Black people are dumbFollow

Holy **** did this thread explode. I had a long day and missed it all.

I am glad I kept you all entertained today though.

I can't let this one go. Life was infinitely tougher, shorter, more violent and "society" was much more unfair and dysfunctional back when we were animals, and little more than animals.

I've got a huge academic study to back me up on this, and a very long article about it all. The summary is this:

This is the most peaceful, prosperous and functional era in our history. society isn't deteriorating, it's getting better.
The only reason we feel like violence/war is rising and society is more dysfunctional is BECAUSE we have higher standards than we used to, and so we are more sensitive to the minority violence/wars and dysfunctions around us. The vast majority of society is peaceful and stable.

I'll try and link this, and later I'll try and edit down the article so that it's not so long.
http://www.allakhazam.com/journal.html?user=757579;mid=119275790153057389;num=0;page=1
sorry, don't know how to make a graceful link.

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 9:59pm by Aripyanfar

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 10:03pm by Aripyanfar

The problem is he isn't quoting test results from ANY DNA studies. He's quoting data from other types of studies, and usually those ones that show blacks are less intelligent than whites, get debunked later by flaws being pointed out in their methodologies.

For example a study might show that blacks get a lower average on school grades in the USA. Then someone points out that blacks have a lower economic resource than whites on average, (and there are historical reasons why blacks have been actively retarded in growing their economic resources, and the black community as a whole is in catch up mode at this point in history.)

So they run the same figures, but they break people into groups. They compare a group of white students and a group of black students, whose families all are in the same income bracket, and lo and behold, the two groups of students have the same average on school results.

They look at higher or lower income brackets, and the results are the same. The kids, reguardless of their race, whose parents are homeowners and richer, have higher average school results than kids of parents who are poorer and renting.

It's the wealth and education of the parents, who can afford the better healthcare, feed their kids the nutricious fruit and vegetables and keep their kids away from junk food with artificail additives in, who afford extra-curricular activities and can afford to pay for (higher paid) better teachers, that ups the average intelligence of a child, who then turns into a higher average intelligent adult.

Historically speaking, it's social reasons, that is, legal and cultural discrimination against blacks, that have kept them at an economic disadvantage, which has kept them at a (slight) disadvantage in their intelligence levels. Remove the economic disadvantage and the (slight) intelligence disadvantage dissappears.

And if you are going to go back to Africa, and point out what's been going on there all this time, and what the case is at the present moment, then you REALLY have to watch or read Guns, Germs and Steel.

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 10:29pm by Aripyanfar

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 10:32pm by Aripyanfar

Well, duh. DNA "studies" don't tell you what a gene does, only how it interacts with other genes. To see the effects of a genetic difference, you have to observe and "test" other things. That's how, for example, we could point to a gene that might control alcoholism. Not because the gene somehow magically has the words "controls alcoholsim" on it, but because we find that people who suffer from alcoholism tend to have it, while those who can drink and not become alcoholics don't.




Yes he is. However, there's a whole lot of them. Now maybe they're all just generated by racists attempting to find science to support their beliefs. Or maybe they're accurate and those who assume that everyone must be biologically equal don't want to believe it.

I can't say which is correct. But I'm not simply going to assume one of them is just because I like that answer better.



Well. Except that by and large, that isn't the actual results. When they study large groups of people in the same economic conditions (and even in the same geographical locations), quite often they find lower performance levels that line up directly with race.

You'd be much more correct to say that the counter is that blacks are subjected to some racist pressures that whites are not, so this affects their scores on tests in some way. But that's a purely sociological invention. May be true. May not. But mostly we want it to be true so we assume that the gaps in testing are the result of some kind of psychological effects on blacks that causes them to apply themselves less, learn less, and therefore perform on intellectual tests worse then other racial groups.

It's not purely about economic condition. If it was, this debate would have been over a long time ago. Trust me. The reason for this kind of thought is exactly because when we test white and blacks from the exact same socio-economic backgrounds (or as close as we can get), we see discrepancies. That's why the argument that social pressures beyond just how much your parents make and what neighborhood you grew up in and whether your parents are married are the ones used to explain that gap. Because all the stuff we can measure easily doesn't do it.


Which is exactly what Watson's talking about. He's suggesting a genetic explanation for it. And while that's certainly not a politically correct suggestion, that doesn't mean he's not right.



No. They aren't. Hence why there's even a discussion about this.



No. It's not. That's the problem.



And you know that for a fact? Or is it just a sociological theory?

Unfortunately, we can't actually test this theory because at least in this country the political process that's been adopted to "help black folks" has actually resulted in an increased rate of relative poverty among blacks over time. That's an entirely different topic, but what do you think would happen if that economic gap were to disappear but the IQ gap remained?

It's all theory. But some theories get more flak then others...

Cut that **** out.

Don't feel special, I aggressively discourage anyone and everyone from posting retarded smilies and neglecting capitalization. I'm just giving you a chance, a chance I give most everyone, before I start kamping yo karma.

Sure you kan!

In about five thousand more suck-free posts when I actually start respecting what you think.

gbaji rocks.

dear god! O_o

You like to f*ck with me despite my habits?

and broken shift key?

You can be whatever age and however succesful at what you do and the only thing you have left for someone to take away is the reputation you worked a lifetime to build. If you think this scientist or anyone else who has built a huge reputation in whatever field doesn't care about that, then you are deluded.

Today's society is so politically correct that even if he was making a totally scientific statement (which he isn't by the way...just an opinion) he would be condemned and isolated and his rep would be ruined. By making these statements without total conclusive evidence, he has left himself open to ridicule and peer disdain. Reputation gone, thanks for playing.


Edited, Oct 18th 2007 11:46pm by DmzAlpha

O M G! Daboder is right!

Did you quote the right post?

Oh, sorry.

I totally skipped the middle three pages of this thread.