An Afterlife? (gotta love me^^)Follow

If you believe it's imaginary...hmm...Thats just ignorance, then again thats just my opinion


No, my fine feathered friend, ignorance would be believing something wasn't imaginary without a single shred of evidence.

What you're thiking of is reason.

Your quote should read:


If you believe it's imaginary...hmm...Thats just a reasonable oppinion based on fact and logic, then again thats just my opinion


How do you know the baby Jesus loves you? Because the Bible tells you so.

How do you know black people are evil? Because the Exahulted Cyclops tells you so.

Ignorance is dangerous.

Don't fret too much, X. He is just hoping that SOME DAY some "cute guy" will take him up on the offer.

I'm crossing my fingers for you, Selfish!

Eb

EDIT: woops was using my brothers account

Edited, Thu Jul 1 14:40:06 2004 by leetgaruda

Well if thats the case then how can you believe any of the history that is taught to you in schools? How can you believe that the Big Bang theory really occured? How can you believe that people live in Alaska unless you go there and see it yourself? You basically stating that documents we read and things people say have the ability to be false. So why believe in anything at all?

The Big Bang theory is in itself just a theory, so how can it be any more plausible than there being a creator? Infact, it is more possible to believe that there is a creator, and science proves that.

Well if thats the case then how can you believe any of the history that is taught to you in schools?


Well, you can't without doing your own research. However, after you do said research, you'll start to accumulate factual evidence. I can walk over and touch the Washington Monument, which is a pretty good indication that someone probably built it at one point.

On the other hand, I can probably rule out the Easter Bunny being a real, giant bunny that ***** out easter eggs for children once a year.

Now, I certainly can't disprove his existance but I can set a certain standard of factual evidence that I need to accept something as proven. That standard doesn't need to be absolute, I mean the Flat Earth Society people will demonstrate that there's not absolute proof that the earth is round, but for most people there's enough evidence to substaniate it as proven.

The same cannot be said for any religous belief. Were it the case, the beliefs would cease to be religous bleief and would be fact. The very reason we call things beleifs are that there's not enough evidence to establish them as facts.


How can you believe that the Big Bang theory really occured?


Well, all the evidence points to something simmilar to it having happened at some point in the history of the universe. "The Big Bang Theory" is a very vague term and you'd have to define what you mean by it a little better before I could even comment if I think it's a likely theory or not.



How can you believe that people live in Alaska unless you go there and see it yourself?


It meets that standard of proof I talked about earlier.


You basically stating that documents we read and things people say have the ability to be false. So why believe in anything at all?


Again refer to my point about about standards of evidence.


The Big Bang theory is in itself just a theory, so how can it be any more plausible than there being a creator?


It's more plausible because there's evidence for it.


Infact, it is more possible to believe that there is a creator, and science proves that.


Really? Boy, I'd like to see that "science". Please post a link or explain it to me. I'm dying to hear this.

Science is a religion, too. Not being able to get outside of our experience is our curse. All things are subjective.

Now you can believe in those "facts" that are substatiated by "evidence", but do not make the mistake that there are such things as absolutes.

All senses are filtered through human consciousness and there is no way to escape the taint in the constant in this experiment.

Eb

Science is a religion, too. Not being able to get outside of our experience is our curse. All things are subjective.

Now you can believe in those "facts" that are substatiated by "evidence", but do not make the mistake that there are such things as absolutes.


did you read my quote that you posted, or just quote it?

Infinity minus one = infinity.

jus sayin..

Infact, it is more possible to believe that there is a creator, and science proves that.


Really? Boy, I'd like to see that "science". Please post a link or explain it to me. I'm dying to hear this.

I attended a lecture by Roger Penrose (Steven Hawking's thesis advisor and mentor) where he estimated the chances of the big bang being a coincidence were roughly 10^10^123. That is the best (and only cogent) evidence I have ever heard for believing in a supreme being.



Edited, Thu Jul 1 17:24:35 2004 by Ditiris

Infinity minus one = infinity.


Nah, it's just irrational. Group Theory says that the fundemental group at infinity allows for the rationalization of infinity, so you could have infinity -1 but, of course, not infinity +1.

You got it... more of the "Force" personified.. in this cases Clothos ,Lachesis ,and Atropos..(wow I remembered)




For concepts that are beyond our realm of thinking... such as this thread.....IMHO... I'm sure some of you are totally happy staying in your present realm of thinking and believe that their can be no expanding upon it...except on a linear and logical level.... but for concepts such as these our minds are forced to give these abstract concepts a shell.... a substantial form that we can relate to. THis includes the image of Christ, or Zuess, or the 3 Fates.. but it goes even beyond that.

We imagine things in terms of good and bad, up and down, beginning and end... when these things are a few specks in everyway else that we could percieve it. Kind of like Relativity.

If when you die you say that there must be some recompense because you're finally cashing in your chips and once you do you sit around playing a harp because there is nothing left to do but be a happy little vegetable with angel wing.... I say why does it have to be an ending to anything..... where is finality EVER implied in life truly, for it is demonstrated in each rising of the Sun that things go on. Sure, we die and that's the end of our lives as ourselves as we know it. But how much can you really say that you know about yourself? How much did you learn about yourself in all of the years of your life. From the day that your childish souls mind formed that shell of an ego our perceptions of the universe are blanketed by that shell. We are looking through flesh color glasses..and all we can see is waht our fleshes senses tell us to see. Is it not arrogant to believe that these faculties are the end all be all of cosmic receptors? Can we with our minds hear radio signals or listen to stars vibrating? Of couse not.. but does that mean that they aren't there?

We are humans. In the past 100 years we have discovered more about the physical universe than in the entire known history of our species. HOw can you possibly think that the ideas of many many many people (excluding religious nuts, goth poser geeks, and people that are ****** up enough to blindy need to follow ANYTHING that is there because they feel so hopeless)are a complete falsehood.

They are the ones looking beyond the horizons over to the next hill. SPeculating over waht's there..... everyone see's difffernt stuff..like looking at cloud shapes in the sky...wondering. Imagination at play? You're damn right it's about imagination. That is the part of us that makes us think beyond waht we already KNow that we are. It does not accept that the is a limit to our minds and to our universe. Once you accept that our perceptions of reality coupled with our imaginations is waht creates the very worlds that we live in.
If my view is different than anothers, well I'm certain that somewhere in between is the Truth. Ghosts; i've seen plenty, magic; I've seen plenty of proof, the Fates; I've seen them And talked to them, dragons; live near one, faeries; as real as people. DO I think I sound like a mad an and a nutcase. Of course I do. Do I believe OTher people when they tell me that they are a 'witch' or a 'druid' and can do all this weird **** and see all this wierd ****? Not likly.. I am usually instantly hostile to anyone coming near me with that ****.... I'm fully aware that people will lie to you for reasons that I canot conprehend.... I am also fully aware that I may be utterly insane..to much drugs... birth defect.. wahtever.. so be it... Maybe my the state of the souls mind is waht causes the defects that everyone blames this insanity on?.. It doesn't matter to me. I know waht I believe that I have seen and done, places I've been.

And while we are standing looking to next horizen.... MOst of you people are looking at the ground telling us "there is no hill" that there nothing out there.

Sorry for the long post.



Edited, Thu Jul 1 18:24:26 2004 by Kelvyquayo

Yeah, well...yours is purely wordy. :P

Eb

75% Chance of Pickle reigning.

I am a prince, you know.

Eb