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#27 Sep 16 2004 at 9:22 PM Rating: Default
no, your messed up for not agreeing.
#28 Sep 17 2004 at 3:52 AM Rating: Decent
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What you wouldn't find Scott Ian beating the **** out of a record executive amusing?





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#29 Sep 17 2004 at 6:43 AM Rating: Decent
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{Radio} = {death}

I can't stand Radio! I get woken up by my step brother every morning by the shower radio, which firstly sounds terrible, secondly has presenters that talk as if theyve smoked about 1million **** a day (including the women...actually, especially the women), and thirdly theres only about 10 songs that are ever played, and they all suck more than a vacuum cleaner on heat! (this is my opinion on English Radio, i hope US radio is better!)

Even though theres the new invention of Digital Radio, which have stations for different genres now, they still all suck, because the number of songs is now limited to 2, and the songs are about 10 years old! Not that i like modern music (well, popular music) anyway, there is never any decent music played! i just know its safe to stick to my CDs...
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#30 Sep 17 2004 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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i hope US radio is better!

Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news....
#31 Sep 17 2004 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Try your local college radio stations... they usually play the best stuff.

and Modest Mouse... heh Talking Heads wannabees!
#32 Sep 17 2004 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
R...A...D...I...O? I gave up on that years ago. They only way you are going to be completly happy is if you make your own CD's to lsiten to. As many people have stated the music of the late 90's to the new mellenium have been nothing but Bought Pop bands being forced to sing, dress and act in a certain way just so the Record companies can make a quick cash grab off of them then and then they repeat the process with an even crappier band. then you have these rap/hip hop guys doing rap covers of old songs and ruining them. NO Rappers are not the only ones doing this. there are a few alternative bands doing it as well. and i am not even going to talk about the trash that all of these "Idol" shows have brought into the industry. not saying they are all bad but there are ALOT of peopel that did not win on an "IDOL" show but have been given record deals. now in some cases this is a good thing, beacuase there were a lot of people that did nto win but can sing!! One of the biggest problems is that Radio staions play stuff that they are told to play. Radio Staions have very little control over what songs are played unless of course it is during a "special" segment of the show. Hell i have even heard of radio staions that have to play a certain amount of a paticullar bands music if that band hsppens to be in the area for a concert. XM Sattelite Radio i think is the way to go.

My .02
#33 Sep 17 2004 at 2:01 PM Rating: Default
modest mouse and talking heads are alike, very abstract bands that always sound different. I still think modest mouse is independent from most any other band. Then again, thats what indie is.
#34 Sep 19 2004 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
All radio is insuperior to XM. If you dislike AM/FM I suggest you get it, it is worth the subscription price if you really badly want to listen. I take a lot of road trips, and it is really handy. The comedy channels are awesome!
#35 Sep 19 2004 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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[link=www.youhavebadtasteinmusic.com] Listen to the man [/link]

Second step: Turn off your radio and television.
#36 Sep 20 2004 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
radio broadcasting is a bussiness.

they sell advertising. and if there are not enough monitary incentives from record labels, they DO NOT play the music.

sooo, what you hear is the crap from the PAYING record labels, and not necessarily the music you want to hear.

get a cd, mp3 player and leave the "pay to listen" radio and xm crap behind. you can buy out napster, but you cant stop free music. all hail the information age.
#37 Sep 20 2004 at 2:55 PM Rating: Default
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KwaiChang wrote:

EDIT: Yousami, I was with you all the way until you asked for Hip-Hop. I think Hip-Hop barely qualifies as music. It is more like "Rythmic Poetry" It lacks melody, not to mention harmony. The artists rarley "sing" They talk. They are not really creative in my opinion. There is alot of sampling. Soon in that Genre, the only songs not sampled will be "Mary Had a Little Lamb" and "The Hokey Pokey"...
As a matter of fact, I think those are the only two songs not "Sampled" by Hip Hoppers
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Edited, Wed Sep 15 22:02:44 2004 by KwaiChang



Something to say about Hip Hop



Music: (myzk)
n.
The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

Hip-Hop
Many deny it the well deserved classification of music, and it saddens me every time. Now if one were to look at the definition of music, and understand that to have a melody, you must have rhythm. For without rhythm, there would be no melody.

