Black people are dumbFollow

Agreed.

I semi-agree with him, though not on the "intelligence" matter.

I'm fairly certain that different "races" if you will - may be "wired" differently.

I've only met ONE black man - in my entire life - that DID NOT like rap. Now, I can't say I live in an area that is racially diverse...there was only one black guy in my graduating class in highschool. Also, he was retarded - literally, though him being retarded and being black are two seperate issues.(hope my word choices don't offend anybody, I just call them like I see them)There were a total of maybe 10 black people living within the small town I grew up in(and interacted with regularly, I'm sure there were more) I've met many black people on the internet and during times of travel.

To anyone who's willing to respond - I have a couple questions?

1. Is it politically correct to refer to people as "black"?

2. Is the word retarded ok?

My opinions on those two questions are as follows:

In response to number one, I do not like referring to people as "African American". It seems silly to me that we need to sub-categorize a group of Americans based on something as trivial as skin color. Do Black British people get called Afro-something? I'm also not fond of using the word "colored" either - as I myself am a rather orangish-brown color.


In response to number 2, what is so wrong with the word retarded? Back when I was in elementary school we got in trouble for saying retarded and told that "mentally impaired" was "the better word for it".

Now hold on...retarded by it's roots just means "slow"... "mentally impaired" means your brain is ******* I'd rather be called retarded.

There was also that "mentally challenged" thing - again...it implies your mind's own existance causes challenge, no? I'd much rather be called retarded...
Another gripe is the term "special needs" - WHAT THE FUCK?!

A blind man has special needs - but we don't refer to him as a "special needs person"

A deaf person will, most usually - have special needs...we don't call them "special needs"

A person in a wheelchair has special needs - which opens a whole nother can of worms(do we call them handi-capped? "differently-abled"? seriously? what?!)

So why do we feel the need to make up special words to describe those who are afflicted with mental retardation?

/end thoughts

As a white man, with a supposed IQ of 127 - I would suppose that my thoughts or feelings on these issues hold little to no weight - which is why I am hoping for others to answer my questions.

*not really interested in hearing what people with mentally retarded family members or children have to say - feel free to contribute - just know that I probably won't read what you post(though I'm sure others may) as I am of the belief that people who have to live with mentally retarded individuals on a daily basis would have the greatest amount of bias.

It is somewhat acceptable now and gaining acceptance. Whether it is the syllable count or people finally realizing "African-American" is an incredibly inaccurate term, I am unsure, but the descriptor "black" is fairly common in American media.

I do not happen to be black, but have spent far too much time with black friends to be oblivious to how they feel on the issue. Were an ebony acquaintance to attempt correcting me I would laugh.

I guess my point was that, short of proving it at the physical level via genetics or neurons per square cubic centimeter or something, I'm extremely hesistant to say any group of people are innately less intelligent than another. There's too many other, non-physical, factors to divorce from the equation.Yes, his in depth research such as: "He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal [in intelligence] but 'people who have to deal with black employees find this not true'."

He doesn't have "findings" or "research". He was speaking to a newspaper and opining about the state of human affairs, not publishing in Nature. Now, I don't doubt that he has read studies over his lifetime but let's not pretend that he's being attacked for some body of work he's created proving this idea. He was just bullshitting with a newspaper in advanmce of a book tour for a book having nothing to do with the topic of black intelligence.

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 7:32am by Jophiel

No, he's basically saying "Africa is a mess, ergo Africans r teh dum."

And why wouldn't it be? Blacks don't go around calling all white people "caucasins" do they? They use the term "white". And "colored", to me, seems like the most derogatory term, as if to say "They're just like a normal person, only colored", which just by using that one word makes them appear different than everyone else.



Why not? It's correct. Unless you're speaking about someone who isn't retarded. I have an aunt who is mentally retarded, and that's what we've always called her. No derogatory intent.

Edited, Oct 19th 2007 8:39am by Daboder

Yep, because truth in journalism has been an extinct concept for quite some time. Only those fresh out of a journalism major still believe in it, and only until they get their first big job.

And even smart people have their stupid moments. After all, a great scholar once wrote that 95% of the world is stupid 95% of the time.

Stop denying it Bel, your hubby sold his soul to the devil. Atleast he had one though

But seriously, its just Stubs and his love of generalization. God forbid that maybe the editor of the paper may have seen the notes and said add that in.

That's ok, Ugly, you can borrow my soul.

Not that it'll do you much good where heaven is concerned.

Good point. But that also supports the notion that "sub-populations" as you put it, could have a lower/higher intelligence level trait as well.

Or at least a continent.