Black people are dumbFollow

Wow, didn’t know this thread was still going. Is it worth it to go back over the last few pages I missed or is the last page sum up what's been discussed adequately enough?

I take people as they come, i don't pre judge and a rarely judge even when i have met them.

I've met dumb people the world over, white black and every shade in between, ditto for smart people.

From personal experiance black africans are lazy, ignorant and incredibly racist or more accuratly tribeist. They are less willing to work togther than those born in Asia, Europe or North America. I cannot comment on South America or Oceania having never been there.

I am of the Opinion it has nothing to do with skin coloUr and everything to do with CULTURE.

If you don't like my opinion tough, it's based on MY personal experiances, it all i have to go on, so it's what i use to make judgements.

Full circle: Watson disagrees with himself.

Beat Joph by two minutes! Yay me!

Whatever you say, Nutkin.

You've read his posts. Do you really think his kid would miss out on anything?

Oh and Dr. Watson's remarks are far too flippant (like saying You can observe this by thinking of any black employee) to be based on anything real. But gbaji's vigorous defense on me kind of seems as if he agrees too much with these assumptions.

And I would say as a scientist, wouldn't he seriously question why an entire continent (or rather, south of the Sahara), with diverse ecological/environmental factors and needs that formed numerous types of societal structures throughout the last few million years would result a single trait, such as intelligence being uniformly different than say, Europeans, who are genetically diverse and grew up in different environments and developed different societies. Does that even really make sense?

Or does it just confirm what some people believe to be true b/c of the historical justifications of racism and oppression? And why would sub-Saharan Africans be different genetically and as a group? Whereas logically, like in East Africa, I imagine there would be more contact with the Middle East more than they would have contact with say West African countries--and then why would they be more genetically similar to West Africa and share similar genetic traits?

And I would say to those above postulating about the work habits of Africans--Africa is a big ******* continent. There isn't a single culture. I don't know why anyone would think that say Kenya and Cote D'Ivoire would have the same culture or a more similar culture than Sweden and Sicily or translate to anything meaningful.

Ps. True, Ugly, very true.







Edited, Oct 19th 2007 1:45pm by Annabella

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 1:48pm by Annabella

Is it ok if you're just asking the question, too? As in "are you retarded?"

I tend to ask that question quite often so I just want to make sure I'm being PC.

Well, this all works towards Gbaji's "politics".

See, although he claims to be a Republican, Gbaji knows in his heart that the Republicans are wrong on most things. For instance, when they say it's exclusively the fault of the poor people for being poor. They should be pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and all that.

Now, deep in his heart, Gbaji knows that's not always true. And, if it was scientifically proven that blacks were less intelligent than whites, he could then justify a government program to assist the -- scientifically proven -- less forunate. Perhaps by rounding them up and keeping them in special, government funded, "African-American preserves" where they would be tended to by their more intelligent white keepers. In fact, we could probably find work for them which was closer to their African origins -- something in the agricultural sector perhaps. Although hunting is probably out, we could find them work in the field of "gathering". And, to keep with their tropical origins, we could place these preserves somewhere warm. Like in the southern parts of the country. This way, they would still feel like meaningful parts of society all the while being kept safe by the generousity of the whites and not being forced to over-work their less developed brains or worry about how to adapt to our harsh winters.

But this doesn't make any sense if we say that the blacks are equally intelligent. So we need to scientifically prove that they are mentally inferior. This way, Gbaji can reconcile his "by your bootstraps" conservativism with his repressed "help the unfortunate" liberal soul.

It's touching, really. He should be commended for trying.

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 1:09pm by Jophiel

Someone extracted from a Chinese person?

White and Black have, for better or worse, become standard ways of describing people of Caucasian or African descent. "Yellow" or "Red" or whatever are not. For whatever follies of language that occured, it's pretty much the status quo and I wouldn't say that "White" is offensive just because "Brownie" is.

Not if you're in a cafeteria.

Not at all. I didn't take a stance either way (and stated that several times in fact).

I simply did not automatically condemn Watson's statements purely because they bucked conventional politically correct thinking.

As to the tests I talked about (and to which Watson referred)? I'm not going to dig up a ton of different studies, but a quick check of the wiki entry on the subject shows the same information that I've heard and read about many times over the years.

Sure. That's a wiki, so who knows how accurate it is. But I've *never* heard of an IQ (or other intelligence measuring test) in which African Americans have scored as well as a group as whites. Ever. Even when economic and education levels are accounted for, we still see this gap. All the research and study in this area seems to be aimed not at figuring out whether there is an intelligence gap, but trying to explain it. Theories abound (and I can't say which is valid), but to deny that the gap exists? Silly...

Watson's mistake was presenting a potential scientific explanation (within his own field of study) for a well known phenomenon. Like I said before, that's politically incorrect, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong. I just tend to be bothered when we automatically discount some scientific possibility simply because we don't like the implications that come along with it.


If I were to suggest that African Americans as a group seem to do better at sports then whites, no one would doubt my observation. And if I further suggested that this was because of some set of genetic traits that tended higher in blacks then whites I *also* don't think anyone would make a big deal out of it. Why assume that this can (and does) occur with regard to physical athleticism, but somehow cannot possibly have any link whatsoever to intellectual capability?

Strange don't you think?

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 4:21pm by gbaji