Hip Hop and rap emphasize rhythm, so sometimes the subtle melodies get ignored. In fact, there is only one song that i can think of that can even qualify as not having melody, until the chorus come on. It's called "Grindin'" by the Clipse, where the entire song excluding the chorus is completely percussion. I swore it had no melody until one day, I whistled it. The melody is played by a percussive instrument, which sounds like, and may in fact be the sound of thumping the cheek with the mouth open at different degrees to produce different pitches.

Some people say that the melody is too simple and repetitive. However in groove based music, which includes Funk, Disco, and Drum n Bass, this is key to making people dance. You must have the beat, and it has to be simple enough for everyone to hear and groove to.

Harmony is not truly necessary to have a song, yet, knowing and applying harmony make it easier for the listener's brain to recognize the direction that the melody wants to take the listener. Without actual chords, there is ALWAYS an implied harmony. Harmony is always calculated by the lowest bass note being played, and ladies and gentlemen, what is hip hop known for?

That damn bass. In fact, many hip hop producers are replacing their acoustic bass drum sounds with a hip hop legend. An analog 808 drum machine, created in the early 80s by Roland. The reason people favor this is because the sound it produces is like no other. The wave form produces for the bass drum is coincidentally one of the most naturally beautiful waveforms to the human ear. It is a sine wave. The sine wave is a very clean sounding tone, very round, with an exteremely well defined pitch. It is the trademark of Lil' Jon. Pretty much all the songs that shake your car, house, and brain cells from down the street are because of the very resonant tendencies of the sine wave.

Many people say that sampling ruins music. I can understand where this arguement comes from, yet you must understand that ALL MUSICIANS SAMPLE. The way they learn to play is by playing other people's songs. There is not a single interval or melody that hasn't been used before. To actually use one in the same way as a previous artist intentionally is genius. Part of making good music is playing with people's memory. You repeat a theme a few times, and then its stuck in memory. Then you change it, and the brain gets excited. Then you change it back, and the brain has an ******. To use one that the brain already recognizes is not cheating, it's genius.

Many, many, many songs use the most natural chord progession in music, known as IV-V-I. You hear it everyday, and you love it every time, the only thing that makes you think the song is different is, the rhythm, and the melody. They just remix the same songs over and over. So in a sense, all music is Hip Hop, and Hip Hop is all music.


Edited, Mon Sep 20 16:14:39 2004 by laviont
#38 Sep 20 2004 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Coming in kind of late to the topic, but I will give it a go.

Don't... move... to... Germany... EVER!

If you think Radio in the states i bad, then dont move to Germany at all. Ever. Period.

The good songs that get played come from the U.S., and they come along six months after having been out in the U.S. These same songs can get played up to 4 times an hour (maybe more, depending on day/time/station). Repeat this for 6 months, until the new good song from the States six months ago gets here. Oh, and lets not forget playstyle. These people do NOT know how to mix songs. They can jump from hip-hop to slow dance style, to heavy metal, to pop. Back and forth... all day.

Sure, I get one rock station in my town. And guess what? If I go to the next town, I lose reception! Its an alright station. They play good songs most of the time, barring when the crap song is played once every 3 hours.

I just gave up on radio. CD's for music, movie for background noise when I play my game.

I can NOT wait till I come back to the states... out of the military and out of Germany. It will be the good life.
#39 Sep 20 2004 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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By the way, that song is "Take me out" by Franz Ferdinand. Wasn't that one of the main topics of this? Well I guess I was the only one that caught that. But I gave up on radio about three years ago. If you want to find some music that isn't on the mainstream radio, all you have to do is find a local music site and/or music store and see what they say about local music in your city/town. Also your local college radio is a good idea or local TV music shows if you have them. Believe me, once you find ONE band you like that isn't mainstream, it leads to chains and chains of underground/local music love ^^. I'm fifteen and I got involved in my local scene about 2 years ago and I will never go back ^^.
#40 Sep 21 2004 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Music: (myzk)
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The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.


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So in a sense, all music is Hip Hop, and Hip Hop is all music.


yeah, whatever...

I don't see John Paul Jones, or Dave Grohl walking around the streets wanting to 'pop a cap in ya ***'...

Music does not have any definition, it is a sense of expression and also communication between us human beings. so yes, hip hop is music, but that doesnt make it good music! (well, im yours an my opinions that is!)

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I wish there was a radio station with NO commercials(idiom huh?).


