not specifically racially divided ones. I do not think that we even have the adequate technology to actually collect and process enough information to mack that distinction either as there are so many factors involved that it would take generations.

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 11:20am by Elderon


Stop watching Heroes.


Had to Smiley: laugh at that.
#61 Oct 18 2007 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
Elderon wrote:
In my opinion, I do believe there is a superior race, but I also believe that it does not actually exist as a race yet, but if at all, in a few individuals. That race will be a combination of certain gene pools in the world, but not specifically racially divided ones. I do not think that we even have the adequate technology to actually collect and process enough information to mack that distinction either as there are so many factors involved that it would take generations.


Stop watching Heroes.
Seriously, there's a TV show about this theory? Nifty.


#62 Oct 18 2007 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
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You get too defensive, Senji.

Who should you be mad at? That depends. Is someone belittling your race, gender, or religion? If so, that's a good place to start, if you want to be mad. But that's up to you.

I'm not pissed at you for anything. I don't believe I ever said I was. I'm pissed that this old white fart thinks that it's ok, simply because he has the letters "DR." before his name, to spew his racist remarks and pretend they're science.

Now, it seems to me that you want me to believe you "don't care" about this one way or the other. But that's not true. You're tired of people rocking the boat. That's just too bad, though, isn't it?

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 10:21am by Belkira


There is a little truth to your last sentence. Why can't people be a little more mature. Is it really too much to ask?

I understand you aren't mad at me, but at the "white man" for oppressing you as a woman. If he wants to be racist, or sexist, or whatever, let him. That's his choice. You don't have to argue, agree, or even listen to him. That's your choice.

I am not trying to be defensive. I just don't understand why people would want to hold a grudge. That is exactly what everyone is doing, making that choice to be angry for something they can't control. Choose not to, and you would be surprised.
#63 Oct 18 2007 at 7:27 AM Rating: Default
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:

Tell you what. I'll stop "holding a grudge" when equality isn't just lip service.

Deal?

Once again, it's easy for you to say all of this when you're not the one getting the "short end of the stick."


I can feel the rate downz coming now, but that's just fucking horseshit. What a stupid comment to make. Shove your "grudge" where the sun don't shine, because the fact of the matter is, "YOU AREN'T GETTING THE SHORT END OF THE STICK". Maybe years and years ago, but can you honestly tell me you are in some way oppressed by today's society? Gimme a break. If anything women are MORE intelligent than men, and as far as equal rights are concerned, you all have more rights than us men do.
#64 Oct 18 2007 at 7:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
In case you are unaware, I am half jewish. I am missing family because of WWI and II. The irony, the other half of my ancestry is responsible for it.
I take this to mean that you are half German. Given my Polish ancestry and the suffering my nation has been through at the hands of Germany, I demand that you suck up to me from now on.

You may start by bringing me a soda.


I was gonna rate you up, but you're already at excellent, lol.
#65 Oct 18 2007 at 7:31 AM Rating: Good
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
There is a little truth to your last sentence. Why can't people be a little more mature. Is it really too much to ask?


Since when does "mature" mean "to settle for something less than what you're worth?"

Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
I understand you aren't mad at me, but at the "white man" for oppressing you as a woman. If he wants to be racist, or sexist, or whatever, let him. That's his choice. You don't have to argue, agree, or even listen to him. That's your choice.


No, you don't undrestand. I'm not mad at "the white man." I'm mad at the people who are still actively trying to oppress people for whatever reason they think makes them better. Yes, I'll argue until I'm blue in the face that a woman is just as important, smart, and capable as a man. It is my choice to do that, and it doesn't make me any less mature. It makes me opnionated. What's wrong with that?

Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
I am not trying to be defensive. I just don't understand why people would want to hold a grudge. That is exactly what everyone is doing, making that choice to be angry for something they can't control. Choose not to, and you would be surprised.


Again, it's not about holding a grudge, it's about striving for equality.
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#67 Oct 18 2007 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can feel the rate downz coming now, but that's just fucking horseshit. What a stupid comment to make. Shove your "grudge" where the sun don't shine, because the fact of the matter is, "YOU AREN'T GETTING THE SHORT END OF THE STICK". Maybe years and years ago, but can you honestly tell me you are in some way oppressed by today's society? Gimme a break. If anything women are MORE intelligent than men, and as far as equal rights are concerned, you all have more rights than us men do.


