Kerry's plan for Iraq is basically a 4 point plan. Bush is currently doing everything Kerry says he would do. Step up training of Iraqis to do their own work is at the center of it. That is going on btw. Bush should have accentuated that more. Kerry says a summit of the countries in that region is part of his plan. That is already in the works. Bush is on that.
I hate to watch Bush sometimes. He is not a smooth talker by any means. There are many things he does that I do not agree with. I think his immigration policies are misguided. But Bush is a man of action. Like it or not, you know where he stands. If you want to post here and pretend that Kerry has a consistant policy on Iraq, you haven't been paying attention. He has been on so many sides of that issue that it is confusing. Decisiveness always scares the Left. They would wring their hands and try to negotiate with killers. Thier endless resolutions on Iraq in the U.N. just allow them to be indecisive under the guise of "thoughtfull" debate. Talk, Talk, Talk.
Kerry talked about the mess in North Korea. Well we have that mess simply because Madalen Allbright was hoodwinked by Kim Jong Ill. It is a mess inherited by the Bush Administration. Allbright admits she was fooled. Her words, not mine...To think you can bargain with Communists is just wrong headed. You play tough with them. It's the only language they understand. The only time Saddam Hussien did anything was under the threat of force. The Bush Doctrine put action behind the endless words and resolutions of the U.N. Words must mean something or you may as well not speak at all.
The left wants to take the word of murderers and dictators. Each time they do, they lose.
But in fairness, I would give the nod to Kerry last night. He did manage to take what has been a Kaliedescope of positions and blend them, finnally into some semblance of a single, coherent position. My final thought on the matter is that I just cannot vote for a man that would subordinate his duty to protect the American People to the say so of European Socialists. Kerry talked about our actions needing to pass "a global test" Sorry, the other nations of this world do not have veto power over U.S. Foriegn policy decisions.
Bosnia, a problem in Europe's backyard was left to fester until the U.S. took the lead in stopping the genocide. (BTW I'm still pissed that we did nothing in Rwanda. The Belgians were there but once they got a bloody nose, they abandoned those people to die) We are still there carrying the majority of the Bosnia burden. Clinton said we would be there for a year or so. That was how many years ago??
So when the left talks about our lack of a viable "exit strategy" they conveniently forget about the failures of their icon, Slick Willie... His failures gave us the North Korean mess and still have is in Bosnia.
The President did state his exit strategy last night. When his Generals tell him that the Iraqis are ready to defend themselves and have the first freely elected government in place, then and only then can we begin to pull out.
Sorry for the length of this post.
Edited, Fri Oct 1 07:50:41 2004 by KwaiChang
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But Bush is a man of action. Like it or not, you know where he stands.
You do? Really? I sure as hell don't know where he stands, and apparently he doesn't either.
1. Social Security Surplus
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]
2. Patient's Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]
...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]
...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]
3. Tobacco Buyout
BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]
4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]
5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]
...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]
7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]
...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]
9. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]
10. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
11. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
12. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]
13. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]
14. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
15. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]
...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]
16. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]
17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]
18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]
19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony
BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President **** Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]
...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]
20. Gay Marriage
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]
21. Nation Building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]
22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]
...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]
23. U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]
...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]
24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict
BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]
25. Campaign Finance
BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]
...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]
26. 527s
Bush opposes restrictions on 527s: "I also have reservations about the constitutionality of the broad ban on issue advertising [in McCain Feingold], which restrains the speech of a wide variety of groups on issues of public import." [President Bush, 3/27/02]
…Bush says 527s bad for system: "I don't think we ought to have 527s. I can't be more plain about it…I think they're bad for the system. That's why I signed the bill, McCain-Feingold." [President Bush, 8/23/04]
27. Medical Records
Bush says medical records must remain private: "I believe that we must protect…the right of every American to have confidence that his or her personal medical records will remain private." [President Bush, 4/12/01]
…Bush says patients' histories are not confidntial: The Justice Department…asserts that patients "no longer possess a reasonable expectation that their histories will remain completely confidential." [BusinessWeek, 4/30/04]
28. Timelines For Dictators
Bush sets timeline for Saddam: "If Iraq does not accept the terms within a week of passage or fails to disclose required information within 30 days, the resolution authorizes 'all necessary means' to force compliance--in other words, a military attack." [LA Times, 10/3/02]
…Bush says he's against timelines: "I don't think you give timelines to dictators." [President Bush, 8/27/04]
29. The Great Lakes
Bush wants to divert great lakes: "Even though experts say 'diverting any water from the Great Lakes region sets a bad precedent' Bush 'said he wants to talk to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien about piping water to parched states in the west and southwest.'– [AP, 7/19/01]
Bush says he'll never divert Great Lakes: "We've got to use our resources wisely, like water. It starts with keeping the Great Lakes water in the Great Lakes Basin...My position is clear: We're never going to allow diversion of Great Lakes water." [President Bush, 8/16/04]
30. Winning The War On Terror
Bush claims he can win the war on terror: "One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can." [President Bush, 4/13/04]
…Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: "I don't think you can win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/30/04]
…Bush says he will win the war on terror: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/31/04]
Kerry's plan for Iraq is basically a 4 point plan. Bush is currently doing everything Kerry says he would do.
