By CHUCK OXLEY, Associated Press Writer
BOISE, Idaho - The expiration Monday of a 10-year federal ban on assault weapons means firearms like AK-47s, Uzis and TEC-9s can now be legally bought — a development that has critics upset and gun owners pleased.
The 1994 ban, signed by President Clinton, outlawed 19 types of military-style assault weapons. A clause directed that the ban expire unless Congress specifically reauthorized it, which it did not.
Studies done by pro- and antigun groups as well as the Justice Department show conflicting results on whether the ban helped reduce crime. Loopholes allowed manufacturers to keep many weapons on the market simply by changing their names or altering some of their features or accessories.
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what they mean by military-style weapons are the ones that have a magazine with more than 10 rounds and atleast two of the following:
-a pistol grip
-a bayonet clasp
-a flash suppressor
-a grenade launcher
Anyone has been able to go out and buy weapons like AK-47s for a long time and the weapons like uzis and tec-9s are only illegal with the 1934 firearms ban that has been and will remain in effect.
-a pistol grip
-a bayonet clasp
-a flash suppressor
-a grenade launcher
Anyone has been able to go out and buy weapons like AK-47s for a long time and the weapons like uzis and tec-9s are only illegal with the 1934 firearms ban that has been and will remain in effect.
The expiration of this 'ban' makes little difference.
Now I can buy another 30 round clip for my .22 rifle. Woot, I'll put it with the 5 spares I bought before the ban clamped down. Like restricting a maniac to 10 round clips is going to save a lot of lives. If he's got time to shoot 30 people, he probably has time to change clips. And it's not as if only 10 dead people in a shootout would slip below the radar where 30 would set off bells and whistles.
This 'ban' had little effect on the common consumer and no effect on the illegal operator market. It was good press at the time it was put into place but little more. That's why it's being allowed a fairly quiet death. Pubbies don't want to bring it up because nobody wants to be too 'Pro-gun' right now (all it takes is one nutjob shooting a place up to make you look REAL bad) and Dems don't want to bring it up because they'll get blasted for ineffective legislation (regardless of who voted for it back then, it was put through while Clinton was in office, so the Pubbies will say it was Dem legislation).
So, for once, a piece of trash legislation gets laid to rest with little fanfare. Good.
Now I can buy another 30 round clip for my .22 rifle. Woot, I'll put it with the 5 spares I bought before the ban clamped down. Like restricting a maniac to 10 round clips is going to save a lot of lives. If he's got time to shoot 30 people, he probably has time to change clips. And it's not as if only 10 dead people in a shootout would slip below the radar where 30 would set off bells and whistles.
This 'ban' had little effect on the common consumer and no effect on the illegal operator market. It was good press at the time it was put into place but little more. That's why it's being allowed a fairly quiet death. Pubbies don't want to bring it up because nobody wants to be too 'Pro-gun' right now (all it takes is one nutjob shooting a place up to make you look REAL bad) and Dems don't want to bring it up because they'll get blasted for ineffective legislation (regardless of who voted for it back then, it was put through while Clinton was in office, so the Pubbies will say it was Dem legislation).
So, for once, a piece of trash legislation gets laid to rest with little fanfare. Good.
That is pretty much right.. being in the military for the last five years, our regular issue magazine is 30 rounds.. I have pretty much collected around 40 thirty round magazine that do not say "for military or police use only" or whatever.. not that it matters as of today though.. but was something to do.. on another note.. while i was stationed at Ft. Bragg I was able to goto the local army surplus store and buy 30 round mags all day long for about $10 per
this ban has had significant impact in south florida, especially in gang related crimes.
yes, if you want them, you can still get them, BUT, you are less likely to be carrying them around, as you can be arrested on sight for just having them in posession.
the ban needs to be reinstated, and modified to include more weapons and with harsher penalties.
allowing an 18 year old kid to posses a fully automatic weapon is just insane. the military is one thing where you are in a highly controlled enviroment, but on the street?
just stupid.
im all for collectors owning them. but they should NOT be available to anyone who wants them, and even the ones the collectors own should be licensed with a stiff anual fee.
