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#27 May 12 2004 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Depends, dont hate people writing bad english, but I must admit I cant hold myself from correcting people if they spell tha same word wrong over and over again.
I really dont mean to flame anyone, just the way I am...
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#28 May 12 2004 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Uhm...singforu, IF you claim youre as intelligent as you say,(average iq = 100 at a normal person)
You wouldnt write wHankerz, i mean its uneccesary to add the H, and you are a man of shorten the words you write, btw Noone ever flamed YOU, I can see your post shine a long way from here, and it shine of very little thoughtoutness....

Btw what I mean above is that you dont have to be dumb even if you cant write proper languages, thats just one of 7 ways to rate the IQ, everyone has their strong sides, and weak sides there.(or atleast most ppl do)
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#29 May 12 2004 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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Gramma? Wutchu tokin bout Willis?
#30 May 12 2004 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Never used it...AND I can see you never done so either...
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#31 May 12 2004 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm just as intelligent as any you! So big ****** deal, you can write so proper! If I need to write in a professional way, I can, and I will!


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#32 May 12 2004 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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[quote=singforu]...Hehe. Not sure if you're serious or not, but just in case you are: A spell/grammar checker will not make you seem smart. It will just make you look like someone who can't write well using a spell/grammar checker. It really is that obvious...

So true! I have staff that work for me that are not the world's greatest writers, yet they still have to put out reports that may end up being read by a judge or an elected official. In these cases, proper writing is essential. A professional product that is poorly done sends the message that the writer either did not know what he was doing or did not care. Either one is disasterous.

Spelling and grammar checkers make "programmed suggestions." If you don't have enough knowledge to accept the right suggestions, your product is worse than worthless.

However, in a chat room or in game when you're trying to get a message out quickly 'cause there's mobs beating on you - gd grmmr not req.
#33 May 12 2004 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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What irritates me is when people make a post and it is just one long run-on sentence. It makes it very difficult to read and understand.
"I knew that there existed at home a large party of doctrinaires, composed of men of very fair intentions, but of very limited means of observation, who fancied excellencies under other systems, much as the ultra-liberals of Europe, fancy perfection under our own; and, while I knew what I was doing was no more than one nail driven into an edifice that required a million, I thought it might be well enough to show the world that there was a writer among ourselves of some vogue in Europe, who believed that the American system was founded on just and durable principles."

James Fenimore Cooper, high priest of the lengthy sentence.

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#34 May 12 2004 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
proper gramming and spelling when having a conversation doesnt really matter as long as your understanable, but when your at work or something serious or professional its very important.

just because i type poorly sometimes doesnt mean im stupid, all it means is that i dont give a sh*t ;)
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#35 May 12 2004 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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IF you claim youre as intelligent as you say,(average iq = 100 at a normal person)
You wouldnt write wHankerz, i mean its uneccesary to add the H, and you are a man of shorten the words you write, btw Noone ever flamed YOU, I can see your post shine a long way from here, and it shine of very little thoughtoutness....

Btw what I mean above is that you dont have to be dumb even if you cant write proper languages, thats just one of 7 ways to rate the IQ, everyone has their strong sides, and weak sides there.(or atleast most ppl do)



Dangit son... ye lost me! My limited intel cant fig if yu just rip'd me or not... :)

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#36 May 12 2004 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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just because i type poorly sometimes doesnt mean im stupid, all it means is that i dont give a sh*t ;)


I can go with that. However, forgive me if I don't bother reading your posts if there are loads of mistakes in it. A post laden with improper spelling and punctuation isn't worth my time to read. It doesn't have to be perfect, just comprehensible.
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#37 May 12 2004 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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How about this run-on sentence?

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It is rather for us the living, we here be dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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#38 May 12 2004 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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If you use propper grammer in EQ, it makes you look smart.Try and refrain from using.
"omg ill c u later. ur so kewl." etc etc

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#39 May 12 2004 at 7:28 PM Rating: Excellent
Cygar wrote:
If you use propper grammer in EQ, it makes you look smart.Try and refrain from using.
"omg ill c u later. ur so kewl." etc etc

Edited, Wed May 12 20:03:36 2004 by Cygar


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#40 May 12 2004 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Well well... looks like I opened a can of worms here. ^_^;

I stand by my first post, in that I think how someone writes reflects their intelligence. I don't pass my stuff through a spell checker (unless I don't know how to spell a word!) or a grammar checker, so bite me Singforu. I don't really care if you think you're smarter than I am. Keep thinking I'm some **** eliteist... whatever. I was just seeing if people thought using "neways ill c u l8r!" was annoying, not if you thought I was a "whanker".