BBC 1, BBC 2, BBC 3, BBC 4, BBC 5, BBC 6, BBC 7, BBC Heaven (with no commercials, but annoying people like Sara Cox)

Edited, Tue Sep 21 18:00:10 2004 by Jaffaboy
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#41 Sep 23 2004 at 10:47 AM Rating: Default
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Jaffaboy wrote:


I don't see John Paul Jones, or Dave Grohl walking around the streets wanting to 'pop a cap in ya ***'...


Neither does Nelly.

Led Zeppelin(with John Paul Jones) "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper":

Gave my baby a twenty dollar bill,
If that don't get her, Sure my shot, shot, shot-gun will,
Yeah, I gave my baby a twenty dollar bill,
If that don't get that woman, I'm sure my shot-gun will.

so much for not wanting to 'pop a cap in ya ***.'

And the Foo Fighters(Dave Grohl) did a remix with Puff Daddy of the song "All About the Benjamins." And I'm pretty sure someone was walking around the streets wanting to 'pop a cap in ya ***'...

Oh, and one of John Paul Jones' friends, named Jimmy Page did a song with Puffy. It's called "Come With Me".

Edited, Thu Sep 23 11:53:06 2004 by laviont
#42 Sep 23 2004 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
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My opinion (aka that was my disclaimer):

The recording industry wants music that'll sell. Yes, it's economically favorable, but there's a balance between music that'll sell and music that sounds like everything else. So they all try to copy off whatever's doing well.

Clear Channel Communications currently owns the most U.S. radio stations, somewhere around 2000 nationwide. They also handle a lot of music tours in the U.S. This means that they're pretty closely tied into the recording industry. Radio stations pay royalties to recording companies for playing songs, and those fees are covered with advertising revenue. How are those fees determined? The number of listeners, which for the radio stations we're talking about, consist of people who follow the recording industry's and radio stations' mindset.

If people stop listening to cookie-cutter music the industry will be forced to look at that thing called creativity.
#43 Sep 24 2004 at 3:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Neither does Nelly.

Led Zeppelin(with John Paul Jones) "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper":

Gave my baby a twenty dollar bill,
If that don't get her, Sure my shot, shot, shot-gun will,
Yeah, I gave my baby a twenty dollar bill,
If that don't get that woman, I'm sure my shot-gun will.

so much for not wanting to 'pop a cap in ya ***.'

And the Foo Fighters(Dave Grohl) did a remix with Puff Daddy of the song "All About the Benjamins." And I'm pretty sure someone was walking around the streets wanting to 'pop a cap in ya ***'...

Oh, and one of John Paul Jones' friends, named Jimmy Page did a song with Puffy. It's called "Come With Me".


Yeah, yeah, ok. BUT...

The guys that do that, they do it for fun. The problem with that not only it being one of the most idiotic leisure activities to carry out, it influences people who look up to them, and they then think its cool to shoot people too! I have no problem with Rap, Hip-Hop or whatever (one of my favourite bands Incubus has a DJ in it, and its great!) in general, if people like the music, its fine. Its just the reputation that some have, as just plain idiots.

Also, just a question, but why does Nelly have a white plaster on the side of his face?
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#44 Sep 24 2004 at 6:50 AM Rating: Decent
Dear Sir laviont,

I still think Hip-Hop is "Rythmic Poetry" Since the main chactaristic of Hip-Hip is Rythm then I will stick to my idea. Rythm is defined as "Measured motion in time." That works for me...Rythmic Poetry certainly is a valid art form. But it ain't music. If you will say that every tone comming from the mouth of a human is melodic in some basic way, no matter how simplistic or banal, then ok you win. I just expect something more. Yes, there are musicians involved with the creation of this art form. But Sir, please don't try to sell me the idea that "All music is Hip-Hop and Hip-Hop is all music." All music is not Hip-Hop. That is absurd on it's face.

