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#1 Aug 24 2004 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
Should US citizens be allowed to buy drugs from Canada?

Many drugs can be purchased in Canada at significant discounts from the retail price in the US. Many US citizens are choosing between health care and other basic necessities (see, for example, http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04219/357527.stm ). Thus allowing people to buy cheaper drugs raises quality of life for many and ultimately saves lives.

On the other hand, it is illegal. The US Food and Drug Agency (FDA) is indicating it cannot ensure the safety. Also, it hurts the drug companies which ultimately may mean less money for drug development and thus fewer new drugs in the future, ultimately costing quality of life for many, and the lives of some.

Which should it be?

Note: I do have a strong opinion on this issue, but I'm trying to be neutral in asking the question. I honestly want to see what people think, within the US and abroad.
#2 Aug 24 2004 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
I thought the FDA traced some of the website's selling those back to Thailand or some such place.
#3 Aug 24 2004 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Well, many people simply cannot afford drugs in the US. To them it may be a life or death issue or at the very least seriously impair their quality of life. To them the issue is very black and white.

Perhaps, as the richest nation in the world we need to address the deeper issue of why so many people are unable to afford basic life sustaining medications.
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#4 Aug 24 2004 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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On the other hand, it is illegal. The US Food and Drug Agency (FDA) is indicating it cannot ensure the safety.


Smiley: lol The only difference between our drugs and yours is that we add a little bit of whale blubber to every capsule so we have healthy and shiny pelts. Yay!


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#5 Aug 24 2004 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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I posted on this recently. I believe the Canadian drugs should be imported to the United States to save cost.

Right now certain states such as Vermont are suing the FDA for blocking import of perfectly legal and approved drugs from Canada. Turns out if they buy drugs for state employees through canada they can save millions of dollars per year.

Here is the post

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=4&mid=1092338905821126250

I think if regulated there should be no problem. Drug companies make insane profits, yes they spend a lot of money developing and researching but the profit is insane.

Frankly i think going with cheaper canadian drugs is better than Bush's new medicare package which pays for seniors drugs but pretty much lets the drug companies set the price.
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#6 Aug 24 2004 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmm... a 3 month supply of a Pulmicort inhaler for $202.34 or a one month supply from Walgreen's for $148.00??? **** privatized health insurance.
#7 Aug 24 2004 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Ya i see it all the time happening...... wait a min your talking about prescription drugs.... ~No Comment~
#8 Aug 24 2004 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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The only difference between our drugs and yours is that we add a little bit of whale blubber to every capsule so we have healthy and shiny pelts. Yay!
That's it. I'm getting my drugs from Canada from now on.

A gal's pelt can never be too healthy and shiny.
#9 Aug 24 2004 at 5:05 PM Rating: Default
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"Can't gurantee safety" is the best crazy ******** dodge in a long history of crazy ******** dodges.

The best part is that drugs in the US and Canada nearly all come sealed from litterally the same factories. The US versions don't have french language packaging, though. Therefore they're safer because people won't get confused looking for directions.

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#11 Aug 24 2004 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
If we imported from Canada, people wouldn't have to take depression meds cuz they wouldn't be depressed about paying such high US prices, so therefore the problem would fix itself and there'd be no need for depression medication.

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#12 Aug 24 2004 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Just an example here on the diffrence in cost. My grandmother needs several meds these days. Before she started getting her medications from Canada she was spending $400 a month (with insurance mind you). She has since switched over to buying from Canada and spends about $150 total for the same drugs. This is a woman who is retired and has no other income incoming except social security and she has to spend THAT much money for the same drugs if they come from the good ole USA? How are people supposed to live like that?
Go Canada!
#13 Aug 25 2004 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Perhaps I don't understand the intricacies of economics, but if I learned anything its that trade is good and competition is good. I mean, lets be honest, this is a purely economic issue. The pharmacy industry is huge; they have billions upon billions, and they want billions more. We are not dealing with a benevolent old apothecary here: its a company that wants to make as much money as possible. If you have to choose between rent or meds, i'm sure they don't give a damn either way (well, actually they want you to buy meds, but they can count on that, especially if you die if you don't buy them). Buy illegalizing mexican and canadian drugs, the american pharmicuitcal (how the f*** do you spell that word?!) industry effectively gains a monopoly. What the hell? I thought monopolies were illegal in the US. As for hurting the drug companies and funneling american money outside the country: competition is good, trade is good. In the long run we'll benefit.

As a semi-off topic note, I don't even think most people need the crap they take. Antidepressants? Who the hell came up with that farce? If you have stuff to sort out, do some soul searching, talk to friend, go see a stupid movie. But don't take drugs to paper-over your problems. Unless you have a clinically diagnosed ailment, deal with it.
#15 Aug 25 2004 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
Does anyone actually oppose this re-importation? Specifically, do any voting American's actually oppose this?
#16 Aug 25 2004 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
NO, just drug company lobbies.
#17 Sep 03 2004 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
Here we have a major issue, effecting the health and general wellbeing of millions and we can't get a single person to support our fearless leader?

Please, if I have not laid out the master reason for dissing drugs from Canada well enough - if I let my bias show in the question - please correct me.

