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#1 May 14 2004 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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i was just wondering who on the forums are conservative or liberal....


well more so i wanna see a huge argument come up
#2 May 14 2004 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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The two terms are a bit too broad IMO. Someone can be Conservative on some issues and Liberal on others.

If you want to stir up a debate, just pick a topic that's going to polarize the two sides, and see who argue's which side...
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#3 May 14 2004 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Well,

I think Elvaan would be the most conservative, with there silly family values and glorious kingdom hopes.

I'm just playing around, but I found it funny.
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Gabji can't take a stand on absolutely anything at all, so he's certainly not going to ever classify himself in any way. You'd be lucky to get him to admit to being human.

I'm a liberal.
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think I would probably rank as a communist too.
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#8 May 14 2004 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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Conservative.
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I used to think I was a liberal and progressive, but Smash's stands on issues make me look like Strom Thurmond sometimes!
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Moderately liberal on most issues.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Gabji can't take a stand on absolutely anything at all, so he's certainly not going to ever classify himself in any way. You'd be lucky to get him to admit to being human.


No. I just don't define myself by a broad definition. I certainly don't just toe a single party line.

Let's see:

I'm against religious instruction in schools
I'm pro choice
I'm pro-"right to bear arms"
I'm pro-legalization
I'm against big government and entitlement
I'm for supply side economic plans


The closest broad definition I can come up with is that I'm fiscally Conservative, and socially Liberal.
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#14 May 14 2004 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, of course. You are a special uniqe snowflake who will only ever vote presicely the way a conservative would. That's just cooincidence though.
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#15 May 14 2004 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
Yes, of course. You are a special uniqe snowflake who will only ever vote presicely the way a conservative would. That's just cooincidence though.


Nope. I voted against Simon in the last two California governor elections because he's a religious nutball...

I vote based on how well I think a candidate matches what *I* believe on various issues. Not based on what his party is. I've voted for Democrats on several occasions.

How many Republicans have you ever voted for Smash?
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I've never voted for a Republican. I'm not that much of a moron to think voting for the individual cnadidate instead of the party is ever a good idea. Lots of people are that stupid, however.

You are case in point. I assume you'll be voting for Kerry then, since Bush is clearly against the vast majority of what you claim to believe in and Kerry is for just about all of it.

Right?

I mean let's check the list:


I'm against religious instruction in schools

Kerry's with you, Bush's against you.

I'm pro choice

Kerry's with you, Bush's against you.

I'm pro-"right to bear arms"

Both candidates positions align with yours.

I'm pro-legalization

Neither candidates positions align with yours, but Kerry's is closer.

I'm against big government and entitlement

Clearly Bush is not your man. He's done more to create new entitlements and gaurantee old ones than any president since FDR.

I'm for supply side economic plans

You don't even know what that means, so it's meaningless to try to vote for someone who belives in the same thing. Both andidates are about the same economic plan wise with the exception of Kerry wanting to roll back some of the more ludicrous parts of the Bush tax cuts to pay for the War.



Edited, Fri May 14 19:28:48 2004 by Smasharoo
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#17 May 14 2004 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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Um... not really.

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I'm against religious instruction in schools

Kerry's with you, Bush's against you.


Really? When did Bush say he wanted to start putting Prayer in public schools?

As much as the left will try to argue this point, when Bush says he wants funding for "religious based instruction", he's talking about school vouchers that can be used to allow students to go to private schools (even ones that are religious). That's a whole different ball of wax, and an initiative I agree with.


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I'm pro choice

Kerry's with you, Bush's against you.


Really? Where do you get that other then your automatic assumption that Republican==ReligiousRight?

I haven't heard of Bush talking about repealing Roe v Wade at all.

You're trying to push your method of picking candidates onto me. You assume that everyone in a party is all the same, so you vote according to the party line. I don't make that assumption. Just because you can't comprehend the difference doesn't mean that it's not there...

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I'm pro-"right to bear arms"

Both candidates positions align with yours.


Sure. You still have given me no reason to vote for Kerry instead of Bush here.

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I'm pro-legalization

Neither candidates positions align with yours, but Kerry's is closer.


Heh. Didn't Bush admit to smoking pot? At least he didn't try some BS about not inhaling...

Again. You can't just assume a position based on the party. If Kerry makes legalizing marijuana and other prohibited drugs a plank in his platform, then I might even vote for him. But until he does, this gives me no reason to switch.


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I'm against big government and entitlement

Clearly Bush is not your man. He's done more to create new entitlements and gaurantee old ones than any president since FDR.


Yeah. Right. How is it the left can't even be consistent with its own arguments?

How can you possibly justify constantly arguing that Bush is about reducing benefits to the poor, and giving tax breaks to the rich, and that his economic plans "only benefit you if you make over 200k a year", and now you are saying he's done more to create entitlements then any president since FDR?