[quote Kelvyquayo]wahtever.... do you judge people based on hair styles and clothing you don't like too?

waht if they talk in a different dialect?... would you say all peopele in Appalacia <(sp) are stupid because they can't pronounce words like you do.?

it's an elitist attitude right there. [/quote]

Yes, I do judge people on their hairstyles and clothing. So what? I'm allowed to ya know... If someone walks by with a mohawk, I'm allowed to assume they're a "punk", or if they walk by in a suit, I'm allowed to assume their a upstanding business man. I could be wrong, but who ******* cares?
I never said anything about people speaking another dialect or language, and if that was the case I wouldn't be quite as critical of their writing. But I'm ASSUMING that most people here speak English and have taken a few classes in school for writing properly.

Heres the deal, for all you people quick to judge:

I think its lazy to shorten most words (ur, l8r), and it makes you look like an idiot to me. Thats what I see.

I don't care if you use things like "BRB OMG WTF" online or otherwise, as thats the same as shortening something like the NAACP; you shorten it so its not so cumbersome to say. (and yes, I did check to see if I spelled cumbersome right!)

Punctuation is important, I don't care how much of a hurry you are in. I'm not expecting everyone to use apostraphes and semicolons, but I do expect them to at least use periods and commas.

/sigh

Think what you want of me, I don't really care. ^_^
I just wanted to see what others felt, and apparently we have three groups here:

1) Agrees that punctuation/grammar/spelling is somewhat important.

2) Believes that punctuation/grammar/spelling are important, but only in professional settings.

3) People who like to put others down and believe that I am an "elitist" and a "whanker".
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#41 May 12 2004 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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People who like to put others down and believe that I am an "elitist" and a "whanker".


My comment was only based on the remark about writing reflecting intelligence...and I only said that the attitude was elitist, not you.
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#42 May 13 2004 at 9:32 AM Rating: Default
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can go with that. However, forgive me if I don't bother reading your posts if there are loads of mistakes in it. A post laden with improper spelling and punctuation isn't worth my time to read. It doesn't have to be perfect, just comprehensible.



Then WHY ARE YE READING THEM!!!!!!! If ye no like our post cuz we dont write to YOUR friggin snobbish standards, why are ye reading them! I know ye are reading them! We all know ye are.
Ye can't resist it!

Why, you're reading this post now! HUH! sure ye are!

This post has numerous spilling errors and chalk full of grammar mistakes, etc... So, ye beeter not reply to this post, ye beeter not infer in anywayz to this post. IF you do, it means ye just read it and ye just a sissy act and hippocrit!

PS...

So, just how many mistake are we allowed to be comprehensible, so our posts can be read by yer highness?
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#43 May 13 2004 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't pass my stuff through a spell checker (unless I don't know how to spell a word!) or a grammar checker, so bite me Singforu.


No.... ChibiMagatsu, ye bite me! Ye ***** lyin sissy!

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Keep thinking I'm some **** eliteist...


I will, and now I think yer lying-****-eliteist-sissy.

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Yes, I do judge people on their hairstyles and clothing. So what?


And I am going to judge YOU by your writings! From your writings, I can tell you're;

...a snob.
...a liar.
...an elitist wannabe... **** at that.
...sissy!

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Think what you want of me, I don't really care. ^_^


Awww.... aint that clever, ^_^, he shut his eyes to us!
If you no care what I think of ye, why are we to care what ye think of us and our writing skillz??? Hippocrit snob.
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#44 May 13 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Umm...this was written as a speech and not as prose. Give Abe a break, he was riding on a 19th century train from Washington to Gettysburg and had a lot on his mind.

If he had a palm pilot he may have written...
4 score & 7 years ago, r 4fathers put 4th upon this continent etc.

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#45 May 13 2004 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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If he had a palm pilot he may have written...
4 score & 7 years ago, r 4fathers put 4th upon this continent etc.


Smiley: lol

The sad part is, it wouldn't suprise me if GW wrote his like that. Of course, I'm sure they paid good money for a speech-writer for him to avoid just that.
#46 May 13 2004 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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I rarely use abbreviations in my typing, nor do I use a word-check or grammar check very often. I will if I'm writing a paper that I have to turn in, just in case, but I rarely listen to the grammar check on Word, since it makes worse mistakes than I do, and half the time, the spell check doesn't have the word I'm trying to spell anyway. Stupid microsoft word.

I don't type poorly or use abbreviations not because I don't want to fall into a "bad habit", but because I want to type the way I should.

