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"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven." - Matthew 16:15-17 (NIV)

The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."
"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. - Matthew 26:63b-64a (NIV)

"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man [...] For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son..." - John 3:13, 16a (NIV)

"Why do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said I am God's Son?" - John 10:36b (NIV)

"My Father, who you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me." - John 8:54 (NIV)

The NIV cleans up John 10 as "God's Son". If you want to quibble over semantics, the KJV says "Son of God". Yes, Jesus also refers to himself as the Son of Man, a term which speaks of his dual-existance: God born into the form of a mortal. The two terms are not mutually exclusive, but different facets of the same being.

The Trinity is cleared spelled out in the end of Matthew in the "Great Commission": Go forth and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The concept of the Trinity is simple: God exists in three parts -- God in Heaven, God on earth (divine - the Holy Spirit), and God on earth (mortal - Jesus). God decides to bring Jesus into the world. Mary is made pregnant when the Holy Spirit comes upon her. Mary gives birth to Jesus, the Son of God & Man. There's no special "power" to it being the Trinity except that the NT holds over Judaic numerology where "3" is a divine number. Certainly there's nothing unbiblical about recognizing the Father, Son and Holy Spirit since Jesus himself calls it so.

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Edited, Wed Jun 30 20:45:20 2004 by Jophiel

Half of the bible is crap, countless roman emperors have changed it to meet there own personal agenda. The king james edittion is like 60% of the bible because he didnt like 40% of it, and he added a few verses for himself, thats the version we work with today, at least sloppy translations of it, and how many kings and emporers did that before him?


Sure, but as a source refrence for arguments concerning a certain Galalian Carpenter who may or may not be imaginary and what he said about himself I think it's probably the gold standard.

Not that I don't fully expect Gbaji to come back and say his roomate has a copy of the Dead Sea Scroll and he has a cousin who's uncle translated it and that the words Christ says in it are diffrent and fit his random arbitrary ******** spewing.

It'd be consistent with all of his other arguments.

Joph uses the NIV ussually from what I've noticed.

Actually, if you really want to get technical, you can analyze the similarities between Christianity and the Egyptian worship of the cat god whose name escapes me (Isis maybe?). Just as an example, both were killed and rose again three days later.

Sure, it's a stretch, but then again, so is the concept of religion.

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And what do you think christianity is. Jesus is about the only semi-original thing in it. The majority of beliefs are based on judaism, with a lot of influence from the pagan beliefs around Europe. As far as Islam being a copy of christianity, I would say Mohammad copied the romans not christians. If fact I would say if it wernt for the romans conversion to christianity, Jesus would just be know as a petty prophet.

Wow.. that website can get me my Doctor of Divinity degree in both Celtic Shamanism and Christian Goddess!

but the mere Idea of self sacrifice for other peoples benifit were probably not too rampant.

of course you would, that's why Jesus loves you. ^^

Y'all know that religions are just different ways of saying the same thing, right? Ok, just checking.

Because they don't care? Regardless of whatever little Druidic origins it has, Halloween to 99.995% of the people is a day for kids to dress up like Power Rangers and the Little Mermaid and fleece the neighbors for candy. No one give's a rat's *** about its pagan origins except for the teenagers who keep Llewellyn Press in business and some cranky old woman standing on her front porch and muttering about Satan.

Honestly, it's the same for all the holidays. Everyone and their dog has been clubbed over the head with the "secret pagan origins" of Christmas and Easter. No one cares. Any Christian who puts thirty seconds of thought into it comes to the conclusion that Christmas isn't really the bona fide birthday of Jesus, it's just the day people celebrate his birth. The fact that every other culture on the planet has a Solstice or Yule celebration doesn't matter. People don't set up Christmas trees because they think Jesus commanded us to put conifers and popcorn in our living rooms, it's a purely secular method of enjoying the season.

By the way, the NIV says "a craftsman shapes it with his chisel" which would simply imply that the heathens are making wooden idols, fetishes, etc and dressing them up:
"For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good."

That's not to defend Christmas trees, a purely pagan rooted and currently secular symbol of the holiday, but I doubt having a six foot Fraiser fir with bubble lights is directly mentioned in the Good Book.

I'm willing to bet that the number of home schooled Christian fundamentalists on this forum number zero though so they still didn't learn anything new about Easter

the elephant god from india would woop them both!

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Edited, Fri Jul 2 01:03:21 2004 by Lamnethx