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#1 Nov 16 2010 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
Obviously max refresh and /WHM make BRD into a pretty serious healer. What else is out there that people have found useful?
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#2 Nov 16 2010 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Minikin is obvious enough for the first one.

For your second, nothing is going to be terribly useful. May as well just use ambition for the refresh, fc, and move speed. It's not much really, but neither is anything else.
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#3 Nov 16 2010 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not a brd, but got atma of the deep devourer off cirein-croin which has song spellcasting time -20% which seems like it could make a good second atma.
#4 Nov 16 2010 at 3:29 PM Rating: Default
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Dantedmc wrote:
I'm not a brd, but got atma of the deep devourer off cirein-croin which has song spellcasting time -20% which seems like it could make a good second atma.
That would be garbage.
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#5 Nov 16 2010 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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Because you need more refresh atmas? I didn't say it was amazing I just said it could be useful.
#6 Nov 16 2010 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Dantedmc wrote:
Because you need more refresh atmas? I didn't say it was amazing I just said it could be useful.
But it's not useful. Without minstel's ring, you can hit 47% with ambition relatively easily. You wouldn't seriously drop 10% fc for all your white magic, as well as move speed, and an extra 5/tic refresh (admittedly that's not terribly useful to a brd when you've already got minikin, various refresh gear, and probably ballads too, but not completely useless either), all for an extra -3% song cast time, would you? Not to mention +2 hat would cap you anyway. Minstrel's ring would make it almost impossible to not be capped, but to be fair, dropping a thousand hp for it is rather silly, so i'll leave that out).

Edited, Nov 16th 2010 4:46pm by ThePsychoticOne
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#7 Nov 16 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Because brd doesn't have move + feet af3? Brd won't run out of mp either the only thing u would be loosing out on is fc which if your that worried about trade in minikin for it.
#8 Nov 16 2010 at 4:05 PM Rating: Default
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Dantedmc wrote:
Because brd doesn't have move + feet af3? Brd won't run out of mp either the only thing u would be loosing out on is fc which if your that worried about trade in minikin for it.
There's always going to be short periods of time those aren't on, plus it gives the option of using serpentes.

Maybe your brd won't run out of mp, but personally, i use a @#%^ ton of mp on cures. Constantly spamming cure4s uses a lot of mp.

Like i said, it's not much, but it sure as **** beats 3% song cast time. Ya know, assuming you're not already capped with just ambition.

Edited, Nov 16th 2010 5:09pm by ThePsychoticOne
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#9 Nov 16 2010 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
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It says there is no cap on song cast time, but I don't trust the wiki. Regardless why wouldn't you have a macro for putting on those boots and taking them off? Also not all brds have capped -song time so just because it doesn't help your build doesn't mean it won't help theirs. I can't see a time in abysssea where you are completely out of mp on brd and have 0 temps.
#10 Nov 16 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Dantedmc wrote:
It says there is no cap on song cast time, but I don't trust the wiki.
Where? I'll go fix it. EDIT: fixed
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Regardless why wouldn't you have a macro for putting on those boots and taking them off?
No sh*t, but they don't take effect instantly. In particular, they don't work while you're not wearing them, because you're just about to finish casting, but haven't actually finished yet. Considering they take a second or so to work, as well as being able to move before you finish a spell, you can often cast your buffs, and get out of range before you even get the benefit of move speed gear. That's the main advantage (plus being able to use serpentes, etc).

As i've said repeatedly, it's pretty small, but there aren't any good brd atmas after minikin.

Edited, Nov 16th 2010 5:28pm by ThePsychoticOne
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#11 Nov 16 2010 at 4:44 PM Rating: Good
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Btw what gear do you use to cap so easily?
#12 Nov 16 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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You were looking at the Song Spellcasting page, were you not?

Fast Cast also works, so it should be fairly easy to cap song cast time any number of ways.

As far as atma goes - if your ls is farms them often, then the really only reason to bring BRD is to trigger magic !!, elegy and crowd control. Any other role is better served by using another job that would benefit more from atma.
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#13 Nov 17 2010 at 8:42 AM Rating: Good
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Asmoranomar wrote:
As far as atma goes - if your ls is farms them often, then the really only reason to bring BRD is to trigger magic !!, elegy and crowd control. Any other role is better served by using another job that would benefit more from atma.


I guess I don't get that comment since I always see bards doing what they've always done (elegy, lullaby, march). The only thing they don't do in abyssea that they do outside is ballad (unless they're in a blm party).

But on topic when I do play bard I have some combination of minikin, deep devourer, or ambition. That being said I'm not main bard and I don't have a fast cast set, so I just try have the 90% gear solution available and the deep devourer atma covers a gap that I normally have.
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#14 Nov 17 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Good
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I have always used MM/Ambition for Bard and White Mage. The only time I use any of my other atmas is on SMN, when I use MM/Beyond.
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Typically I roll with MM and VV. Saves the melee from having to do another staff WS.
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