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#1 May 01 2004 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Hello.
Who do you think should win? Pres. Bush. Or the other guy, what was his name though?
I say the other guy.
#2 May 01 2004 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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While i can understand your reasoning for not voting for an individual, don't you think that at least knowing the 'Other guy's' name is at least the bare minimum of your knowlage of his policies before you reach the ballot box.

/em counts to 10 slowly........

Voting is extremely important and policy is more important than personality.

GWB didn't make the appauling discision on his lonesome, he had a dozen other people advising him to do it.

I surgest that you get hold of a copy of the manefesto of both parties and inwardly digest the infomation pertaining to issues that are important to you and your husband before commiting to either cause.
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#3 May 01 2004 at 7:36 AM Rating: Decent
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It is not that i dispise GWB. I just like "the other guy":)
#4 May 01 2004 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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I think that my post was far to complex for you to understand, i appologise.

I shall keep away from any other threads that you begin.

Have a nice day and say hi to your other half i am sure he's a nice guy.

Oh and post one for the team on the Lasttm Thread, community spirit is everything. Smiley: grin
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#5 May 01 2004 at 9:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Just so you know, the other guy is John Kerry. I personally will never vote for our current President. I despise the decisions he's made (or the decisions his advisers made for him). I also will not vote for Sen. John Kerry. His ideal are against some of mine. He will have to make a major turn around before i vote for him. So, unless the President makes me so angry that I will vote for anyone over him, and he does have plenty of time, I would rather not vote.
#6 May 03 2004 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm a Libertarian, so if the election will not be close in my state I'll vote for whomever runs for the Libertarian party. But if it's going to be close I'll vote for Bush again.

I'm not crazy about everything he's done, but I think he's done enough right to get my vote. I generally vote for Republicans over Democrats because I consider them the lesser of two evils.
#7 May 03 2004 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Okay so. I'm a Republican. BUT Kerry is my senator. Bad position I'm in. Right now I really dont like Kerry but since my state (Massachusetts) always ends up giving their electoral votes to the Democrat I was thinking I might vote for Kerry anyway. Popular votes really dont mean much.

I really DO hate Kerry though.
#8 May 03 2004 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Alfred E. Neuman for President.
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#9 May 03 2004 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Man, let me just say that it's all a crock...


People are generally imbeciles taht understand ****.
So essentially it is ALL jsut a popularity contest... sure the candidates have to appease some of the people who are actaully listening so they do get called on it...... but really now..

How many "typical" Americans really understand waht the **** is going on?? ANd these are the people in Control.

It's be just as accurate if the candidates played one on one frickin basket ball and people voted based on thier performance.

It's whoever performs better for the drooling masses... whoever can give enough of a bell and whistle speech or attiude that get people votes more than 'policy'.


I'm not against Democracy, I'm against Morons being in control.
GO out and Vote? . for waht? should I chose to be shot in the left temple, or the right?

the only thing that will bring this country togehter is a large scale natural disaster.. or Rapture.. or somthing...
until that day we are winging it on a tight rope walk.. trying to scrape some sense of peace in the oceans of chaos that we have created as humans on this Earth.

ok loveyou bye bye
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#10 May 03 2004 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Not to go off on a tangent of bitterness and despair but it won't matter who you vote for because George W. Moron will get reelected irregardless of who wins the popular (or if your really cynical) the electoral vote.

I mean he didn't actually win LAST time and we just all sat on our asses and picked our noses while he ran off with the presidency and a kilo of white powder.

Hmm, I am probably going to get put on a list for this but I don't care.

Now everyone vote because its all about going through the motions.

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the only thing that will bring this country togehter is a large scale natural disaster.. or Rapture.. or somthing..


Precisely!

Edited for agreement purposes

Edited, Mon May 3 11:08:18 2004 by sheebasaurusrex
#11 May 03 2004 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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/sigh

Where's Totem and Moe when you really need them?

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the only thing that will bring this country togehter is a large scale natural disaster.. or Rapture.. or somthing...

Were you born yesterday? No? Well then you might remember a certain incident that happened on September 11, 2001. Yeah, that little thing. Do you honestly think that we need another one of those to be a united country? Boy, you're a sadistic one, aren't you?
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George W. Moron will get reelected irregardless of who wins the popular (or if your really cynical) the electoral vote.

How do you figure he'll win without the majority of the electoral votes? Please explain exactly how that is possible, because I'm very confused now. I thought that was how the Presidency was decided. Maybe I'm the ignorant one here, though.