Some of these drugs are identical copies from America. Why, exactly, aren't these OK for re-import?
#18 Sep 06 2004 at 5:51 AM Rating: Decent
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There's no reason why we shouldn't be importing drugs from Canada. Drug companies will scream bloody murder because it'll hurt their profits, but consumers need that kind of competition to drive prices down. Maybe a few unlucky citizens will import sugar pills and die, but that's no reason why the rest of us should pay through the nose.
#19 Sep 06 2004 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe a few unlucky citizens will import sugar pills and die
That will never happen through an actual pharmacy, Canada has their own version of the FDA that tries to make everything is safe. It maybe more lenient and quicker on the release of over the counter drugs, but it does try and make sure everything is safe just as hard as the US FDA.

Then there is the fact that it is the same drug comapanies making the drugs in Canada as the US, since the drug companies wouldnt stand for anyone to make money off of their name. Overall the only reason not to import drugs from Canada, is the drug companies dont want to lose profits.
#20 Sep 06 2004 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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Illinois to set up drug import network

I haven't been super impressed with Blagojevich as governor, but I have a hard time finding fault here. I don't buy the "OMG not safe!" line for a moment -- it's not as if the Canadians and British are dying en masse from shoddy prescription drugs.

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#21 Sep 06 2004 at 1:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I usually withhold my opinion on anything in here. However, this is an issue that really affects me. Let me state that if I could move to Canada, I would be gone ASAP.

I do not have any health care at all. I haven't had for several years. I have high blood pressure and the doc put me on Lopressor, it's cheap -- $15 at Wal-Mart. However the side effects are horrendous! For three years I gained weight, got more tired and gained more weight. I complained to my doc and her only answer was, "you are depressed, here take this," and to "exercise more."

First problem was, I was too tired to exercise, some times too tired to get out of bed. Second, I wasn't depressed. I know depressed and that wasn't it. I didn't feel taking a pill that makes me sleep even more was the answer. I got fed up and weaned myself off the Lopressor and haven't been back to that doctor since.

Fast forward to present. I have a new doctor who changed my medication to something else when I finally stopped taking Lopressor for several months and almost died. He stated I was probably allergic to other drug. They also think I had a mini-stroke but can't test me as I can't afford the testing. My new medication is called Diovann, $60 a month. To some that isn't much, but to me at this point in my life (divorce, moving etc), that $60 is A LOT. I also have allergies that we have dealt with and that costs me another $140. I am the most energetic I have been in years and feel like I got my life back! I have enough energy to hop on the treadmill, or take my daughter to the park, etc.

My Gram lives in Yuma 6 months out of each year and could get me the meds from Mexico. However, I would rather import my meds from Canada as I believe their guidelines are much stricter. My step mother says it is also legal in the state of Oklahoma and that she would fill out the necessary paper work for me, as I have no clue where to start.

If I had the cash to afford the higher prices, I would of course, buy from my homeland. With good paying jobs being difficult to find, I'm all for doing what will save me money. If I save $100 on my meds, that's $100 more I can spend on food to make sure my daughter eats every day.
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#23 Sep 06 2004 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
It's just a matter of drug company and insurance lobbies having their way with the lawmaking process.

It's getting worse and worse. My health coverage has gone up 3x in the past 18 months. I expect another rate hike at the end of this year.

Soon, it will be cheaper for me to ditch it and bank the premium money and just negotiate for my health care; though it will pain me to go back to selling myself.
#24 Sep 12 2004 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
We all know people who can't afford their medications. Likely this has caused more deaths then the Iraq war (to US citizens) over the same span of time, yet gets little coverage.

It is a matter of health or serious debilitation, life or death.

Why is our president taking a course of action that not a single voice is willing to stand up in agreement with?

Health Care, as a sector, is donating to Bush over Kerry at a rate of just under 2:1 (US$ 8.95 vs. 4.50 million) according to www.opensecrets.org. I'd love to know the numbers for pharmaceuticals it's probably closer to 9:1 (like the agribusiness or energy sectors see http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/sectorall.asp?cycle=2004 ).

So rest assured that when you buy those high priced drugs, some of that money will be used to advertise Bush to you, and tell you all about why he should still be president. I imagine not many of those ads paid for by the health sector will actually talk much about Bush's health care policies. If they do perhaps they will tell us how Bush is saving us from deadly whale blubber in those evil Canadian's medications.
#25 Sep 12 2004 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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If you think that the drugs you get from Canada are different from American versions, you are completely wrong. I am a Canadian in pharmacology, training to be a pharmacist, I have made many of the drugs you take. I can make Tylenol (acetaminophenol) out of benzene (found in crude oil) bleach and acetic acid (vinegar), not to mention codein, nad countless other drugs. True much of the money goes into R&D, sadly in the states a lot of it goes into cosmetic research, but if we live in a free market soceity with free trade and all that good stuff, competition is healthy. There is absolutely no difference in drug except maybe the name, and the filler. The active compound itself is chemically identical.
#26 Sep 12 2004 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I am pretty undecided on this issue. I am all for affordable drugs, which I know we can get from our neighbors from the north. But, I also don't think that we should have to import drugs from another country because we can not afford the same product here.

It's ridiculous. But aren't drugs cheaper in Canada because of price limits set by the government there? (I am not 100% sure on this one, so if any Canadians out there want to correct me, feel free.) I always thought that they were cheaper in Canada, and well, other countries for that matter, because the government there was smart and set a certain profit margin for medications?

I am afraid of the repurcussions that the reimportation of drugs will cause though. The drug companies will probably start curbing shipments of certain medications to Canada - to stop them from being shipped to the US.

There needs to be a better fix for drug prices in the US - mainly price controls, but that is not going to happen with the republicans in the White House and Congress.
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