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#1 May 11 2004 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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When you're in a party, and someone goes "what is ur enhancing lvl?", does it bother you? Or when someone doesn't use punctuation throughout an entire post, does it bother you?

The first one bothers me, and the second one to a certain degree. I can see not using an apostrophe in they're (theyre) due to being lazy, but omitting the periods from a post is uncalled for.
Maybe I'm just being ****, but I believe that the way you write reflects your intelligence, and when someone doesn't take the time to make it correct, they're just portraying themselves as an idiot...
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#2 May 11 2004 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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i have a few thoughts on this being dyslexic(sp?) thus my tag of worlds worst speller.

1. in a proffesional setting, work, resumes, etc. it is extreemly important to use proper grammer and have good correct spelling.

2. in a semi formal setting proper gramer can be relaxed a tad, but spelling, when possible, should be there.

3. in an informal setting like umongst friends, then it is totaly up to the group you are with. informal settings i just dont even stress over my grammer or my spelling as it takes way to much time to look things up to spell them correctly.

4. on the WWW ,,|_ is my answere. i do prefer that ppl at least try to split up long posts with paragraphs as that does make it easier to read, but for spelling and exact grammer and punctuation. forget it. just not worth the hassle for those of us with issues. ill not waist my time to find the proper spelling for every word i type. ill also not waist my time to use " ' " in words like ill and its and others like them.

that is just MHO on things. when i need to do either #1 or #2 i always use a spell checkers, then have someone proof that letter before i send it out.
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I'm very careful with my spelling in posts and e-mails but when it comes to IRC or game chat I throw it all to the wind and rarely capitalize or punctuate anything. I'm sure it must drive the rest of the staff crazy. ^_^ I guess it's the environment and the speed.
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#4 May 11 2004 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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I guess it's the environment and the speed.


Well then... You should just lay off the speed... ;)

Couldn't help myself. Sorry. Muahahaha...


I'm pretty much the same. In a business environment, I take great pains to make sure that grammar and spelling are as good as possible. Odds are the only way people who recieve that email know you is via emails you've sent, so their perception of you is going to be based purely on how you write. That's pretty huge.

In a more casual setting the spelling and grammar don't really matter that much. However, I still tend to avoid using the common net mangulations that pass for grammar sometimes. UR, NE, 4, etc, just bug me really. I think their use makes the person writing it look unintelligent, not just in a hurry. After all, it's not like you saved a significant amount of time writing NE instead of any, or 4 instead of for/four. If you do save a significant amount of time using abbreviations, then you probably aren't saying much of importance anyway.

Obviously, some abbreviations are just convenient though. Within the context of a game, they don't really bother me. BRB, OMW, ROFL, etc are fine. They're usually just one liners essentially, and I can deal with that. It's when people insert stuff into a sentence that it drives me nuts: "Can ne1 tell me how U can get UR quest done?" is just sloppy IMO (haha!).
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#5 May 11 2004 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I be thonking one should allwayz tryz to be a goodly at at grammar and spills correctly! Like me! See, my four years in forth grade has finaly paid off!!!

And dey sayz Im slow, datz not true, I be dodging them blows to me haed pretty fast now!

BTW.... ur on a frikin forum, and you dealing with the average Joe Blowme, the IQ of which is lower than the IQ of me annus!

And no, the way one writes (on this forum) does not in any way, shape, or form indicates thier intelligence, or is proof that they're an idiot.
However, the way YOU write does indicate that you're being a snobbish assshole! Sorry, I callz it as I see it!

Oh, no one at a RL party is going to use online slang terms to talk... sorry...it aint gonna happen!

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#6 May 11 2004 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
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Oh BTW on all ye grammar snobs...

You're using Microsoft Word to grammar/spell check your written crap, don't even deny it, that would be a sissy act!

Even a moron can use a grammar/spell check and seem smart!
So dont puff yeselfz up too much...ummm ok!?
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Oh BTW on all ye grammar snobs...

You're using Microsoft Word to grammar/spell check your written crap, don't even deny it, that would be a sissy act!

Even a moron can use a grammar/spell check and seem smart!
So dont puff yeselfz up too much...ummm ok!?



Eh? Pico (the default editor for Pine) has a spell checker? Wow...


Hehe. Not sure if you're serious or not, but just in case you are: A spell/grammar checker will not make you seem smart. It will just make you look like someone who can't write well using a spell/grammar checker. It really is that obvious.
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#8 May 11 2004 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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id bet im more intelleegent then u, u idiot
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#9 May 11 2004 at 5:04 PM Rating: Decent
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thx plz bi.

Only thing that aggrivates me is when people shorted a word by 1-3 letters. Is it really that much more work?


If someone asked me to help them, without even putting in effort to type correctly, then my answer is always no, no matter who it is. That's my stance =P

It's common courtesy.
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#10 May 11 2004 at 5:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can't spell. never claimed to be able to spell. probably never will be able to spell. Spelling ability takes up brain mass that could otherwise be allocated for things such as cureing cancer research or lepton theory.
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#11 May 11 2004 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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My brain came with its own version of spell checker, thanks, so no I don't use Word's. ^_^
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#12 May 11 2004 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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How important is proper grammar/spelling?


Simple, how important is not looking like a moron to you?

