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#1 Jun 26 2004 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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Scared ******** that Stephen Harper might be our next Prime Minister.

Edited, Sat Jun 26 16:24:09 2004 by bhodisattva
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#2 Jun 26 2004 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Aye, I am too. I am not a huge fan of Martin, but he is the lesser of the two evils here. I wish Jack Layton had a chance of being the PM though...
#3 Jun 27 2004 at 1:30 AM Rating: Good
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Jack Layton is a tool now if Bill Blaike was the head of NDP i would be "wasting" my vote on them.

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#4 Jun 27 2004 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent
I don't see why Stephen Harper is so bad! I like him. Not saying i want him to win, i like it the way it is now, except OHIP, that is just plain ********
#5 Jun 27 2004 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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Ohip is provincial not federal. And while if you think OHIP premiums are bad what do you think it would be like if Harper makes the push for private healthcare? Just ask any of the many Americans that post here how much it costs them for health insurance.

OHIP premiums would be bargain basement discount compared to that.
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#6 Jun 28 2004 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
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In 35 of the past 37 years, Canada has been ruled by Pierre Trudeau a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec, Brian Mulroney a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec and Jean Chretien a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec.

And now we are going to vote for Paul Martin a multi-millionaire lawyer from Quebec???

The leader of the Conservative party, Stephen Harper, is not a lawyer, not a multi-millionaire and not from Quebec.

Stephen Harper says that the Conservative party will, reduce my taxes, pay off the national debt as fast as they can, shrink the size and influence of the federal government.

That's good enough for me. The Liberal's have been singing the same song for years. A minority government might be just what Canada needs. More eyes watching the hands going into the trough.

I'm going to give the NDP a chance with my
vote. I'm going right now actually.


Edited, Mon Jun 28 13:55:17 2004 by Fairyman
#7 Jun 28 2004 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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Stephen Harper is a buffoon.

I voted in advance polls and you can bet my vote was not for the Conservatives.

Interesting that we may have the first minority government in 25 years though.

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#8 Jun 28 2004 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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Stephen Harper says that the Conservative party will, reduce my taxes, pay off the national debt as fast as they can, shrink the size and influence of the federal government.


If your shrinking taxes how are you gonna pay things off faster. And dont start quoting trickle down economics to me it aint gonna work. As for taxes right now they arent as low as i want but they are definitely not hurting me financially. You cant get something for nothing.

I also have a feeling that shrinking the size and influence of the federal government will start with a reduction of services that are most likely to affect the lower classes and minorities in Canada.

Anyways im going out to vote, frankly i would like to see minority government for sure, rather see Liberals than Conservatives. But if the conservatives do get in i can only hope they last no longer than 9 months like Joe Clark back in the day when he was PM.

Edited, Mon Jun 28 15:01:58 2004 by bhodisattva
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#9 Jun 28 2004 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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I also have a feeling that shrinking the size and influence of the federal government will start with a reduction of services that are most likely to affect the lower classes and minorities in Canada.


So true. It never occurs to 'the fat' that the best way to spend money more effectively would be to trim 'the fat'. Well actually that's probably not entirely true. I'm sure it occurs to them but obviously it's not a very appealing course.

The problem with having millionaires running your country is that it's hard for them to think like the common man. Hell, I can't really wrap my head around the reality of owning millions of dollars and these clowns chuck it around like toilet paper. If I had that much money the last thing I would do is wipe my a$$ with it let alone someone else's.

A thousand dollar's is a lot of money to me but it's nothing to them and therein lies the problem. They wouldn't think twice about making me pay for health services and prescription costs and dental coverage not covered by my insurance plan because to them a few thousand dollar's seems like a relative bargain compared to the fat bank accounts they have. Meanwhile if I got hospitalized tommorow and had to pay five large to foot the bill it would break me. I'm in enough debt already.