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no, Bush is SAYING he is doing what kerry wants to do, but he is not doing it.
gather a true colition to share the burden:
all talk from Bush. most countries are not willing to help us in iraq BECAUSE of Bush, and the partners we had at the beginning of this campaign are leaving and not being replaced by new ones. we have lost more support since the beginning of this war that gained by a wide margin.
train iraq to police itself:
currently we are supplying the insurgents with training and weapons. was a report in the paper just a couple days ago that an officer in the iraqi police was arrested in connection with attacks on our so called colilition.
hold a summit to gather support from the rest of the world to help fight terrorism around the world:
personally, i think this is going well. weather it is the result of Bush, or the result of attacks around the world by muslim extremist is unclear, but the world is in it with us.
the platform for a world effort to come together to fight terrorist is there, but who would be better able to garner the support from the rest of the world for a cordinated stratagy? Bush, who alienated most of the world? or Kerry, an unknown?
the majority of the free world does not like Bush. he would clearly be the least likely to be able to get the support needed for america to lead this campaign. president Bush is probably disliked by more people throughout the world than osama bin laudin. atleast bin laudin has the support of most muslims, Bush doesnt have the support from anyone but hard core republicans here in the U.S. practically.
Bush didnt miss an opertunity here, there is no opertunity left for him but to get through the door on his way out without the door hitting him in the *****
that said......
i dont think the plan Kerry has will be any more sucessfull than Bush,s plan. this is not a war about changing times to the extremist, no matter what our stated objectives are. this is a war about religion to them.
they are not hate mongers bent on creating a world full of hate. they are people who are willing to die for what they believe is their religion.
for anyone to suceed, religion has to be removed form the conflict.
put an international force of MUSLIM peacekeepers on the ground. go through NATO, the U.N., and the league of arab nations to get them. this in itself will take the religion out of the war in iraq, and all that would be left is some die hard hussin supporters. get all non-muslim forces out of iraq and the fighting will go with it.
bottom line is our style of democracy is in direct conflict with the religion most of the people on this continent believe in, and are willing to die for.
give them their muslim government, and work with them towards moderation. force short of geanocide will not change them untill they are READY to change.
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no, Bush is SAYING he is doing what kerry wants to do, but he is not doing it.
gather a true colition to share the burden:
all talk from Bush. most countries are not willing to help us in iraq BECAUSE of Bush, and the partners we had at the beginning of this campaign are leaving and not being replaced by new ones. we have lost more support since the beginning of this war that gained by a wide margin.
train iraq to police itself:
currently we are supplying the insurgents with training and weapons. was a report in the paper just a couple days ago that an officer in the iraqi police was arrested in connection with attacks on our so called colilition.
hold a summit to gather support from the rest of the world to help fight terrorism around the world:
personally, i think this is going well. weather it is the result of Bush, or the result of attacks around the world by muslim extremist is unclear, but the world is in it with us.
the platform for a world effort to come together to fight terrorist is there, but who would be better able to garner the support from the rest of the world for a cordinated stratagy? Bush, who alienated most of the world? or Kerry, an unknown?
the majority of the free world does not like Bush. he would clearly be the least likely to be able to get the support needed for america to lead this campaign. president Bush is probably disliked by more people throughout the world than osama bin laudin. atleast bin laudin has the support of most muslims, Bush doesnt have the support from anyone but hard core republicans here in the U.S. practically.
Bush didnt miss an opertunity here, there is no opertunity left for him but to get through the door on his way out without the door hitting him in the *****
that said......
i dont think the plan Kerry has will be any more sucessfull than Bush,s plan. this is not a war about changing times to the extremist, no matter what our stated objectives are. this is a war about religion to them.
they are not hate mongers bent on creating a world full of hate. they are people who are willing to die for what they believe is their religion.
for anyone to suceed, religion has to be removed form the conflict.
put an international force of MUSLIM peacekeepers on the ground. go through NATO, the U.N., and the league of arab nations to get them. this in itself will take the religion out of the war in iraq, and all that would be left is some die hard hussin supporters. get all non-muslim forces out of iraq and the fighting will go with it.
bottom line is our style of democracy is in direct conflict with the religion most of the people on this continent believe in, and are willing to die for.
give them their muslim government, and work with them towards moderation. force short of geanocide will not change them untill they are READY to change.
Hahaha, as much as I know I'll get rated down for this... I can't resist.