the best defensive weapon in a home is a 12 guage shotgun. an automatic weapon will just get someone else killed. probably you when someone comes to steal it.
yes, if you want them, you can still get them, BUT, you are less likely to be carrying them around, as you can be arrested on sight for just having them in posession.
the ban needs to be reinstated, and modified to include more weapons and with harsher penalties.
allowing an 18 year old kid to posses a fully automatic weapon is just insane. the military is one thing where you are in a highly controlled enviroment, but on the street?
just stupid.
im all for collectors owning them. but they should NOT be available to anyone who wants them, and even the ones the collectors own should be licensed with a stiff anual fee.
the best defensive weapon in a home is a 12 guage shotgun. an automatic weapon will just get someone else killed. probably you when someone comes to steal it.
I'm at a stand still on this issue honestly. I will go ahead and say that I don't know everything on this issue, so I will probably be proven wrong somewhere in this thread.
I agree having this ban lifted, soley(sp?) for the 2nd amendment.
We do have the right to bear arms.
BUT, I also believe the ban should be re-instated(by majority vote). Bushie said that he wants it re-instated as well but won't push for it at all, for he does not want to **** off the NRA.(Correct yay nay? Dunno... what I heard on radio.)
Though it was put it during the democrats, doesn't mean that they are to blame. Cause there are democrats as well in the NRA that don't want the Ban re-instated. It to me is touchy on both sides.
Quote :
"allowing an 18 year old kid to posses a fully automatic weapon is just insane. the military is one thing where you are in a highly controlled enviroment, but on the street?
just stupid."
All I can think about is Columbine whn he mentioned that. Very scary. Though I'm now 21 and don't attend a highschool whos to say it couldn't happen on college campus or in the work place.
One big point that I have heard numerous times on the radio(105.3 FM Atlanta Real Radio) Is the fear for the safety of our police , and other armed forces that deal with such violence every day. For now I say I'm 60% for having it re-instated and 40% for it just to never be brought up again.
If someone can show me numbers via link to a credited news source(please other than CNN thats all I watch while I work here). Then i might be able to have a more legit opinion and be able to argue with the smart people on these forums...... such as Smasharoo... hes proved me wrong many a times... damn intelligent folks.
Well yall take it easy.
- Brian ... since my internet here at work is acting up... if yall have a legit e-mail to send me I can check it via intranet. Please no spam. Cause I won't get it.
brian.wheeler@cnn.com
Thanks.
Though I do agree with shadowrealm on somethings....
I agree having this ban lifted, soley(sp?) for the 2nd amendment.
We do have the right to bear arms.
BUT, I also believe the ban should be re-instated(by majority vote). Bushie said that he wants it re-instated as well but won't push for it at all, for he does not want to **** off the NRA.(Correct yay nay? Dunno... what I heard on radio.)
Though it was put it during the democrats, doesn't mean that they are to blame. Cause there are democrats as well in the NRA that don't want the Ban re-instated. It to me is touchy on both sides.
Quote :
"allowing an 18 year old kid to posses a fully automatic weapon is just insane. the military is one thing where you are in a highly controlled enviroment, but on the street?
just stupid."
All I can think about is Columbine whn he mentioned that. Very scary. Though I'm now 21 and don't attend a highschool whos to say it couldn't happen on college campus or in the work place.
One big point that I have heard numerous times on the radio(105.3 FM Atlanta Real Radio) Is the fear for the safety of our police , and other armed forces that deal with such violence every day. For now I say I'm 60% for having it re-instated and 40% for it just to never be brought up again.
If someone can show me numbers via link to a credited news source(please other than CNN thats all I watch while I work here). Then i might be able to have a more legit opinion and be able to argue with the smart people on these forums...... such as Smasharoo... hes proved me wrong many a times... damn intelligent folks.
Well yall take it easy.
- Brian ... since my internet here at work is acting up... if yall have a legit e-mail to send me I can check it via intranet. Please no spam. Cause I won't get it.
brian.wheeler@cnn.com
Thanks.
Though I do agree with shadowrealm on somethings....
I'm not much of a gun person, so anyone feel free to answer. This isn't a critism, I really just wanna know, what would someone need a gun (that fell under this ban) for exactly? The only legal safe thing I can think of would be a collection, right?
