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#1 Jun 10 2004 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow... the immorality these days is overwhelming, but last week I found a nice lil subject to take a photo of. According to those that actually use them, these are the cheapest prices seen in town... makes you wondered if they've been taylored to meet the income of lunch money's and allowances. :\

Is there anyone that actually supports this?!?!?

I don't.

Edited, Thu Jun 10 19:27:43 2004 by ElvaanKrem
#2 Jun 10 2004 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
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Hmmm... Since when did "selling something I don't like" become "immorality"? Do you know where that picture was taken? Do you know what the laws for cigarette sales are in that area? If you don't, then you can't possibly make any judgements about the morality of the scene.
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#3 Jun 10 2004 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, cigarettes are CHEAP where I live. You can get a carton of Malboros for about $20.99 usually around here.

As an ex-smoker, I'm not vehemently opposed to the habit. I have no intentions of taking it back up; it was ruining my health. But if other people want to do it, I don't care. Free willy and all that crap.
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#4 Jun 10 2004 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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#5 Jun 10 2004 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Since when did "selling something I don't like" become "immorality"? Do you know where that picture was taken?

Yes, it was taken by myself in the area I work and live. Its not "selling something I don't like" that I find "Immoral" its the fact an ICE CREAM TRUCK is selling them. Granted some parents actually buy stuff from time to time, but I would have to venture that more than 90% of all sales done off an ice cream truck are intended for use by minors. Therefore, cigarettes have no purpose being on an Ice Cream truck.
#6 Jun 10 2004 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
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It's pansies like you that have driven the decent smoking community out of bars and restaurants and the like in cities accross America, Elvaan. That, my friend, is immorality to me.

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#7 Jun 10 2004 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Twizted, please read my comment I wrote while you were typing. It is not cigarette's that I am against. Its the sales of cigarette's in/on anything that targets children as their main consumer. It'd be like going to KB Toys and finding a Joe Camel action figure play set.

Edited, Thu Jun 10 20:07:18 2004 by ElvaanKrem
#8 Jun 10 2004 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Hey, who do you think the kids that buy ice cream get the money from? I'm sure that parents with kids who buy ice cream smoke too. This PC bullsh[u][/u]it needs to stop.

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Edited, Thu Jun 10 20:26:18 2004 by TwiztidSamurai
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#9 Jun 10 2004 at 7:41 PM Rating: Good
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Granted some parents actually buy stuff from time to time, but I would have to venture that more than 90% of all sales done off an ice cream truck are intended for use by minors. Therefore, cigarettes have no purpose being on an Ice Cream truck.



So it's not the ice cream trucks fault that the kids are smoking. It's the ones that are buying the cigarettes for the kids that is causing to the "immorality" that you are ranting about.

So how again is putting them on an ice cream truck a bad thing? If the kid wants to smoke, he will find someone to buy them for him, whether it is off a truck, or out of a store.

#10 Jun 10 2004 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
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well, ok, I simply asked if anyone actually supports that, and apparently I'm the only one that doesn't... so my appologies to those that like to get cigarettes off the Ice Cream truck instead of walking to the corner store or picking them up at your local supermarket.
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well, ok, I simply asked if anyone actually supports that, and apparently I'm the only one that doesn't... so my appologies to those that like to get cigarettes off the Ice Cream truck instead of walking to the corner store or picking them up at your local supermarket.



Didn't you know that keeping cigarettes cold keeps them fresher longer? It's marketing genius I tell you!

That, and most people are lazy bastards.

And stop apologizing, makes you look weak. The vultures around here will pick you apart in no time.
#12 Jun 10 2004 at 7:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Edited, Fri Jun 11 03:01:23 2004 by CrimsonMagician
#13 Jun 10 2004 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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#14 Jun 10 2004 at 8:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Advice taken to heart Medius, at any rate... I just reread the opening statement and wow... I could have sooo worded that better. I just feel cigarettes should not be targetted to children... thats why the chalk cigarettes that I grew up with in the 80's were taken off the shelves and ice cream trucks. I, amung MANY other kids in my school at the time, used to buy those and puff out the chalk smoke just to look cool. They didn't taste good at all... but it was cool to puff the smoke (chalk). Yet its still ok to put the real thing on an ice cream truck.