#10 Jun 28 2004 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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Fairyman wrote:
They wouldn't think twice about making me pay for health services and prescription costs and dental coverage


Which is exactly what Ralph Klein and Conservatives would like to do in Alberta.

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#11 Jun 28 2004 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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First Martin is from Ontario he just has his riding in Quebec. Also nothing wrong with Quebec or being from Quebec.

Under the Liberals, Canada's books have been in the black last 6 years and running :

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/govt03.htm

Neither Harper or Martin are looking to privatize of add extra fees to health care ( if your in Ontario and having to deal with the OHIP premiums blame Dalton McGuinty). But Harper is advocating private on the side health care so all the rich fat cats you are ******** about can pay extra money so they can get faster and better treatment.

But i dont know why im arguing with you since your voting NDP, they have some great ideas but at least on the provinicial level they have always failed to implement them
or at least racked up massive massive debt when they do.

Frankly i would like to see Minority Government with NDP or Bloc being the sway vote, could make things interesting.

But to get back to your millionaire rant i dig it, my idea for a long time is that any elected official, i dont care if its municipal, provinicial or federal should be forced to give up all assests and live at the poverty level or at least get paid minimum wage for what they do.
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#12 Jun 28 2004 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
i'm quite sure my life will not change regardless of who gets elected as PM tonight. =)
#13 Jun 28 2004 at 4:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I want to become Canadian, but don't have any job prospects there. Anyone have a single sister? lol
#14 Jun 28 2004 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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any elected official, i dont care if its municipal, provinicial or federal should be forced to give up all assests and live at the poverty level or at least get paid minimum wage for what they do.


Any elected official should be there because they are interested in working to serve the public and improve the quality of life for whom they represent and not to use political influence to get richer.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against getting rich or people that are rich but wealthy people should have more responsibilty to contribute to the community that allowed them to prosper.

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Harper is advocating private on the side health care so all the rich fat cats you are ******** about can pay extra money so they can get faster and better treatment.


What percentage of people that require regular care or are on the waiting list for surguries can afford to pay for them out of pocket? I can only wager a guess but I think it would still leave 95% of people waiting in line. Allowing unregulated private services would likely lead to inflated costs that would make it out of reach for the dwindling population of middle income earners.

It's a good idea mind you, if you have the dough to seek private health services you should be able to.

#15 Jun 28 2004 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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I'd also like to clarify that I have no problem with Quebec or Quebecer's. I was merely pointing out a trend.

Edited, Mon Jun 28 17:44:20 2004 by Fairyman
#16 Jun 28 2004 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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Im confused you point out my facts then you make an argument but its the same argument im making or at least just another take on it.

Dunno never really had someone argue my same point against me i dont know if its a good or bad thing?
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#17 Jun 28 2004 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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I wasn't arguing, at least I don't think I was. I am in agreement. I guess what I was trying to say is that privatizing certain sectors of health care is all well and good if you can afford to use it but it doesn't do squat all for me. I did however use quotes and I can see the redundancy of an expanded agreement. Moving along now...



Edited, Mon Jun 28 19:43:26 2004 by Fairyman
#18 Jun 28 2004 at 6:23 PM Rating: Decent
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hee hee

Candadians,

You so kwazy. Smiley: tongue
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#19 Jun 28 2004 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
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If us americans are lucky are health care is 60 dollars a month min. some may be luckier. But if you want to put your family of 4 on the insurance your looking bout 600 a month
#20 Jun 29 2004 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
Damn wasn't I soposed to vote for something yesterday...
#21 Jun 29 2004 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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Whew liberal minority, gonna be weird to see how much the NDP and Bloc can wrangle out of that.

Of course now we get to see how long this lasts, anyone think it will last full 4 years or will vote of no confidence bring it down in 9 months like the conservative minority government of Joe Clark back in the 1979-1980?
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#22 Jun 29 2004 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
Go to canada there are loads of them, just walking around the streets, seriously.
#23 Jun 29 2004 at 6:16 PM Rating: Default
I think most of them are in Canada
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