I type very fast, and I learned how to type properly. I worked as a typist for a newspaper and as a secretary, and then when I got into school, I had a lot of typing to do for papers, and my own hobby is writing short stories (with the intention of one day writing a real novel...). So, I started out by typing properly and I continued to type properly to the point that I have to make a determined effort to type improperly. So, for other people, they have to make an effort to type properly, and they don't if they don't have to. I have to make an effort to type improperly, so I don't if I don't have to. :)

My grammar likely isn't one hundred percent perfect. But it is readable. I don't use ; and :'s properly, and I'm told I overuse the , ... , but I'd rather overuse than underuse, so long as I don't go overboard, and, start, doing, something, like, this (which I can see a certain someone on this thread doing, just to prove a point :).

I learned to type properly, and while I don't look down on others who use abbreviations, "ur", "l8r", etc, I also won't use them. Why? Call me a snob if you will, but I also don't use "ain't", "my moms" and other incorrect ways of speaking. I wasn't brought up that way. So, I never used it, and I don't use it, and I won't ever use it (unless I'm writing dialogue for a character or something like that). Does that make people who use things like that stupid? No. My brother can't spell or type properly and he's pretty smart. My mother has atrocious spelling and she's pretty smart. I went to college with someone who used "my moms" consistently and it drove me nuts, but she was very smart.

The only times I ever abbreviate things is when I'm on a board or game where there's a limit to how much you can type in a single message (like FFXI, where you have two lines), and if I'm in a rush, I'll use common abbreviations like lvl and ppl. I still don't use ur and l8r, though. I do use LOL, BRB, AFK, etc, because those aren't contracted words, they're acronyms for something. (Yes, I know acronyms are usually things like L.A.S.E.R and R.A.D.A.R. and B.R.B doesn't count because you can't pronounce BRB in a sentence (well, you could try...) but I don't remember what the real term for BRB and AFK and the like are.)

And.. I am QUEEN OF THE RUN ON SENTENCE! However, my sentences are punctuated properly and I like paragraphs. Paragraphs are my friend.
Pretty paragraphs...

Ahem..
Sorry. I like ,'s, parenthesized comments, and paragraphs. :) I tend to wax eloquent about them, when I have to talk about grammar at all. ;)
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...I am QUEEN OF THE RUN ON SENTENCE!...
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#48 May 13 2004 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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*giggle* Thanks for the bowing down? Really, not necessary though. At least wear knee-pads or something! ;)
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#49 May 13 2004 at 9:11 PM Rating: Decent
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So was the point of this thread that Kiatrix is a really good typist?

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If he had a palm pilot he may have written...
4 score & 7 years ago, r 4fathers put 4th upon this continent etc.
Actually that's how GWB's teleprompter displays his speeches for him. Smiley: cool
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#50 May 14 2004 at 4:57 AM Rating: Good
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Trendiness and hipness aside, quality writing shows the true measure of a writer. Such strength of character includes proper spelling, syntax, grammar, and when done well, a deviation from said rules to provide a sense of style so as to give a distinct signature to a post.

Yes, I am an internet snob and the vast majority of you FFXIers are beneath me. Deal with it.

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#51 May 14 2004 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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Yanari the Puissant wrote:
So was the point of this thread that Kiatrix is a really good typist?


Since the world naturally revolves around me also, then naturally so does this post. *puts on her Queen of the Universe cap, looks like a dunce cap, except it has sparklies on it* :P

I think the point of this thread was 'what were your opinions on people who type poorly?'. And then it turned into a people who type properly are elitist snobs. So I tossed in my two cents (I use the giant stone wheel type cents (from the islands of Yap), which explains my monster posts, by the way) about the way I type, why I type that way, and despite all that, I'm not an elitist snob? At least, not about typing I'm not an elitist snob. You can possibly argue other things about my perceptions of different people, but not typing. :) I "grew up" on a BBS, then on various text based RPG's, so I've encountered all types of typists. Some of the worst typists I know are some of my best friends and are smart.

So... I suppose I don't do summaries well, but I disagree with the idea that people who type poorly are inherently stupid. It does send across a certain stereotype about that person, but if you actually read what they type, instead of how they type, it will quickly dispel that stereotype.
(And this goes vice-versa, people who type well are not all intelligent, but it does send that stereotype. Reading what they type will also dispel that stereotype of that individual person.)

... There, there! I summarized what I meant in something under 100 words! See, I can learn! :) (Even my edit add-on in parenthesi didn't take my summary over 100 words. I need to mark this day in my calender. It's a special day. ;)

Edited, Fri May 14 09:07:18 2004 by Kiatrix
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