I don't care if they put cigarettes in a vending machine at Carl's Jr or McDonalds (as long as they don't put it next to the playcenter). I don't care if you smoke at Disneyland, or in the movies (if you could)... but would you smoke at a preschool? I'm just saying it doesn't need to be flashed infront of our children's eyes... and I particuallarly find it interesting that is the two biggest signs on that truck.
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#16 Jun 11 2004 at 1:13 AM Rating: Good
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In reality, who cares what it means.

Anyway. I used to buy cigerettes from the ice cream man outside of my junior high school. I have ever since been smoking. There is no doubt in my mind cigerettes are addictive, there is also no doubt in my mind that having cigerettes priced next to a mr good bar is immoral. It scares me that you can relate smoking in bars to messaging to kids, smoking is ok. This is exactly what it is doing considering the ice cream man, a symbol for most grown ups as wholesome, is now being degregated by such a blatent attempt to "hook em while theyre young". <-- which is also what was written in a memo to a ceo at phillip morris as to how to get more people to smoke.


Maybe a little research behind "why" in all aspect of life would do some of you good before speaking.
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#17 Jun 11 2004 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
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It's pansies like you that have driven the decent smoking community out of bars and restaurants and the like in cities accross America, Elvaan. That, my friend, is immorality to me.

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Ya it had *nothing* to do with the lung cancer that the employees were getting.

Lung cancer...you're right to smoke in a bar...lung cancer...you're right to smoke in a bar...oh the moral quandry is *so* difficult!
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#20 Jun 11 2004 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Lung cancer...you're right to smoke in a bar...lung cancer...you're right to smoke in a bar...oh the moral quandry is *so* difficult!


It's a bar, not a ******* health spa.

You are a non smoker? You want to work in a bar? Then guess what? People are gonna be SMOKING around you! Oh my!

#21 Jun 11 2004 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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Like the alcohol in a bar is somehow good for people. At least smoking doesn't make you run over the neighbor's kid with you car...while he's asleep in his own bed.

I have to agree with Medius (even though I think it's supposed to be Medicus, at least that what I seem to remember from the Masters of Rome series). It is a bar, not a health spa. Next thing you know, crackheads will be complaining about secondhand smoke.
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#22 Jun 11 2004 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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I have to agree with Medius (even though I think it's supposed to be Medicus, at least that what I seem to remember from the Masters of Rome series).



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Of, relating to, or being an anatomical structure that is between two other similar structures or that is midway in position; middle.



I give you the medius finger. I think I know what I meant for my name to be. Asshat.
#23 Jun 11 2004 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm... Since when did "selling something I don't like" become "immorality"? Do you know where that picture was taken? Do you know what the laws for cigarette sales are in that area? If you don't, then you can't possibly make any judgements about the morality of the scene.

Since when did you get to define someone elses morals?
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I am with you Krem...not only is it immoral, but it is unethical as well. First of all what good comes from cigarette smoking anyway? Nothing...most people say they smoke because it relieves stress...not true...it actually causes stress...but anyway if the person selling ice cream knows that his customers are going to be minors, then he should stick to products that minors can buy...Quality of service...
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#25 Jun 11 2004 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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I give you the medius finger. I think I know what I meant for my name to be. Asshat.


Well, aren't we a pair? You know, I can picture the middle finger pretty well, but I'm having a problem visualizing the asshat. Help me out on that part, wouldja?
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#26 Jun 11 2004 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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Hmmm... Since when did "selling something I don't like" become "immorality"? Do you know where that picture was taken? Do you know what the laws for cigarette sales are in that area? If you don't, then you can't possibly make any judgements about the morality of the scene.

Since when did you get to define someone elses morals?



Good point Smash. Kinda like what I was trying to tell the OP. He's the one calling the action "immoral", not me.
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