I, personally, am not "oppressed," but that doesn't mean that women aren't, that doesn't mean that minorities aren't, that doesn't mean that homosexuals aren't.

If you honestly don't think that there is oppression (i.e. discrimination) than you, sir, are the one full of "fucking horsesh*t."

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 10:34am by Belkira
#68 Oct 18 2007 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
There is a little truth to your last sentence. Why can't people be a little more mature. Is it really too much to ask?


Since when does "mature" mean "to settle for something less than what you're worth?"

Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
I understand you aren't mad at me, but at the "white man" for oppressing you as a woman. If he wants to be racist, or sexist, or whatever, let him. That's his choice. You don't have to argue, agree, or even listen to him. That's your choice.


No, you don't undrestand. I'm not mad at "the white man." I'm mad at the people who are still actively trying to oppress people for whatever reason they think makes them better. Yes, I'll argue until I'm blue in the face that a woman is just as important, smart, and capable as a man. It is my choice to do that, and it doesn't make me any less mature. It makes me opnionated. What's wrong with that?

Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
I am not trying to be defensive. I just don't understand why people would want to hold a grudge. That is exactly what everyone is doing, making that choice to be angry for something they can't control. Choose not to, and you would be surprised.


Again, it's not about holding a grudge, it's about striving for equality.


When did I say you had to settle, in fact, all of my posts have told people to rise above the pettiness of bigotry, not deal with it.
#69 Oct 18 2007 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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If anything women are MORE intelligent than men, and as far as equal rights are concerned, you all have more rights than us men do.


Well, that certainly explains the whole "70 cents on the dollar" pay ratio. Thanks! I feel ever so much better now.
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#70 Oct 18 2007 at 7:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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If black people truly aren't lazier/stupider than white people on average, than why did Europe/China/etc flourish while Africa is basically stuck in the Dark Ages for the most part?



You have 0 comprehension of regional resources don't you?
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#71 Oct 18 2007 at 7:35 AM Rating: Excellent
Senjiow the Mundane wrote:
When did I say you had to settle, in fact, all of my posts have told people to rise above the pettiness of bigotry, not deal with it.


Smiley: rolleyes

Ok, so the next time that a woman gets a job and she is paid less than her male counterparts, you want her to "rise above" that bigotry and "not deal with it."

i.e., You want her to settle for her lower pay even though she's doing equal work.
#72 Oct 18 2007 at 7:35 AM Rating: Good
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If black people truly aren't lazier/stupider than white people on average, than why did Europe/China/etc flourish while Africa is basically stuck in the Dark Ages for the most part?



...

Money. Industry.

Oh and it might have something to do with War, Famine, Climate, The Europeans taking millions into slavery, that sort of thing.
#73 Oct 18 2007 at 7:35 AM Rating: Default
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:


I, personally, am not "oppressed," but that doesn't mean that women aren't, that doesn't mean that minorities aren't, that doesn't mean that homosexuals aren't.

If you honestly don't think that there is oppression (i.e. discrimination) than you, sir, are the one full of "fucking horsesh*t."


Cite examples of women's oppression in today's society, and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.
#74 Oct 18 2007 at 7:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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If anything women are MORE intelligent than men, and as far as equal rights are concerned, you all have more rights than us men do.


Well, that certainly explains the whole "70 cents on the dollar" pay ratio. Thanks! I feel ever so much better now.
Now you know what it's like to be Canadian! Smiley: mad
#75 Oct 18 2007 at 7:36 AM Rating: Excellent
Daboder wrote:
Cite examples of women's oppression in today's society, and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.


Samira wrote:
Well, that certainly explains the whole "70 cents on the dollar" pay ratio. Thanks! I feel ever so much better now.


You really are a moron, aren't you?
#76 Oct 18 2007 at 7:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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If black people truly aren't lazier/stupider than white people on average, than why did Europe/China/etc flourish while Africa is basically stuck in the Dark Ages for the most part?
Not that I agree with everything he proposes but read this anyway.

The good new is that it also comes on DVD for the illiterate.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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