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Its funny to hear republicans telling the poor they should get jobs. The republican party gives tax breaks to companies for outsourcing jobs. therefore all these theroetical jobs no longer exist yet you tell people to go take thme o.O The only thing thats left is minimum wage jobs which cannot pay the bills.

I also laugh when i hear people talk about communism like its the devil. First off you associating communism with stalin way too much. Stalin was basically a dictator like Hitler, or Saddam, Or George W. Bush. :P

Communism in theory is a system where we all work together for one another where everybody is provided for instead of having poor vs wealth classes. I'm all for equality.


Now stop talking about communism like its a bad thing.

Its biggot ******** like you that ruin this country. Since you dont seem to support equal treatment i suppose than you support slavery. you truly are the stereotypical conservative with your head up your ***.

Not really a political criticism here or anything, Ghanha, but your opinions will be taken a little more seriously if your spelling and grammar aren't like that of a Rhesus monkey with Down's Syndrome.

Alright. Let's try this again.



The word "pre-emption' means to prevent before it occurs. That's the whole point. To prevent Saddam from ever having nuclear or large arms capabilities was the purpose of a pre-emptive strike. Every country in the UN agreed it was a bad idea for Saddam to have nuclear or any large arms because he had proven time and again that he could not be trusted with such weaponry and power. Do you not agree? Do you honestly think it would be OK for Saddam to have been allowed those kinds of capabilities? That's a serious question.

Secondly, you don't attack a country who has nuclear capabilities. It's suicide. Period. The U.S. doesn't attack England, France or China because these nations do not pose a threat to the U.S. or any other nation whom we consider allies. Why would we attack them? They are responsible soveriegn nations, and have proven to be such.

The old soviet union is no threat. China is no threat. NK is no threat directly. We are only protecting SK. If NK goes after SK guns blazing, they know and we know that both countries, north and south, will cease to exist. It's stalemate. Yeah, there may be nuclear arms in the hands of a lunatic, but the U.S. is in a position to keep him in check. The tripwire is working as planned.

So, now that we have addressed global nuclear powers, we can discuss oil.



Um...no. It's not about the U.S. securing it's own oil source. Number one, the Afghanistan pipeline is not being built. It does not exist. Period. Do you know how much of of the U.S.'s oil come from Iraq? 5%. Yes, that's right. Five ercent of America's oil comes from Iraq. Would you like to know which nations do rely heavily on Iraq's oil? China. The UK. France. The U.S. was, however, securing an alternate fuel source to ensure something for itself. Stability in the global economy. If, for some odd reason which I will not get into right now, some of the major oil resources of the world were to be put in jeopardy, and alternate fuel source is critical to keep the global economy stable. France and the rest of europe will have a reliable oil resource, and the global economy will not go haywire, which ultimately makes everyone, including the U.S., very happy and secure. France should be thanking us, again. Yeah, it's partially about oil, but not in the way many people would have you believe. It's not oil we want. It's oil places like France wants. And oil is only one reason out of many.

Additionally, if we were after oil, why then are we not breaking down the doors in Sudan and busting some heads? There's geanocide going on, and plenty of oil to be "stolen" by the U.S. If it's all about the oil, that's certainly the place to be. That's kinda what they're fighting about. Oil. Most people don't know that part though.

Now that we have discussed global oil reserves, we can move on to terrorism, which is a completely and totally different topic. You;re talking about all this like all these topics are the same thing. They aren't.



First of all, you're right. You don't know the fear Americans have lived through. You have not the first inkling. You can't fathom it. I can only imagine fathoming it, because I saw it happening live on television. I saw it happening in my own country. I witnessed the death, the murder, of thousands of innocent people; my fellow Americans. Something that we never though could or would happen on our own soil did. No, you don't know what it feels like.

Regardless, you're correct. Terrorists are not a threat in Canada...because the U.S. protects Canada. Canada poses no threat because Canada is not the world's superpower. Look at the Canadian dollar. That should tell you something. Of course you're not a threat. The U.S. is one of the most, if not the most powerful country in the world not only militarily, but financially. With power comes responsibility. If we are the mos powerful country in the world, it is our responsibility to keep things in check. I don't see Canada stepping up to the plate to ensure the protection of SK, or running relief efforts in Rwanda, or any of the other things the U.S. has been doing for the last 200+ years. Sure, maybe it;s because you don't want to. But even if you wanted to you can't. You don't have the capacity to do so. When you do have the capacity to do so, come step up and take over this position. Really, we're waiting. Take the reins, neighbor. The job is yours for the asking.

Thought so.

Next topic.



First lesson. If you are going to be smoking crack while on message boards, please bring enough for everyone. Pray tell, why is this year so much different from last year? Or the last 5 years? Or ten years? There is no special trend here. Some years are catastrophic. Some are benign. No pattern to speak of.

Oh, so this year we've melted much more of the polar ice caps than normal, and next year we might not induce such drastic melting. Is that it? The last several years we were melting much less so there was less cold water being "dumped" in causing less disruption? That's absurd. It's ludicrus. Hurricanes, even cat. fives, have been happening since way before the industrial revolution. Way before the advent of electricity, and before the discovery of fire. How do you explain those?

This line just kills me though...

"I do not know Kerry's opinion of the environment, but it cannot be worse that Bush's."

You don't know what Kerry's opinion of the environment is. You don't know. That says it all. It's like saying "I don't know how many grams of fat are in this Big Mac, but it can't be worse than this 16 oz. New York Strip."

