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#102 Sep 13 2004 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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2004 HHS Poverty Guidelines

Column 1, Size of Family Unit
Column 2, 48 Contiguous States and DC
Column 3, Alaska
Column 4, Hawaii

1 $ 9,310 $11,630 $10,700
2 $12,490 $15,610 $14,360
3 $15,670 $19,590 $18,020
4 $18,850 $23,570 $21,680
5 $22,030 $27,550 $25,340
6 $25,210 $31,530 $29,000
7 $28,390 $35,510 $32,660
8 $31,570 $39,490 $36,320

For each additional
person, add 3,180 3,980 3,660

SOURCE: Federal Register, Vol. 69, No. 30, February 13, 2004, pp. 7336-7338.

If you're at the poverty level at $27,000 a year, I strongly suggest you look into birth control.
#103 Sep 13 2004 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
Ghanha


How dare you say that I don't deserve my freedom. No true Patriotic american should EVER say that a human being doesn't deserve freedom. And you call me unpatriotic.


I hope some day that the tolerant people ride your sorry incest, gun wavering, KKK redneck republican *** out of this country.


For all your talk about american values you have no concept of the spirit of america.


How do you find time to post on here dont you have some colored folk you should be lynching or something.

Edited, Mon Sep 13 18:22:29 2004 by PieMan
#104 Sep 13 2004 at 6:31 PM Rating: Decent
If you're at the poverty level at $27,000 a year, I strongly suggest you look into birth control.
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the guidlines are a joke.

just TRY to raise a single child on 27,000 dollars. you MIGHT be able to afford a place to live on that, along with electricity and a phone even, but forget car insurance, health insurance, monthly trips to the pediatrician, dental care.
#105 Sep 13 2004 at 7:54 PM Rating: Default
shadowrelm wrote:
If you're at the poverty level at $27,000 a year, I strongly suggest you look into birth control.
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the guidlines are a joke.

just TRY to raise a single child on 27,000 dollars. you MIGHT be able to afford a place to live on that, along with electricity and a phone even, but forget car insurance, health insurance, monthly trips to the pediatrician, dental care.


Have, and did. Granted, I live in the south where the general cost of living is less than some other places in the country. But, I have done very well with my 17k a year for myself and my daughter in the past when I was single. 10K more a year would have been wonderful, but we didn't go without any of life's necessities.

Didn't I already cover this?
#106REDACTED, Posted: Sep 13 2004 at 8:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hmmm... if you dont support freedom, you dont deserve freedom. You speak of equality, designing a system that doesnt offend any one. Which would mean making people conform. Well I dont want to conform, Im not an equal nor would I be treated as one because Id be disrupting what you have. Liberal idealism is almost complete marxism minus the one leader part. If you strife for equality, you strife for fascism. And
#107 Sep 13 2004 at 11:26 PM Rating: Decent
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If you had to vote me or Pie for president, who would you honostley vote


Well, for starters Ghanha, I would vote for the person who had more than a middle school education, which you don't seem to have. As it has been noted before, if you want to be taken seriously, you might want to take a look at your grammar and especially your spelling, before making a post. I have a strong suspicion that my 6 year old niece can probably spell better than you can.

You keep writing that liberals are communists, again, do you even know what the definition of liberal is? To be a liberal means that you don't think that what we are doing is working that we need to change things for the betterment of society. If you don't think that the current welfare system is working and you want to change it, well then by golly, you're a liberal.

To be a citizen of the US means that you should abide by the laws of this country. I am not saying that you shouldn't use racist terms, that is your right by the constitution, and as much as I would disagree with your views, I will defend that right - just as I would expect you to defend it if you are a citizen of the USA.

However, you seem to have a problem with this country more than the liberals do, so I would probably suggest that you might want to think about moving to another country if you don't like it here. You don't seem to like anyone who is not white, so maybe you want to try some really white countries like, I don't know, Finland or Iceland.