Why don't you vote for Bush then Smash? Seems like he's right up your alley...

Can you at least keep your arguments consitent? He can't be both at the same time Smash? He's either better for the poor, or for the rich. Pick one reason to slam him. You lose total credibility when you pull something this dumb.

EDIT: Why on earth can we only make 5 quotes in a post? Someone fix this...

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I'm for supply side economic plans

You don't even know what that means, so it's meaningless to try to vote for someone who belives in the same thing.
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Ah. Which nicely explains the several dozen times I've argued economics with you and *you* have pointed to my argument, called it "Supply Side Economics", declared that it doesn't work, and then gone on with your argument.

If I don't know what it is, how is it that you label my economic position as Supply Side Smash? Your own words contradict eachother. This is just pathetic, even for you...


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Both andidates are about the same economic plan wise with the exception of Kerry wanting to roll back some of the more ludicrous parts of the Bush tax cuts to pay for the War.
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Whatever. We've discussed the differences between Republican economic plans and Democrat economic plans. They are different. The total approach is different. You know it. I know it. That's the main reason I will tend to vote Republican unless there's an overwhelming reason not to (especially at the federal level).

If Kerry's plan is so similar to Bush's, then why are you constantly saying Bush botched up the US economy? Again. You can't have it both ways. Either Bush is doing things very differently from Kerry, in which case I'm justified in choosing to vote for Bush based on those differences, or their economic plans are very similar, in which case you have no justification to slam Bush on the economy.

Pick one Smash. I just ask for consistency here...

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Um... not really.


Really.


Really? When did Bush say he wanted to start putting Prayer in public schools?

As much as the left will try to argue this point, when Bush says he wants funding for "religious based instruction", he's talking about school vouchers that can be used to allow students to go to private schools (even ones that are religious). That's a whole different ball of wax, and an initiative I agree with.



Oh I don't know probably when he filed a breid in texas saying it was a great and legal idea:

And Texas Governor George W. Bush, who is seeking the Republican presidential nomination, has filed a brief supporting student-led prayer.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/jan-june00/prayerdecision.html


Really? Where do you get that other then your automatic assumption that Republican==ReligiousRight?

I haven't heard of Bush talking about repealing Roe v Wade at all.

You're trying to push your method of picking candidates onto me. You assume that everyone in a party is all the same, so you vote according to the party line. I don't make that assumption. Just because you can't comprehend the difference doesn't mean that it's not there...


Are you out of your mind?

I don't know who you're trying to convince, but if you think Bush's position on R v Wade isn't crystal clear you're a fool.

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/document012202.shtml

Consistent with the core principles about which Thomas Jefferson wrote, and to which the Founders subscribed, we should peacefully commit ourselves to seeking a society that values life — from its very beginnings to its natural end. Unborn children should be welcomed in life and protected in law.



Sure. You still have given me no reason to vote for Kerry instead of Bush here.

I gave you two.


Heh. Didn't Bush admit to smoking pot? At least he didn't try some BS about not inhaling...

Again. You can't just assume a position based on the party. If Kerry makes legalizing marijuana and other prohibited drugs a plank in his platform, then I might even vote for him. But until he does, this gives me no reason to switch.

No, Bush didn't. Kerry did. CLINTON, by the way, isn't running for president in '04. You can't vote for or against him.

Bush gave a ******** "It's a destructive question" answer. He also advocates Christ as a way for addicts to recover. Here's his drug policy:

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/search/index.html



Yeah. Right. How is it the left can't even be consistent with its own arguments?

How can you possibly justify constantly arguing that Bush is about reducing benefits to the poor, and giving tax breaks to the rich, and that his economic plans "only benefit you if you make over 200k a year", and now you are saying he's done more to create entitlements then any president since FDR?

Because his entitlements benefit DRUG COMPANIES as opposed to PEOPLE. That's a fairly large distinction in my mind.



Why don't you vote for Bush then Smash? Seems like he's right up your alley...

Can you at least keep your arguments consitent? He can't be both at the same time Smash? He's either better for the poor, or for the rich. Pick one reason to slam him. You lose total credibility when you pull something this dumb.

I'm being completely consistent. I'm also not the one who said I vote for the candidate who represents what I belive in. I'm the one who said I vote for the PARTY who represents what I beleive in. So, even if Bush suddently beame Karl Marx, i wouldn't vote for him.

I'm not the one attempting to take the ******** "independent" stance here, you are.



Ah. Which nicely explains the several dozen times I've argued economics with you and *you* have pointed to my argument, called it "Supply Side Economics", declared that it doesn't work, and then gone on with your argument.

