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#1 Jun 14 2004 at 7:25 AM Rating: Default
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Any1 here a history buff? If you are then talk with me here...
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#2 Jun 14 2004 at 7:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm at work but.... uhh I'm one.

Waht you wanna talk about???.. I'm more Ancient History.. but any time would do.
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#3 Jun 14 2004 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Anything from 1300 to 1603 is my favorite. why do you want to know. I'm part of a meidevil reanactment group.
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#4 Jun 14 2004 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Could you be any less specefic?

Maybe you can clue me in on the particular nuerosis that causes people to want to reinact things that happened five hundred years ago. I'm serious. I don't understand it.

What's your motivation?
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#5 Jun 14 2004 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I personaly love learning about the past, an the easiest way for me to learn is to do, wheather I'm learning to fence, brew, metal work, or build a catapult. Plus I enjoy the people who teach me they are like family to me.
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#6 Jun 14 2004 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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1300 to 1603 is my favorite


At Pensick, and all the Ren. Faires..... It can only truly be authentic if they spray you with sh*t as you enter the gates.

Re-cap-

If you ain't covered with sh*t, you ain't Truly re-enacting sh*t.

Oh yeah... forgot about disease and the lack of Education...... all except the Preists that is...... so they could read the Bible to the Illiterate masses.... Oh yeah.. and the Stone Masons.. so they could read plans for all the Cathedrals they built.. but that's it....and

no education = no bathing..for 1000 years

Sewer Systems= Roman = Pagan = Bad = Black Death
(yeah yeah, I know it was fleas..yada yada)

Reading = Spiritual Self Reliance = No need for Churches = No need for the "Divine Right of Kings" = Bad for the Rich Lords and their Nobles.

Go White people!!..
the essentials havn't changes have they???
you re-encact it every @#%^ing day.

It is filled with Lies and Deceit and Opression of the Worse kind. Why would you want to re-enact that??

Here's a Questions.. were Romans White?

Edited, Mon Jun 14 11:17:13 2004 by Kelvyquayo

Edited, Mon Jun 14 11:18:48 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#7 Jun 14 2004 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Here's some history.... uh


The British Empire was Truly DONE
When the Beatles touched American Soil. ^^
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#8 Jun 14 2004 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Here, Argue about this, Please:

http://www.unmuseum.org/bbattery.htm

look it up elsewhere too... it's real.
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#9 Jun 14 2004 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Here, more shtuff..

Maybe the Dark Ages really were Dark?

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20040104154407data_trunc_sys.shtml

..new link.. didn't like the old one..

Edited, Mon Jun 14 11:20:51 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#10 Jun 14 2004 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Your right I renact history in modern times to my standards, Now if you want to be covered in sh*t an given an awful disease, than please be my guest an go ahead. Other wise I have freedom of choice to do as I see fit. That includes renacting events to the best of my modern ablitey. Ya see its just a game I enjoy learning this way. If it was made miserable no one would do it. Plus I like it when you answer your own post, 3 in a row nice touch.
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#11 Jun 14 2004 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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nothing personal Jademage, you know my oppinion on SCAers.. I'm just being a smart-ass.. (^_^)

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Plus I like it when you answer your own post, 3 in a row nice touch.


I know, I'm a post count whore. ^^
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#12 Jun 14 2004 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Lol Thats cool, I thought you were angry with me again... glad ur not. Its just that I didn't get much schooling when I was young, I've been working full time since I was 13 so anyone that will teach me something new, like brewing, sewing, cooking, fencing, archery, metal work,leather work so on an so on, is all right with me. so yes we may not be the most accurate group but we try to have a lot of fun.
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#13 Jun 14 2004 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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the true Name of the Game.



Ok, here's some medieval trivia - off the top of my head:

When the mirror was introduced in Holland, they used to cover the mirror up when it wasn't being used, so as to retain its refelective properties.. LOL fools

umm.... Friday the 13th..
actually here:

"On October 13, 1307, a day so infamous that Friday the 13th would become a synonym for ill fortune, officers of King Philip IV of France carried out mass arrests in a well-coordinated dawn raid that left several thousand Templars knights, sergeants, priests, and serving brethren in chains, charged with heresy, blasphemy, various obscenities, and homosexual practices. None of these charges was ever proven, even in France and the Order was found innocent elsewhere but in the seven years following the arrests, hundreds of Templars suffered excruciating tortures intended to force 'confessions,' and more than a hundred died under torture or were executed by burning at the stake."

Paraskevidekatriaphobics I guess are reincarnated templars?




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#14 Jun 14 2004 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Way to make him feel bad, Kelvy.