But then again I've never even seen a gun in my life, so if I'm completely off just say so.
But then again I've never even seen a gun in my life, so if I'm completely off just say so.
Guns are cool.
/goes back to lewdly stroking the barrel of his ChiCom SKS
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/goes back to lewdly stroking the barrel of his ChiCom SKS
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I'm not much of a gun person, so anyone feel free to answer. This isn't a critism, I really just wanna know, what would someone need a gun (that fell under this ban) for exactly? The only legal safe thing I can think of would be a collection, right?
But then again I've never even seen a gun in my life, so if I'm completely off just say so.
But then again I've never even seen a gun in my life, so if I'm completely off just say so.
This has been addressed all over the place, but just for the record, the ban didn't really affect any guns. It affected guns with certain modifications, and took certain guns off the market for about 3 days until they were changed to be 'legal'.
It was good press at the time, though.
There is zero benefit to anyone by alowing the ban to expire. None, nada, zero.
It'll be picked back up and signed by Bush in a few weeks when Police Unions start ******** about it, anyway. It's a PR move more than anything.
It'll be picked back up and signed by Bush in a few weeks when Police Unions start ******** about it, anyway. It's a PR move more than anything.
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So after Bush claims to support it, refuses to encourage Congress to pass it and then picks it up for the police unions, will that be a flip-flop-flip?
I give him an 8.5
I give him an 8.5
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Nah, when Bush filp-flops all over the place like a fish on the sidewalk, it's "Listening to the will of the people." Then Bush will look confusedly at the prompter for about 10 seconds and say "That's what we do in a dem oh crazy." Followed by his smug "don't you ******* get it??" look.
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"Guns don't kill people. Stupid mother f'uckers with guns kill people."
- Chris Tucker
.. may his acting career R.I.P.
- Chris Tucker
.. may his acting career R.I.P.
this ban has had significant impact in south florida, especially in gang related crimes.
yes, if you want them, you can still get them, BUT, you are less likely to be carrying them around, as you can be arrested on sight for just having them in posession.
the ban needs to be reinstated, and modified to include more weapons and with harsher penalties.
allowing an 18 year old kid to posses a fully automatic weapon is just insane. the military is one thing where you are in a highly controlled enviroment, but on the street?
So today the gangs just run around with thier AK-47's and tec-9's but prior to the ban they kept them locked up or something? You still cant walk around downtown Miami with an AK-47 . And as TS pointed out the ban was cosmetic. I am all for banning assault type weapons. Who the hell needs a working AK-47 or UZI? But if your going to do it do it right. Otherwise what's the point.
yes, if you want them, you can still get them, BUT, you are less likely to be carrying them around, as you can be arrested on sight for just having them in posession.
the ban needs to be reinstated, and modified to include more weapons and with harsher penalties.
allowing an 18 year old kid to posses a fully automatic weapon is just insane. the military is one thing where you are in a highly controlled enviroment, but on the street?
So today the gangs just run around with thier AK-47's and tec-9's but prior to the ban they kept them locked up or something? You still cant walk around downtown Miami with an AK-47 . And as TS pointed out the ban was cosmetic. I am all for banning assault type weapons. Who the hell needs a working AK-47 or UZI? But if your going to do it do it right. Otherwise what's the point.
It's not cosmetic if it gets one Uzi toting thug, or more importantly the guy who sells him the Uzi, off the streets.
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Was it that ban or one of the dozen or so other applicable laws that he broke that got him off the street?
shadowrelm wrote:
this ban has had significant impact in south florida, especially in gang related crimes.
yes, if you want them, you can still get them, BUT, you are less likely to be carrying them around, as you can be arrested on sight for just having them in posession.
the ban needs to be reinstated, and modified to include more weapons and with harsher penalties.
allowing an 18 year old kid to posses a fully automatic weapon is just insane. the military is one thing where you are in a highly controlled enviroment, but on the street?
just stupid.
im all for collectors owning them. but they should NOT be available to anyone who wants them, and even the ones the collectors own should be licensed with a stiff anual fee.
the best defensive weapon in a home is a 12 guage shotgun. an automatic weapon will just get someone else killed. probably you when someone comes to steal it.