Edited, Tue Sep 14 00:28:53 2004 by kundalini
#108 Sep 14 2004 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
Dude if you really wanna be like hitler then yes you defintlaty are a conservative and you need some serious psycological help dude. Seriously if you idolize Hitler than you really should seek some professional help.
#109 Sep 14 2004 at 8:14 AM Rating: Default
Wow its amazing how a simple post on VOte For Bush has turned into a racial and political debate. WOW
#110 Sep 14 2004 at 8:28 AM Rating: Default
AzrielDuordden wrote:
Wow its amazing how a simple post on VOte For Bush has turned into a racial and political debate. WOW


Yes, because we all know that the words "vote for..." have nothing to do with politics. Nothing at all.

Which rock did you decide to slither out from under? I'd like to label it next time I play "Whak-A-Mole" at Chuck-E.-Cheese's. My best score in that game is higher than democcrats have reasons for making Kerry the democratic presidential candidate, and that score is in the single digits on both accounts.
#111 Sep 14 2004 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
Shh, you'll clue him in.
#112 Sep 14 2004 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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This is going to sound sarcastic, Ghanha, but I'm really being serious. Do you hate Jews? Don't get huffy; I'm not accusing you of being a racist. I'm just asking a question. I mean, if you are, that's fine. You have that right as an American citizen. The Constitution doesn't guarantee anyone the right to 'freedom from being offended,' so you can talk whatever trash you wish about someone you don't agree with.

Oh, and the PATRIOT Act is quite possibly the single greatest travesty that American Civil Liberties has ever experienced. Just figured I'd throw that out there.
#113 Sep 14 2004 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
I found myself silently disagreeing with the definition of conservative and liveral in a couple of posts. So, like any good little conformist, I trotted off to take a few political assesment quizzes to see where they scored me and how consistent they'd be. In the process, I found this:

http://www.geocities.com/donaldjhagen/humoroustest.html
#114REDACTED, Posted: Sep 14 2004 at 2:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hate is a big word there, I dont truely hate anyone unless they take it to a personal level and humiliate the living hell out of me or hit a spot that really bothers me. Kind of hard to say that millions of people did that unless your an Afghani pointing fingures at Russians who supported the invasion of Afghanistan. I do see Jews for what they are and hate their behaviors. Since I am a Jew, I know what to be a Jew means, and dont say white conservative because the majority of Jews are some type of a democrat. Does this not give me the right to hate Jews? I know what a Jew is, I've seen my families Jew friends and my family. I just dislike with a passion :-)
#115REDACTED, Posted: Sep 14 2004 at 2:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I strongly agree.
#116 Sep 14 2004 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
Ghanha wrote:
In a wierd way we all idolize Hitler whether we admit it or not.


Speak for yourself.
#117REDACTED, Posted: Sep 14 2004 at 3:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Why dont you listen to your sig.
#118 Sep 14 2004 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
Ghanha wrote:
Why dont you listen to your sig.


Because it doesn't apply to me.

Why don't you reflect on why you idolize Hitler. I appreciate the demonstration for why Republicans are labeled as fascists.

Edited, Tue Sep 14 18:06:37 2004 by Mindspirals
#119 Sep 14 2004 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Because I just *had* to jump in here...

Ghanha is perhaps the most hilaroius poster I've seen in my short time on these boards.

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My grammar usage isnt THAT bad


I counted twelve errors in grammar, spelling, word usage, et al. in just that paragraph. I could point them all out if you wish.

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I'm glad you agree to defend my right. Liberals try to take that right away by enforcing their P.C. sh*t and this is why I want liberals dead.


Ahh, I see. (Supposedly) attempting to take away your rights isn't okay, but killing people *is*! I see the light now! Glory, amen, hallelujah, etc.!

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In a wierd way we all idolize Hitler whether we admit it or not. Being that we all want everyone to just conform in some kind of a way so you can live your ideal life.


Speak for yourself. I don't wish conformity upon anyone, and I doubt the vast majority of liberals do either.

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Hitler just killed Jews to pursue his idea of a utopia just as you push your p.c. on Americans.