Shame on you!
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#16 Jun 14 2004 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Yanari if ur defending me than thank you, if not than never mind. Plus I'm never bothered buy people on chat bordes. I would have to know you to be bothered by you. An I don't know any one on here at least not to my knowledge.
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#17 Jun 14 2004 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Yo

I'm serious, a 2000 year old battery... no one finds this interesting?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2804257.stm



Edited, Mon Jun 14 23:54:42 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#18 Jun 15 2004 at 1:29 AM Rating: Default
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um I just wanted to know what every1's favorite part or time in history is...I am into anything from Ancient history up to the Vietnam war! I think its all really cool! I was gunna go see some civil war reinactments this summer but my parents changed their minds... "( Those are probably the most fun to do though out of anything to do with history...My friends and I own a bunch of airsoft guns and I allways make some last stand against my bro and his friend while my partner holds off from some other place. The whole neighborhood is covered with 6mm green BBs lol. We do reinactments with them and stuff its really fun IM sure alot of WWII and other war reinactments are done the smae way...My bro has a Luger Airsoft gun and that thing ill leave marks if u get it. I would mainly like to talk about the French Foreign Legion inthe 1900s or somewhere around there...Any1 who knows anything about it just say something... :D :D also um how would some1 get a job doing war reanactments? Is it just something like paintball or something? I live in south Texas and the museum where I live sucks! I dont need to know about boring old columbus! I detest american history(only stuff like the American Revolution the rest I like) The whole museum is mainly about stuff like the spanish killing the aztecs and stuff which I know more about from playing Age of Empires 2 The Conquerors than the museum could possibly hope to show...Its nice for a field trip kinda thing but I would rather a place like in austin or something and I would Like to see f I can join in on some of those Reinactment things...sounds fun any1 know anywhere in south texas where they are doing them? ALso besides talking about the foreign Legion um If you could go anywhere in time, to nay battle or anything, what,where ,when would it be? I would be at D-day Omaha beach on June 6, 1944 or at the Collyceum(forgive my spelling im tired and its late)to watch the games at the ROman Empire(i think thats right :D) any1 else?

Edited, Tue Jun 15 02:39:45 2004 by Tarubard
#19 Jun 15 2004 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
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War should be reinacted with realistic looking casualties or not at all. Pretending it's some glorious noble task fit for the bravest men is a pile of crap. War is chaos covered in blood and that's it.

That being said, if I could go back in time to some other part of history it'd probably be about when FDR came into office. Not that I want to reinact it, but I think it would have been intresting to see firsthand.
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#20 Jun 15 2004 at 2:26 AM Rating: Good
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Learning history from a book bored the hell out of me. However, when I spent a week in Boston and learned what I did while vacationing there - HOLY sh*t!!! doesn't come close to what I felt.

If you ever have the chance, go visit the sites of some places with history. It will change your life more than you can imagine. The United States alone has more history to learn than you'll ever be able to take in. European history goes back, way way way back before U.S. history.

However, as Smasharoo said - war is never pretty. After hearing some of the things about the American Revolution from narrators, reading about atrocities and finding things out elsewhere I can say war has indirectly changed how I feel about it. Sometimes necessary (ie, American Revolution) but should never be glorified.

As for my favorite part in history - I know just barely enough to get myself in trouble with nearly any part of history which is about half as much as I should know to not look like a complete idiot when talking to a history professor.
#21 Jun 15 2004 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Instead of re-enacting, just join the fricking Military...t hen if you live til you're old you can say you did the real thing in history...


My favorite period is the Bronze Age....because the Celts had iron ^^

Here's a question"

How far back do you think we go?..... Did it all start duriring and after the Ice Age, or do you think there is some forgotten history somwhere back way way back?

Edited, Tue Jun 15 08:41:07 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#22 Jun 15 2004 at 9:57 AM Rating: Default
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hmm dont know...
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Kelvyquayo the Furtive wrote:

How far back do you think we go?..... Did it all start duriring and after the Ice Age, or do you think there is some forgotten history somwhere back way way back?


That's a pretty interesting question. While it's intirely possible that we advanced a bit prior to the last ice age, then regressed, and then re-discovered things afterwards, there's no real evidence to suggest that's what actually happened. At the very least, what evidence we have of the oldest settled (agrarian) communities are all post ice-age, and in fact are within the last 5-8 thousand years. This places the time significantly past the end of the ice age so that it's irrelevant in any case. If someone did develop more advanced cultures prior to that time, nothing remained anyway, so it had no impact on our development afterwards.


One of the counter theories that I always laugh at is the "common source" theory. The idea being that since there are so many examples of commonality in early cultures, and they didn't have any contact with eachother at the time, that they must have all descended from some earlier "common" culture. Personally, I think it's a garbage theory that puts presumption before evidence.

The most common rationales supporting it are the facts that so many cultures built pyrimids and large standing stone monoliths. Additionally, there's the fact that most of these structures are all oriented via some astronomical method. The problem with the theory is that they forget that the "common" thing all those cultures shared was a burgeoning agriculture capability. After all, that's what differentiates a nomadic culture from a settled one. You can't build large lasting structures without an excess of labor that's not required just to keep everyone fed. This pretty much always requires some level of agriculture. One ability that all early culture that build anything would *have* to have would be the abilty to measure time, specifically seasons. There's simply no way to plant harvests without having this ability. Thus, it's not unusual at all that every single one would have some working knowlege of the movement of the sun and stars in the sky. They didn't have calendars folks. They had to measure time by the movement of objects in the sky. Orienting upon such celestial bodies would be somewhat obvious, since that's what allowed them the wealth to build the structures in the first place.