I expect a 1000 word essay by tomorrow. Chop chop!

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#12 May 03 2004 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
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How do you figure he'll win without the majority of the electoral votes?


Technically speaking this is impossible. The idea behind electoral votes is that the candidates are granted the State based on the popular vote in that state. The electoral votes each state has are based on population. The larger the number of people, the more electoral votes.

However, in the last election, as I am sure you already know, the Popular vote was not reflected in the results of the electoral college. Al Gore actually received more votes in his favor than President Moron. While this is disturbing in and of itself, what is even more disturbing is the way in which the current leader won the state of Florida.

Aside from the ridiculous news coverage regarding hannging chads and so forth, the truth of the matter was that voters were turned away from the poll places in primarily Democratic counties due to supposed 'mix-ups' regarding voter registration and the tracking of 'felons' in the state. Apparently perfectly innocent citizens had been recorded as 'felons' (a large number of these people were African American residents of primarily democratic counties) and were turned away from the polls...by order of the Governer of the state...the moron's brother.

My comment regarding the possibility of the current president gaining another 4 years in office irregardless of the results is based mostly on cynicism and a complete lack of faith in the electoral process and the american populace.

Not sure if this is 1000 words but it is definitely too long for a forum.

Thank you. Smiley: ducttape won't fix this problem.

Edit: Because spelling is important!


Edited, Mon May 3 12:22:56 2004 by sheebasaurusrex
#13 May 03 2004 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Were you born yesterday? No? Well then you might remember a certain incident that happened on September 11, 2001. Yeah, that little thing. Do you honestly think that we need another one of those to be a united country? Boy, you're a sadistic one, aren't you?


I said "Natural Disaster".

Although I could argue as to the philosophcal way that 9\11 Was a Natural disaster.. I'll keep it simple.

9\ll was a disaster taht did bring some people together.... but is kind of gets watered down by all of the politcal molestation <-- (word inspired by another recent thread ^^) done in the name of 9/11... It becomes another tool. It's like going to war in the name of Christ.

A natural disaster would not be able to be used in this convention. Or the Rapture.... then again.. I guess we'd find a way somehow..

Sadistic? I'm a Realist.

Edited, Mon May 3 12:41:31 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#14 May 03 2004 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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He was implying the Bush would rig the election you slow sons of ********

Fantastic job by the eight of you explaining the elctoral process though. I can just picture it.

"Oh OH!!! SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING THAT I LEARNED ABOUT IN HISTORY CLASS!! I KIN PROOVE EMWRONG...OHHH OHH AHH!!!"

Mr. Kottttahh!!
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My comment regarding the possibility of the current president gaining another 4 years in office irregardless of the results is based mostly on cynicism and a complete lack of faith in the electoral process and the american populace.
And a wink-wink-thank-you to Diebold, makers of crappy voting machines and financial supporters of the Republican party to the tune of $200k+.
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#16 May 03 2004 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Fantastic job by the eight of you explaining the elctoral process though. I can just picture it.


Er, there was only one of me.

And its this inability to count that resulted in the election going south four years ago.
#17 May 03 2004 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Hey, don't blame us for the election. Blame the jews. It's sooooo much easier!

And republicans don't classify blacks as felons so they can't vote. We'd rather have dead people vote in mass numbers to rig our elections.
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#18 May 03 2004 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Up until this election, I thought that there is sufficiently little difference between the presidential candidates of the two major parties that voting was not an issue.

However, the direction that this country is heading right now is not where I want it to be going. It is clear that the people making the decisions in government right now feel that since we have a strong military, we should be using it as a tool of diplomacy.

The old saying is "In order to make an omelette, you have to break some eggs."

My response would be "If your eggs were PEOPLE, don't be making omelettes!!"

The current administration has been able to spin public opinion so far as to make criticism of the government appear Un-American. This is not right. Criticism of the government is not only a right, but the DUTY of an American Citizen.

Democracy is frequently a choice of lesser of two evils. Don't let that prevent you from voting.

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And republicans don't classify blacks as felons so they can't vote. We'd rather have dead people vote in mass numbers to rig our elections
Apparently you're doing it wrong since the dead people keep voting Daley in Smiley: laugh
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#20 May 03 2004 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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And its this inability to count that resulted in the election going south four years ago.