As for you contention that all musicians sample. They do not. Sampling is actually taking a digital splice, verbatum from another artists song, and inserting it into your song. Artists do take the ideas of other artists and listen to them in their heads and take something away or add something to it, making it their own. They inject themselves into it. Take the band "YES" and thier song "Owner of a Lonely Heart" They took the horn section of "Earth, Wind and Fire" They sampled the tones and pitch of that legendary horn section. They recreated the interplay of those great musicians. They then took that and created their own melody and harmony for their creation. They created something unique from something great from the past. As someone who made a living as a musician for several years having wrote songs and been in the studio, I can tell you that subliminaly, you may be ripping someone off. That guitar lick, melody or lyric might pop into your head and you don't make the connection. Ask George Harrison about "My Sweet Lord"

But in the final anyalsis, Hip-Hop is talking about one of three things. Sex, Money and Violence. It's main message is the aqusition of the first two through the use and glorification of the third. It is not only degrading to Women, it is degrading to Humanity. It caters to our base instincts. It puts the rule of the Jungle, not the rule of man or of law as it's central precept. It does not elevate us, it pulls us away from our potential.
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About sampling, you are pretty correct. But whats the difference between using a sampler as your instrument, or a piano. Rhythmic poetry in itself is music. The thing that you are looking for is a obviously melodic lead line. Rappers are not as monotone as you are saying. Subtle melodic changes are present and obvious to people who listen to the music. You are thinking in semitones and larger intervals, while there are many complex in between notes, that in fact decide the harmonic scale in use. But besides the voice, if you take just the instrumental alone, would you say its music? And if so, once you add the voice, is it no longer music? Why? Because the pitch is a B flat through 90% of the verse?
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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/08/10/choiottawa040810.html

This radio station wakes me up every morning. :)
#47 Sep 25 2004 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Rappers are not as monotone as you are saying. Subtle melodic changes are present and obvious to people who listen to the music.


Good point. Now if they could only lose the violent content. Kanye West has some talent but he's a flash in the pan schmuck.

Anyone who lives in the Chicago Area like myself will agree that 93.1 WXRT is one of the greatest radio stations on the planet. It's a cross between an indie college station and a '90s nuevo-folk/oldies trading post.

BTW- Is anyone aware of legal ways to download Beatles tunes? This Apple Computer/ Apple Corps legal battle is really irking me.
#48 Sep 27 2004 at 4:01 AM Rating: Decent
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But whats the difference between using a sampler as your instrument, or a piano.


Because its lazy! Anyone can learn to use a sampler, its modern technology, but it takes years and years of practise to play a piano properly, theres more time and energy into playing a manual instrument. Thats why im passionate about the music i like, not only because it sounds good to me, but the artists are proper musicians. But, if you like it, i have no beef

Now decks, theyre different. Theres skill involved in DJing, and i respect that. I even like some of the stuff they produce, but listening to some guy talking about killing his family with a crow bar, with a more or less monotone voice, with a 'tune' in the background which is more or less one note, or ripped off someone else, its just not my cuppa tea...

Now lets get back to topic, shall we?
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#49 Sep 27 2004 at 5:00 AM Rating: Default
Holy ****, man... what the hell is everyone's problem with hip-hop music? Are you people upset that it was once considered to be a fad in the 70s, but then grew to be THE most popular form of music, and is constantly used today in the mainstream to sell products? What the hell is all this talk about "Hip-hop is all money, sex and violence"?! Would you like it if I stereotyped all rock music being about doing cocaine/heroin, hating life because your girlfriend left you, and being eager to slit your wrists!? **** no, and I know better than that because not all rock is like that!

Do you ********* even KNOW what you're talking about, or do you just group every black person with a mic as a gangsta rapper? Do you just group them all as hip-hop? Rap music comes in a ******** of forms, and most of you idiots are stuck on the idea that all rap is gangsta rap... wtf are you smoking?! What about Talib Kweli? Mos Def? Common? The Roots? Hell, even the Black Eyed Peas! AND, many of these "gangsta rappers" have much deeper content in the actual ALBUM than that of a ******* single... dammit, do some research before you talk any **** on something you're absolutely clueless about!

Do you even know what REAL hip-hop heads listen for when they pop in whatever record they did?! LYRICS. DELIVERY. CONTENT. Punchlines! If the wordplay is put together in a clever way, we LOVE it! Ugh... man, you one track minded fools have NO idea about things, you learn about 5% of something, and then base the rest of the 95% off of the 5%...

And about your views on people sampling... oh boy, don't even get me started there...

/slaps idiots

/end minirant

And the moral of the story today kiddies, is don't talk about what you absolutely have know ******* clue about...
#50 Sep 27 2004 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Because they play the same crap over and over again. I haven't listened to the radio in months. Just let my 60 CD system random play through some of the best hard rock/ metal bands out there.
#51 Sep 27 2004 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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because you're old and "un-cool".


/sarcasm off
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