As to the "mysteries" of pyrimid building? I don't find it mysterious at all. And ancient culture has basicaly two building materials: Wood and stone. Anything made of wood would have collapsed, and we'd have no standing instances of them. Anything made out of stone that was *not* a pyrimid would either require fairly advanced building techniques, or would have collapsed by now as well, or would have been torn down and re-used for something else (small quarried stones are pretty convenient for that). Pyrimids are what is left simply because they are the only large structure you can build out of stone blocks large enough not to be carted off easily, that they could build, and would still be standing today.

I really feel it's a matter of reverse thinking. They see pyrimids and large standing stones, but don't really think about the fact that that may just be all that's left. I could have a culture that built lots of structure and monuments, including megaliths and pyrimids, but after 5-6 thousand years, all that will be left are the megaliths and pyrimids. This gives the false impression that that was *all* we built and that somehow the shapes were important for more then just their lastng durability.
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#24 Jun 15 2004 at 10:42 PM Rating: Default
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ok um too tired to read all that( dont worry i read it later :D) New topic though...I was just wondering about what the monks at the monastaries during the middle ages did all day? I know they sang and stuff but didnt they do stuff with herblore(herblaw-whatever its called) or am i thinking of somethign else? Another place in time I wish I could go to is the fall of Troy, that would have been cool to watch. lol watch some ppl run out push a giant horse in the gates then the whole town blows up!(the battle iin a nutshell)








Any1 here collect war movies and stuff? I was wondering if any1 here knows how many war movies ever made there are? AMC shows tons but I bet there s more! I want to colelct as many as posisble and put them in a box in my room called a Warchest :P and whenever I wanna watch a war movie I can choose from like 200 movies lol! Sorry if I sound kiddish IM 16 and love new and love all war movies even if its future based or something to do with the Roman conquest! all war movies are cool! bye :D
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I swear to BOB I hate you Taru.

I cringe every time I see one of your posts, and know that my eyes are gonna feckin bleed trying to read it. Then I sit there in a stupor, trying to figure out just what the @#%^ you are trying to say.

#26 Jun 16 2004 at 4:17 AM Rating: Default
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lol I am usually in a hurry so i write as fast as possible adn use alot of chat lang! sorry thought just reply to it!
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It looks like someone read "Common Source Theory for Dummies". You're isolating one tiny part of a theory and using it to try and discredit an entire line of thought.

I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.

Common Source Theory is really more about why all cultures seem to have consistenently simmilar myths and memes. Not that it's not all a pile of crap, but at least get what it is you think is crap straight. Pyramids and monoliths are an easy example, not the theory. Disproving the causal relationship of the easy example does nothing to discredit the theory.

While I personally think the theory is a load, the better arguments in favor of it are made around myths and tradtions. Why was sacrafice such a common theme. Why are the hero myths so simmilar.

Blah blah blah.

Oh, and in the 8 million or so years of human existance (or whatever million of years it turns out to be I picked that number arbitrarily) I think it fairly unlikely that no one figured out farming untill 8,000 years ago. More likely just any trace of tose "civilizations" is lost to time.



Edited, Wed Jun 16 07:47:12 2004 by Smasharoo
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#28 Jun 16 2004 at 10:41 AM Rating: Default
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Didnt the nomads develop farming? I think its called the Neolithic revolution...First tribes of ppl that I can think of...F.Y.I Neanderthols(cant remember the spelling!) existed died out during ice age i think because they couldnt addapt to any weather or climate change unlike the other ppl!
#29 Jun 16 2004 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok...as far as the whole farming from 8k years ago..i don't know. i have my opion but hey no one knows for sure so why waiste time..but for the war..here. Taru..every year up around were i live (down for most people) they do hundreds of civil war re-enactments.. now as for my favorite time in history.. ancient china right round 200bc to 200ad..you know like the romance of the three kingdoms games.. China has the most cultrually rich history..not to mention the biggest graveyard in the world..and it's right in their own backyard lol..well that's me. im new and im here to tell it like i see it.
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Lol Smash. I just picked two aspects to talk about. My post was long enough already. Also, I was *spefically* talking about structures, not myths and legends.

There's some validity to the myths and legends bit (which is why I didn't talk about it), but not necessarily to the same degree. People moved around a fair bit back then. Stories spread. There's quite a bit of evidence to support that most of the Exodus story comes from bits and pieces of about 3 different myths from Eqypt and Messopotamia.

But I also agree that the idea of a single common source is silly.
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There's some validity to the myths and legends bit (which is why I didn't talk about it)


that's why most people don't talk about it.... it's uncomfortable against the grain.
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