I think the majority of America originally backed Bush on the war in Iraq, did we not? He made a persuasive argument that turned out to be unfounded...You call it flip-flopping, call it whatever you want. It's pretty obvious why Kerry didn't vote for money etc for the troops. He wants them out of Iraq. If you get confused by that, you don't deserve to vote.
I'm not completely sure here...But, isn't that called diplomacy? Do you think war is the solution to every answer? "They might have weapons of mass destruction, let's invade them!" Where exactly is that same idea in relation to North Korea?
There are many reasons the Roman empire fell, one of them is that they over extended. Would you like to see the same for the US?
During his initial campaign for the presidency, G.W. Bush said that American troops should not be used for nation building; How long have American troops been in Iraq building a nation? The point is, circumstances and plan can and will change.
Like it or not, there are two idiots running for president right now. I know, I made a thread about "vote for Kerry," however, that doesn't mean I like him. That means I think he is the lesser of two evils. Besides, I find it endlessly amusing how quickly my karma dropped after that thread was posted.
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If you want to post here and pretend that Kerry has a consistant policy on Iraq, you haven't been paying attention. He has been on so many sides of that issue that it is confusing.
I think the majority of America originally backed Bush on the war in Iraq, did we not? He made a persuasive argument that turned out to be unfounded...You call it flip-flopping, call it whatever you want. It's pretty obvious why Kerry didn't vote for money etc for the troops. He wants them out of Iraq. If you get confused by that, you don't deserve to vote.
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Decisiveness always scares the Left. They would wring their hands and try to negotiate with killers. Thier endless resolutions on Iraq in the U.N. just allow them to be indecisive under the guise of "thoughtfull" debate. Talk, Talk, Talk.
I'm not completely sure here...But, isn't that called diplomacy? Do you think war is the solution to every answer? "They might have weapons of mass destruction, let's invade them!" Where exactly is that same idea in relation to North Korea?
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Bosnia, a problem in Europe's backyard was left to fester until the U.S. took the lead in stopping the genocide. (BTW I'm still pissed that we did nothing in Rwanda.
There are many reasons the Roman empire fell, one of them is that they over extended. Would you like to see the same for the US?
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Clinton said we would be there for a year or so. That was how many years ago??
During his initial campaign for the presidency, G.W. Bush said that American troops should not be used for nation building; How long have American troops been in Iraq building a nation? The point is, circumstances and plan can and will change.
Like it or not, there are two idiots running for president right now. I know, I made a thread about "vote for Kerry," however, that doesn't mean I like him. That means I think he is the lesser of two evils. Besides, I find it endlessly amusing how quickly my karma dropped after that thread was posted.
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...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
Sorry, this stood out to me.
Saying he is pro-life does not mean he is against abortion.
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Bush missed his period!
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
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BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
At this time, all's well, the economy is good, and it has been a fairly uneventual presidency.
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...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]
At this time, the economy is completely in the *******, everyone is still screaming for blood, and US national pride has been ripped to shreads. Some action had to be taken to try to fix the economy. Bush may not have been happy to take money away from Social Security but the money had to come from somewhere. The plan has fluctuate to the demands of society. If he hadn't changed his plan we would have had no action would leave us still in the *******. One of those times where a bad decision was better than no decision.
After I read that I kind of lost interest in the rest of the post due to the inability to realize the major paradigm shift that occured in between those two articles.
Bush is currently doing everything Kerry says he would do.
Well, that saves me from ever having to take anything you post seriously again.
Get your facts straight next time, fool.
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5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]
That's obviously fake, or sectioned off to disinclude the rest of the sentances. Bush professes to be religious and under no circumstances would he change his view on something his religion was against in the first place; he has always been pro-life.
Edited, Sat Oct 2 05:37:25 2004 by Kelvhand
Decisiveness always scares the Left. They would wring their hands and try to negotiate with killers.
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sooo, either gadaffi is not a killer, or we entered into a time warp and clinton is still president and negotiating with an addmitted murderer of inocent americans?
Hussin NEVER ATTACKED AMERICA outside of Iraqs borders.
Gaddafi DID.
Bush talks a nice hard line, but his actions are as flip floppy as Kerrys speaches.
decisiveness does not scare the left, UNINTELLIGENT decisiveness scares the whole world.
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sooo, either gadaffi is not a killer, or we entered into a time warp and clinton is still president and negotiating with an addmitted murderer of inocent americans?
Hussin NEVER ATTACKED AMERICA outside of Iraqs borders.
Gaddafi DID.
Bush talks a nice hard line, but his actions are as flip floppy as Kerrys speaches.
decisiveness does not scare the left, UNINTELLIGENT decisiveness scares the whole world.
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After I read that I kind of lost interest in the rest of the post due to the inability to realize the major paradigm shift that occured in between those two articles.
Okay... so where was the major paradigm shift that occurred between these two?
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17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]
There are others that are just as valid. But as the old saying goes, there are none so blind as he who will not see.
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If there is any world leader that should be tried for war crimes, he is the man.
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