Yeah, whatever, Horshack.
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#21 May 03 2004 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Kerry. Kerry's economic policy will benefit you unless you are making scads of money (six figures minimum) or most all of your income is from long term capital gains or you plan to die very soon (before Bush's mounting debt has to be repaid) and don't give a dingo's kidney about how much your survivers (if any) have to pay for this wild orgy of defecit spending.

Despite supporting Kerry, and having seen Gore loose because of Nader, I still want to point out this race is *not* just between Bush and Kerry.

People who are allowed to should vote. If you honestly don't think either Bush or Kerry represents you interests and you just can't bring yourself to vote for the lesser of two evils, there are third parties. Or you can write in Mickey Mouse. Thousands do it every cycle.

We should all open the book of Simpson to the election chapter. When Dole was running against Clinton, The Simpsons (popular television show, animated) ran the following storyline:

Homer finds out both Clinton and Dole are space aliens intent on enslaving Earth and unmasks them at a debate. The aliens chortle and say "what are you going to do? Its a two party system." To which someone (Lisa?) says effectively "but there are third parties" yet someone in the audience says "ya but in the two party system, a vote for a third party is a wasted vote".

Cut to after the election. One of the aliens wins. All Earth is enslaved. Homer is mining, I don't know, salt or something. He is being whipped by some faceless alien. Someone complains about it and Homer says "don't blame me I voted for the other guy." (The other alien - the one that didn't win).

In a really great year, half the registered voters in the US vote, and about half of the people who are eligable actually register at all. Thus about 25% of the people decide for all. Not only does your vote count, it is likely to effectively count for four people - and that doesn't include all those ineligable to vote who live here.

Why is social security (a welfare/retirement plan for the elderly in the US) such a sacred cow? The old people vote. They register. If you don't you're consenting to bend over and take it up the rear from both sides.

That's why in my state (California) student tuition for university and college increases whenever the economy so much as hiccups. Students don't vote, and since many move right at the times our elections are held (Fall and Spring) it is not so easy to re-register in time for them. An accident? Maybe.

...and don't get me started about jury duty.

Back on topic: there are well known differences between Kerry and Bush. I'm biased so I won't say anything more here right now since the other side is not really making much of a showing. But I'd say find out from somewhere - and if you like neither find a third party. There are many: Green, Libretarian, Peace and Freedom, American Independent, Natural Law...significant numbers of votes to third parties will sway party policies to some extent.
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#22 May 03 2004 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, whatever, Horshack.


How eloquent.
#23 May 03 2004 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I broke it.

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#24 May 03 2004 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Abbay wrote:
Hello.
Who do you think should win? Pres. Bush. Or the other guy, what was his name though?
I say the other guy.


right now its no better then the last seveal elections. its a choice of evil or evil, or if you prefer bad or bad. neither are good, but at least with the one in office now you know what he will do.

as for the other guy (whom ever it ends up being) you have no idea. one of them is Mr. flipflop, the others are just screwed in the head worse then the guy in office now.

there has not been a real 2 party election since back to ford and carter, or heck even further back if you really want to get into it. by that i mean that both canidates had more then 1 thing going for them in the possitive way of running the country. now you just have stupid ppl owned by big business, or wanting to give more money to big gov. and both are just bad for everyone around.
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#25 May 03 2004 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, you CAN be elected without a majority of the Electoral votes.

There are currently 538 electoral votes, 270 are needed to win.

If nobody gets 270, the House of Representatives votes for President.

This could happen in two ways:

- Kerry & Bush have a 269-269 tie

or

- If a third-party candidate receives at least one vote. For example, if Kerry got 269, Bush 266, and Nader 3.

In either case, the currently Republican House could likely elect Bush president.



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Homer finds out both Clinton and Dole are space aliens intent on enslaving Earth and unmasks them at a debate. The aliens chortle and say "what are you going to do? Its a two party system." To which someone (Lisa?) says effectively "but there are third parties" yet someone in the audience says "ya but in the two party system, a vote for a third party is a wasted vote".

Cut to after the election. One of the aliens wins. All Earth is enslaved. Homer is mining, I don't know, salt or something. He is being whipped by some faceless alien. Someone complains about it and Homer says "don't blame me I voted for the other guy." (The other alien - the one that didn't win).
Actually, someone says "I'll vote for a third party!" and Kang says "Go ahead! Throw your vote away! Hahaha!" and then they show Ross Perot get all mad and punch his fist through his hat.

It's a gag. A joke. Not a comment on American politics that both of the main parties are evil monsters and we should all vote libertarian. People who try to find philosophy in the Simpsons worry me.
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