2012 Should be an interesting year.Follow

THE WORLD WILL END UNLESS I GET MORE CAFFEINE!!!!

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Ok i'm good.

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so? what's you point?

HEY!!! That's not very nice..

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I'm not saying he made it up. Just that he added/modified things when he related the story. A prime example is placing the island of Atlantis "beyond the Pillars of Hercules". Clearly, the Egyptian priests who first related the story could not possibly have used that term, so it must have been changed. That's what I'm talking about. They could simply have said something like "To the west beyond known seas", and the Greeks would have interpreted that in terms of what *they* knew of the seas at that time. But that doesn't mean that the extent of the Egyptian's knowledge of the seas 9000 years earlier was the same as the Greeks at the time the tale was recounted. In fact, it's pretty darn unlikely.




Um. Those are reverse arguments though. That someone built the wicker boat and proved it could be used to cross an ocean largely because people made the assumption os a connection between the pyrimids of Egpyt and those of Meso-America. But proving that their boats *could* cross that distance doesn't prove that they ever did.

There is zero evidence that the Ancient Egyptians (especially as early as that related by the altantis story) had any knowledge of navigation, or explored the Mediterranian Sea at all, beyond traveling along the coastline. They did build large boats. For river traffic. There's no indication that they ever travelled significantly out into the sea. Much of that "myth" is built up on the idea that the Egyptians were this ancient culture, and hasd similarities with other cultures, and so must have somehow been connected. It's much more likely that similar ideas simply sprang up independantly of eachother.

It's a circular argument. Your support for the "myths" requires that we believe other, related, myths.



Source? Look. They knew abou tthe stars becuase they were an agrarian society and almost all agrarian societies had to study the stars to some extent. Aside from the pyrimids, there's nothing to indicate that the Egyptians ever traveled anywhere other then along their own coastline. And lots of pyrimids have been built by many cultures all over the world. Why assume it had to be Eqyptians?


I could also go on at length debunking all those myths and assumptions that they are all somehow connected. Guess what? All early cultures develop isimilar situations. Early agrarian societies all develop along rivers or coastlines. So they all have a flood myth. Think about it. They all must develop some method to track the seasons, so they all develop some method of tracking the motions of the stars, sun, and moon. Early construction consists of stone and wood. Thousands of years after the fact, any wood structures will have disintigrated, and any stone structures that *weren't* either large standing stones or pyrimids would have either collapsed or been carted away in bits for later building projects, thus, we find lots of ancient megoliths and pyrimids scattered around the world. It's not really that much of a mystery.

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Totem

"...global warming is also a naturally occuring thing. The reason it is made a big deal of nowadays is because we're artificially accelerating it." --Eris

Maybe. A real big maybe. More like we have no idea and it is pure speculation on your part.

Totem

Wow...

Schooled.

Nope, still maybe, Elvaankred. Your data is as suspect as that of those scientists who were convinced the hole in the ozone layer by Antartica was manmade, when it turned out to be from a volcano.

Scientific data by its' very nature is subject to review, change, and disposal. What you are suggesting is much like taking a photo of an event and extrapolating that that one moment in time is a picture of what it always is like. And that is a faulty conclusion.

How was that, Romulous? Schooled? I believe you're correct, and I'm the teacher. Class is in session, so sit down, be quiet, and take out your workbooks. Because when I'm finished with you, there will be a test.

Totem

Ok Totem, whatever helps you sleep at night...


Did you not read what causes the ozone to deplete? Sorry, not oak trees, which don't do much but pollinate like any other plant... unless recycling carbon-dioxide into oxygen is pollution, further more, cows graze and ****. So we killed the ozone with lack of oxygen and too much fertilizer? Sorry, but plants reproduce O2 not O3 which is very needed for our Ozone layer about now.


Right, because new things are discovered everyday. You think man was put here on this earth knowing how to drive automobiles? Hell no, we were oog'ing and grunting in a cave with finger paintings trying to figure out how to harness fire. Man kind has been doing that for centuries, why do we need propane to do it now? No one HAS to use drugs in a pregnancy, and I've never heard of a women giving birth on her hands and knees... its always on the back, whether its old fashioned or c-section. Simply because they find more than one way of doing something doesn't mean that subject is conclusive or unsure. It just means we become smarter the more and more we deal with the same subject...


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I believe you're on the wrong coast with the Angel's guess. That "a" is the logo for the Atlanta Braves.

Edited, Sun Jul 18 14:52:02 2004 by ElvaanKrem

Ask Kaolian about it, if was living in the Houston area about 10 years ago like I was. There was a push to create certain emission level on cars because it was commonly thought that they were responsible for the poor air quality in the Greater Houston area. Turns out that while cars played a small part in the smog, the cows and oak trees in the region contributed the vast majority of the pollution to the air.

Hey, don't blame me for reporting this. It was big news down there for months.

As for my referencing child birth, that was to illustrate that scientists are still trying to pin down the procedures on something which has been going on since the dawn of time. It was to highlight that just because they say something is scientifically sound one way today, doesn't mean-- nay, it definitively means it will be tossed out at a later date. Show me a scientific idea that has not had that happen to it. This the argument against your showing me links to "scientific data," because in a matter of time, your data will be shown to be driving an agenda to the wrong conclusion.

Statistics and scientific data are as mallable as opinions, political agendas, and the people who can use that data to their own end.

And by the way, Vietnamese women routinely gave birth standing up, just as a counterpoint to your assertion that it is always done on their back. See? So much for your set-in-stone medical procedures.

Totem

Volcanoes in Antarctica

Lava bombs

Smithsonian

Greenpeace discusses the ozone

One more...

Totem

Edited, Sun Jul 18 20:21:29 2004 by Totem

And all of this *still* doesn't tells us anything about "global warming". Sure. Ozone depletion is real, but can be caused by a number of things in addition to human actions. Sure. Pollution is real, but it also can be caused by a number of things in addition to human actions.

The problem is that there is *zero* proof that any of that is causing a global warming trend, or a global cooling trend. The reality is that no one knows. We do know that the earth has gone through warming and cooling trends in the past (um. Without any human help at all I might add). However, we have no real idea what causes these trends, nor do we have any real idea if our impact on the ecology is causing a trend or hindering one, or not really having any long term effect at all.

You're looking at individual trees and trying to guess if the forest is growing or shrinking. You/we just don't have the data or knowledge to make that sort of assertion. We can "guess", but that's all.