The answer to one is the answer to both.
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#13 May 11 2004 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I believe that the way you write reflects your intelligence

wahtever.... do you judge people based on hair styles and clothing you don't like too?

waht if they talk in a different dialect?... would you say all peopele in Appalacia <(sp) are stupid because they can't pronounce words like you do.?

it's an elitist attitude right there.

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#14 May 11 2004 at 5:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I believe that the way you write reflects your intelligence

No it reflects how well you write. Stephen Hawking's grammar in Japanese probably isn't that great. Does that make him an idiot? Writing is a skill like carpentry. Being a good carpenter doesn't make you good at anything else, nor does being a good writer. Writing well is a sign that someone taught you to write well, but that's about it.

Spelling well is a sign that someone taught you to spell. It's also pretty much meaningless. What signifigance is there in someone saying or writing "That's to hard for me." There's no confusion in context or meaning, what possible point is there to spelling correctly other than to satisfy an arbitrary structure imposed on the language apparently at random?
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I dont have a problem with spelling or grammer in a normal reply, but when someone flames and spells "no one" as one word or something like that, then he/she should not be flaming anyone.
#16 May 11 2004 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I try to keep my spelling and grammar pretty clean generally. Not for the purpose of trying to appear smarter than the next "dood", but to avoid falling into bad habits.

I have to write quite a bit for my job, very dry, legal sounding gibberish. Most of the time I'm giving other people written instructions on how to write dry, legal sounding gibberish. That doesn't leave a lot of room for being sloppy.

I've had to decipher countless letters, memos and notes written by "professionals" that look they were written by people with a 7th grade education, at best. Yes, it does color my opinion of that person's intelligence.

And there's nothing wrong with using a spell checker to catch typos my eyeballs may miss. That's just silly.
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#17 May 11 2004 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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That's a really good way to put it Yanari, about not wanting to get into the bad habit of spelling bad all the time I mean. It's a really big issue in the Hawaii educational system because there's a local dialect of English spoken here called "Pidgin". A horrid amount of people in Hawaii can't write or spell correctly because of the blurring between Pidgin and English. It's spoken everywhere and each island has it's own "flavor" of it as well.

The only moderately close example I can come up with off hand is Rob Schneider in 50 First Dates. He spoke pretty decent Pidgin in that one.
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#18 May 11 2004 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
Writing well just goes toward making an impression. One can make the argument all he wants, that spelling and grammar mean nothing, but in the end people will still judge based on their impressions.
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#19 May 11 2004 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't care much about spelling on the internet unless it's for work. What irritates me is when people make a post and it is just one long run-on sentence. It makes it very difficult to read and understand.
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" waht if they talk in a different dialect?... would you say all peopele in Appalacia <(sp) are stupid because they can't pronounce words like you do.? "


I live in WV, and yes, if someone wasn't speaking correctly I would probably consider that whenever I spoke with them.

Speaking with a style, or being foreign in nature is one thing. Even mispelling is alright, I don't expect everyone to know how to spell everything.

Not finishing a word by typing 2-3 more letters, especially when they are ASKING YOU FOR HELP...well, that's not acceptable to me.

It's just courtesy. I get asked a lot for things, and I help the people generally that take the time to finish words and ask without sounding demanding.

I don't think that is too much to ask for, I mean...if they expect me to spend my time helping them...the least they could do is take a moment to ask for that time correctly.

It's not elitism. It's common sense. It has nothing to do with capability. It has to do with laziness.
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I know I'm a terrible speller but I put alot of effort into trying to spell words correctly. The thing that gets me most about internet shortcuts is things like: u and ne1 or u r. I can deal with noob, cya and things like that. But NE1? What are you refering to? 1 knee? (Yes I know it's anyone)
I also hate no capitalization at the beginning of a sentance or any periods at the end/ The worst is CAPS or !?!?!?!?!!!!!????!!!!?!!!!!!!
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#22 May 12 2004 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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#23 May 12 2004 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Why would spelling and grammar be important in a conversation based in the written word?
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#24 May 12 2004 at 7:49 AM Rating: Decent
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[quote][It's common sense. It has nothing to do with capability. It has to do with laziness.
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my point was somthing like this...

People in WV or where ever.... When talking local dialects... ummm.. If somone says "get at it".. or "get you at it"... people say that it's bad grammar..... bad education... it really isn't.... waht this is; is laguage patterns carrying over from cultural heritage.... In Gaelic, "Get at it" is a direct translation of sentence structure from that language... I'm half asleep..... but if You're from WV or around there or interested in such things this link i good.

http://www.wvculture.org/history/journal_wvh/wvh30-2.html
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Well people have to say things improper or else we would live in a very boring world. Imagine if everyone spoke perfect Grammer. It would be a dull language.

Its not laziness its just that particular person's style of writing or talking.


Most do this because they are in a rush. Everything nowdays is in a rush.



There are exceptions, you do have some people that do not know what the **** they are doing.

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Bottom line to ye grammar-snobbish-puffedup-whankerz....

I'm just as intelligent as any you! So big ****** deal, you can write so proper! If I need to write in a professional way, I can, and I will!

By the way, your proper useage of grammar and spelling doesn't impress me at all! I can still see that you're a bunch of whankers!



And remember this all ye friggin SMART whankerz....
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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