Oh, can't it? It sure can. It only goes to show, what you don't know not only can, but will hurt you.

I am very well aware of how socilaized health care works in Canada. I know it is funded from taxes. The standard of care is still lower there than the standard of care in the U.S.
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lower?

try telling that to the hundreds of thousands of uninsured people right here in america. you cant afford insurance, you sit in an over crowded waiting room of a county funded emergancy room for HOURS, unless you are actually bleeding out right there in the waiting room.

you dont get the experimental treatments, even if you are dying.

hundreds of people die each year on an organ transplant waiting list, unless you can ponie up the cash upfront, then you dont even have to get on the list.

blow out a disk? unless you have good insurance, or alot of cash, it gets fused, not replaced like the more fortunate people of means.

for EVERYONE without insurance, and most people here with minumim insurance, canada is certainly no worse than the U.S., the only differance is, EVERYONE THERE gets medical treatment. not the case here.

infact, your HMO will let you die while they argue why they dont have to pay for your life saving proceedure in court. it happens all the time HERE. it NEVER HAPPENS in canada.

you need a better argument. medical care in america is only superrior for people with alot of cash.

Are you saying killer bees can't defend themselves?

I beg to differ, good sir.

"The standard of care drops considerably with socialized healthcare. Why do you think people from Canada come to the U.S. to have major suregeries and treatments done? Hypothetically, if you or someone you love dearly (a parent, sibling, spouse, or you child) had to have a major organ trnsplant, and you could have it done for free in Canada or pay to have it done in the U.S., which would you chose? Research your options carefully before answering.

Your turn to not look like a complete jackass"

Lol, thats right becuase up here in Canada we have a longer life expectancy than Americans becuase our doctors suck. Right, true it does have flaws but the MAJORITY or surgeries that are moved to the US are cosmetic or non-vital. Every time some one has a heart attack here it's not like we immediately ship them to the US becuase we can't handle it. Please do not speak out of your ***. I would easily go to any Canadian hospital for any treatment over paying huge dollars for the same ******* treatment in the US.

PS -> Shaedii I seriously hope you grow up, or somehow get hit by hurricane Ivan while the rest of Florida is spared. (PSS check out how many category 4-5 hurricanes have hit florida in the past 10 years, then the past 100)


Edited, Mon Sep 13 01:37:41 2004 by TheMightyTazok

Just wanted to clear some stuff up.. According to the September 11 report:

With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary, Bin Ladin himself met with senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but there is no evidence that Iraq responded to this request ... [but] the ensuing years saw additional efforts to establish connections. (p.61)

In March 1998, after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis. (p.66)

Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative. The reports describe friendly contacts and indicate some common themes in both sides’ hatred of the United States. But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States. (p.66)

In addition, two other recent accounts have shed more light on the Iraq-al Qaeda connection. A June 25, 2004 New York Times article, “Iraqis, Seeking Foes of Saudis, Contacted bin Laden, File Says,” reported on the contents of a mid-1990s Iraqi intelligence document believed to be authentic. According to the article,
1. bin Laden “had some reservations about being labeled an Iraqi operative.”
2. the Iraqi regime agreed to bin Laden’s request to rebroadcast anti-Saudi propaganda.
3. bin Laden “requested joint operations against foreign forces” in Saudi Arabia. The U.S. had a strong troop presence in Saudi Arabia at the time.
4. following bin Laden’s departure from Sudan, Iraq intelligence began “seeking other channels through which to handle the relationship.”
5. the Iraqi Intelligence service believed “cooperation between the two organizations should be allowed to develop freely through discussion and agreement.”
6. a Sudanese official in 1994 told Uday Hussein and the director of Iraqi Intelligence that bin Laden was willing to meet in Sudan.

And, on July 7, 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee reported:


1. That George Tenet provided the Senate Intelligence Committee this assessment in a closed session on September 17, 2002: “There is evidence that Iraq provided al Qaeda with various kinds of training--combat, bomb-making, [chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear] CBRN. Although Saddam did not endorse al Qaeda’s overall agenda and was suspicious of Islamist movements in general, he was apparently not averse, under certain circumstances, to enhancing bin Laden’s operational capabilities. As with much of the information on the overall relationship, details on training are [redacted] from sources of varying reliability.”

2. That according to a CIA report called Iraqi Support for Terrorism, “the general pattern that emerges is one of al Qaeda’s enduring interest in acquiring chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear (CBRN) expertise from Iraq.”

3. That the Iraqi regime ‘certainly’ had knowledge that Abu Musab al Zarqawi – described in Iraqi Support for Terrorism as “a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner” – was operating in Baghdad and northern Iraq.


Now if that isnt the proof.. i don't know what is. As far as myself, I was in the unit that jumped into north Iraq on march 26 2003. I spent 341 days there doing combat operations and peace keeping missions. I personally knew six of the 1000+ people that have died since this all started. I was there during two of thier deaths. I have lived through three IED (road side bombs) I have picked up body parts of fellow american soldiers after their humvee drive over a buried 500 lb bomb.. I have a pretty good idea on what is going on over in Iraq and am not getting trained to do a different type of job in support of either our future involvement with Iran or with our continuing operations in Afghanistan. I support our current commander and chief and will be voting for him again as I did in 2000. I think thats about enough for this post

Lol, what's a pedestool?

Is that like a foot-****?

While I'm by no means a fan of Dubya, I have to agree with the above statement.