yes, if you want them, you can still get them, BUT, you are less likely to be carrying them around, as you can be arrested on sight for just having them in posession.
the ban needs to be reinstated, and modified to include more weapons and with harsher penalties.
allowing an 18 year old kid to posses a fully automatic weapon is just insane. the military is one thing where you are in a highly controlled enviroment, but on the street?
just stupid.
im all for collectors owning them. but they should NOT be available to anyone who wants them, and even the ones the collectors own should be licensed with a stiff anual fee.
the best defensive weapon in a home is a 12 guage shotgun. an automatic weapon will just get someone else killed. probably you when someone comes to steal it.
Sorry.. when i said that you could have gotten them anyway.. I meant legally.. without a federal firearms license you you cant buy a fully automatic weapon
kaiilyn wrote:
I'm not much of a gun person, so anyone feel free to answer. This isn't a critism, I really just wanna know, what would someone need a gun (that fell under this ban) for exactly? The only legal safe thing I can think of would be a collection, right?
But then again I've never even seen a gun in my life, so if I'm completely off just say so.
But then again I've never even seen a gun in my life, so if I'm completely off just say so.
I was in the army for some time and I wouldnt mind having the same weapon that I had while i was in. The reason I couldnt have one before the ban was lifted was for one thing.. a flash suppressor
DamthebiTch wrote:
So today the gangs just run around with thier AK-47's and tec-9's but prior to the ban they kept them locked up or something? You still cant walk around downtown Miami with an AK-47 . And as TS pointed out the ban was cosmetic. I am all for banning assault type weapons. Who the hell needs a working AK-47 or UZI? But if your going to do it do it right. Otherwise what's the point.
So in response to that.. AK47s have not been illegal. Uzis have not been illegal.. AR-15s have not been illegal..
So in response to that.. AK47s have not been illegal. Uzis have not been illegal.. AR-15s have not been illegal..
That's a good argument for a stronger ban, but a bad one for letting the current one expire.
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If banning automobiles gets one psycho drunk driver off the streets I am all for it. Less cars less accidents and crime involving them correct? My gun collection has never harmed anything more a paper targets. Its strange when you are involved or use a particular product you tend to have a clearer understanding of what its ok to ban or not ban. I Know when it affects me or my interest I am much more careful not to accept what I hear in the media but investigate for myself to decide what I believe based on as many facts as possible. Notice I used the word Facts not statistics unfortunately both sides of this issue tend to misuse stats. It’s our Second amendment Right plain and simple If there is any question as to that fact read the constitution and the federalist papers for a clearer understanding. If a dumb guy like me can read it and understand the point of view of its framers then anyone can. Don’t be led strictly by your emotions Take the time to study the issue then decide or don’t take sides Just my rant See in EQ BAZ Time to die Snow Bunny wish I had my AK 
Edited, Tue Sep 14 13:31:43 2004 by Baztek
Edited, Tue Sep 14 13:31:43 2004 by Baztek
I have the right to bare arms. This is yet another reason why I hate democrats. But then again, Michael Moore brought up a good point in Bowling for Columbine. Which was what do they mean by arms? I dont think that the average American should have grenades, bombs, etc etc etc. By bare arms they werent specific, I cant buy a nuclear bomb and store it next to my gun shelf can I? Nope, nor should I be aloud to. This is a law that definatly needs to be limited. I don't feel that the gun restriction law should be restricted for assault rifles. The blast of a shotgun can be far more devistating then an uzi up close. A gun is a gun, and it can kill somebody. If your going to ban assault rifles, why not all guns? I feel that we should have the right to own an assault rifle just as we could a hand gun or a less powerful .22 rifle. The only real difference I feel is a cosmetic difference. If the D.C. snipers killed their victims with a .22 would they ban rifles that can be used for sport? Anyways, Im for guns and always will be. So, if any of those bastards try to ban my right to own a gun, I will come and find them my self and kill them with and stab them with a brute thrust of force through the chest.
Btw, that last post was at those was a post I got from vn boards when I searched a michael moore thread. I hit enter to fast, but, I thought it was pretty cool. And I agree with it 100% :-)
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