Right... it had nothing *at all* to do with the rampant anti-Semitism in Europe pre-WWII, *or* the fact that the guy was out of his mind. He just did it so he could pursue a magical happy-land where all the ethnically-pure Germans could live in peace!

I find it disturbing, to say the least, that, once again, you complain of liberals "taking away your freedoms" and then state that it's okay for you to do the very same thing to others. Oh, wait, I forgot, you're not advocating taking away their freedoms. Just their lives.

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He was more a sucsess then you are, I would love to see you kill 6 million Jews, dictate a nation and squash Europe and Eurasia like a grape.


Um... isn't Europe *in* Eurasia? Ahem, anyway, next quote...

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I do see Jews for what they are and hate their behaviors.


And I see inbred racist Southerners for what they are and hate their behaviors... oh, wait, I'd better not stereotype lest I be called a fascist liberal.

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See? Hilarious!
#120 Sep 14 2004 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
Mindspirals wrote:
Ghanha wrote:
Why dont you listen to your sig.


Because it doesn't apply to me.

Why don't you reflect on why you idolize Hitler. I appreciate the demonstration for why Republicans are labeled as fascists.

Edited, Tue Sep 14 18:06:37 2004 by Mindspirals


so republicans are fascists and democrats are socialists?
#121 Sep 14 2004 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, write a 10-page paper on that by tomorrow.

#122 Sep 14 2004 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
I dont like to stereotype people but it has become very clear ghana that you what people commonly refer to as the right wing Nut job.

You are worse that Geroge W. Bush and it takes a LOT to be able to say that.

Not even bush would go around saying they idolize hitler.

I sincerly hope that one day your whole family is indicted in a corporate scandal and you lose all you money. Then I'll laugh as we don't give you and welfare.

Then when you die from sickness from being poor I hope that you burn in hell for all eternity and i know you will cause you don't know how to be a decent human being.

Die you gun wavering, KKK loving, niggar lynching, homophobic, White Supremisist, Sister *******, white conservative piece of trailer park trash.
#123 Sep 14 2004 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
I havent had time to read this whole forum except for scanning the last 4 or 5 posts. And I do mean scanning.

But when I read this...

Die you gun wavering, KKK loving, niggar lynching, homophobic, White Supremisist, Sister @#%^ing, white conservative piece of trailer park trash."

*slap* 0wned *ouch*

#124 Sep 14 2004 at 8:36 PM Rating: Decent
Before you criticize me please go see how much of a racists ghanna is
#125 Sep 14 2004 at 8:41 PM Rating: Good
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kundalini wrote:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759


While I'm not the biggest fan of the Patriot Act myself, I bolded that bit above for a reason. Much of our problem in this nation is an obsessive holding on to "non-essential" liberties to the point of ridiculousness.

The protesters sitting in front of businesses believe that it's a violation of their liberties to be forced to move. Of course, to the shopowner, it's a violation of his liberties (and his property) for them to be there.

We're not talking about absolutes here folks. As stated above. There are reasonable things you can give up in the name of security. The "essential liberties" that Ben was talking about were things like legal representation and recourse, and due process, and the like. He was certainly not saying that giving up the liberty to carry sharp objects on an airplane in order to be more secure on said airplane was bad.

I also severly doubt he was referring to preventing law enforcement from being able to investigate anything either. Heck. The concept of privacy *from* government is something that we've developed since his time. Back then there were no Miranda Rights, wire tapping laws, and no assurance of private conversations or restriction from the use of such things in court. Ben was a visionary to be sure, but he certainly wasn't talking about someone's liberty to send messages across the internet without anyone else being able to read them. The Patriot Act, for all that it infringes on our privacy and liberties in the context of today's interpretation of such things, would not have been viewed as an overly powerful Act in Ben's day.
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#126 Sep 14 2004 at 8:49 PM Rating: Decent
Pieman I was actually laughing at the comment you said. I was saying that you Owned him. Atleast thats what I intended to mean by that.

Sorry though heh. Didnt criticize ya though =P
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