If I don't know what it is, how is it that you label my economic position as Supply Side Smash? Your own words contradict eachother. This is just pathetic, even for you...

Because you aruge that Regean ran a great economy. I then say supply side economics was a failure, because Regan practiced them. You then get all confused and tell me that the TVA was supply side economics in practice or FDR was a supply side hero or whatever and I have to stop posting and laugh my *** off.

Refering to a concept doens't mean you understand it. Stephen Hawking studies quantum mechanics, I can say that without a deep understainding of quantum medchanics.



Whatever. We've discussed the differences between Republican economic plans and Democrat economic plans. They are different. The total approach is different. You know it. I know it. That's the main reason I will tend to vote Republican unless there's an overwhelming reason not to (especially at the federal level).

So you're voting for the party then and not the man?

Game, set, match me. Thank you very much for playing.


If Kerry's plan is so similar to Bush's, then why are you constantly saying Bush botched up the US economy? Again. You can't have it both ways. Either Bush is doing things very differently from Kerry, in which case I'm justified in choosing to vote for Bush based on those differences, or their economic plans are very similar, in which case you have no justification to slam Bush on the economy.

Pick one Smash. I just ask for consistency here...

The diffrence is the tax cuts. I pointed that out. That's the main problem I have with the Bush economy. Too much spending and not enough money coming in. It's a simple problem with a simple solution. Kerry's plan offers that solution.

If you're fiscally conservative you should be outraged at Bush's performance so far. Every other fiscal conservative in YOUR PARTY is...
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#19 May 27 2004 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I am radically liberal.

*Against Confuscian beliefs
*Against uniforms in schools
*Against allowing adults to boss children around
*Against letting the Invisible Hand do everything about economy
*Against United States of course!
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And we'd be more than happy to leave your little hole of a country so that your peace loving friends in the north could show you how neighborly they can be. Enjoy that.

Of course, that will never happen. So for now, quit talking. It messes up the hummer your country is giving us for that big fat welfare check.
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#21 May 27 2004 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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If you're fiscally conservative you should be outraged at Bush's performance so far. Every other fiscal conservative in YOUR PARTY is...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

How big is that paintbrush you have there Smashypoo?
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I dont like either candidate all that much, but Bush is by far the bigger evil. His cabinet and friends care only if it fills their pockets. What a coincidence that Haliburton gets the LARGEST GOVT. CONTRACT EVER for operations in Iraq. Plus, Bush is a nutball...most of the world hated us before, and I guess Bush's foriegn policy was to go ahead and get everyone else to as well except his F**k buddy Blair. Then the whole NAFTA thing is a total blow in the face of american workers. Its strange, bc I am a christian (never said I was a perfect one!) yet I see more in the ways of the Bible's teaching's in Kerry and the Democrats than in Bush. Im sorry to bring religion into all this, but I think it is an issue to be discussed bc like it or not this country was founded upon religious ideals. Bush is about the only person who has EVER sincerely made me wish I was NOT an american. In the words of that good old band from San Francisco, "Sad, but true."

(I really cant wait for M. Moore's Farenheit 9/11....though not a huge fan of Michael Moore on most issues, I almost totally agree with him on his opinions on Bush)

However, I am not saying that the right is dumb. Only Bush. He is a liar, a croney (sp) and quite frankly one of the worst Presidents imo...but we have to realize that society needs the right as much as the left. We need a balance. If the country was run by only the left we would be in as much **** as we are in now...so I am definitely a huge fan of how things work in america (for the most part) in respects to how our govt is constructed (thank you good old framers^^) bc it is HARD for things to get done and requires huge effort to effectively change things...this protects the country from brief popular ideal swings in the public. What the **** am I still talking about???? DOWN WITH BUSH!!!

P.S. Politics is nothing but compromises within a set structure of rules that we all agree to live under. So whether it are right, left, socialist, communist, whatever....you are entitled to your opinion and bc our country is set-up the way it is, I respect you for it and know that without yours, I could never have mine^^
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

How big is that paintbrush you have there Smashypoo?

It's a shame when the facts support my arguments isn't it? You should perhaps consider doing some research before assuming that Republican's are automatically more fiscally conservative than Democrats.

This president has spent more than any President in history, and has generated the largest national debt. Stunning, considering he started with a surplus.

But, don't let that sway your convincing factless argument.
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#24 May 27 2004 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
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I vote Mary Carey straight ticket. I guess that makes me the Heterosexual for **** Party.

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#25 May 27 2004 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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so i am at the 7/11 getting a pop and this chick walks up to me and flashes her ******** We start doing it right there on the floor. The ****** behind the counter says stop, so I hit him in the nose. I'm outside and well at him this is so ***.

Smasharoo is ***.
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"...getting a pop..."?!? What are you, some kind of Michigander or something goofy like that? Dork.

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