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#1 Aug 22 2010 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Since I'm apparently an idiot and have been doingitwrong by not using a -PDT set, what are some pieces I'm going to have to add in once I somehow make inventory and macro space for them?
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#2 Aug 22 2010 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Umbra cape, darksteel, jelly ring, kruosis, etc. Genbu head is good too.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2010 5:14pm by ThePsychoticOne
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#3 Aug 22 2010 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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Darksteel and Jelly ring = a nice basic setup?
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#4 Aug 22 2010 at 3:27 PM Rating: Default
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I already have genbu head (on a mannequin) so that's easy enough to pull out of storage. I don't have a jelly ring, and I doubt those that I've helped camped it over the years are going to be willing to help me camp it back, so I'm going to have to solo that unless I can call in some favors.

Umbra cape is out of my price range, but Cheviot Cape looks doable.

What's a kruosis? Wiki can't find it unless someone is spelling it wrong.
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#5 Aug 22 2010 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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They're talking about Krousis rings.
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Relevant pieces from my set:

Terra's Staff (20%)
Darksteel Cap +1 (2%)
Orochi Nodowa (regen never hurts)
Darksteel Harness +1 (4%)
Darksteel Mittens +1 (2%)
Umbra Cape (6%/12%)
Jelly Ring (5%)
Patronus Ring (2%)
ASA Legs (4%)
Darksteel Leggings +1 (2%)

47% PDT-, capped at night. Obvious improvement is Alexander Earring (which isn't worth the inventory space to me) and augmented Dark Ring. Of those, you can probably start with NQ DS body/legs and Cheviot pretty easily, and Jelly Ring is also simple and easy to camp. I put movement+ and PDT on my ASA legs.
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#8 Aug 22 2010 at 10:24 PM Rating: Good
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I personally take magic damage more often on BRD than physical damage, while you're building a PDT set you might want to set up a MDT set.

Merman's Earrings/rings, Kebbie, Hexerei Cape, Lieut. Sash are a good start.
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It's not so bad forcing your latent - I actually prefer it because I can avoid undead aggro. Sometimes 'taking a hit' isn't an option, anyways.

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Cradle Horn
Goliard Chapeau +20
Morgana's Choker -40
Musical Earring
Singing Earring
Dalmatica -50
Choral Cuffs +1 +14
Serket Ring -50
Minstrel's Ring
Ixion Cape -20
Penitent's Rope -20
Bard's Cannions +17
Waders

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Legion Scutum
Cradle Horn
Goliard Chapeau +20
Piper's Torque
Loquac. Earring
Novia Earring
Sha'ir Manteel
Seiryu's Kote +50
Omega Ring
Minstrel's Ring
Intensifying Cape +30
Swift Belt
Yigit Seraweels +25
Marine M Boots +60

net hp: 185



And I didn't use Genbuto to do it! That thing is so ugly I might drop it after maintenance, I'm ashamed to wear it...
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#10 Aug 23 2010 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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It's not bad to be thinking about idle sets, but don't forget about other useful pieces of gear:

Pieces with refresh, such as Marduk's Jubbah or Dalmatica, usually generate more MP over time when not getting hit than you save in cures if you were wearing -PDT when actually getting hit. You can use the saved MP to cure yourself - or others.

Pieces with -MDT or MDB, such as Avalon Breastplate or Dalmatica, also reduce magic damage in the event that your attacking mobs that use frequent magical attacks.

Pieces with -Enmity, -Enmity when taking dmg, +Movement Speed, etc, are also bonus pieces that can reduce the chances of taking hate (or additional hits when you do take hate).

If you know your going down, you can also have an 'oh sh*t!' macro to equip things like reraise hairpins, so you can use them as soon as you raise back up.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2010 1:43pm by Asmoranomar
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#11 Aug 23 2010 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, my idle set already equips Dalmatica, earth staff, and marduk hands, but the dalmy does no good if you're /NIN pulling, which is what this thread is in reference to. (Not that I get hit all that much in non-Dynamis pulling situations on bard, but I freaked people out by not having a specific -PDT set, so . . .)
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#12 Aug 24 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh.

Well, you didn't specify that in your original op. I generally thought you meant an 'idle' set.

Personally I consider a 'pulling/kiting' set different from an 'idle' set, the difference being that with a 'pulling/kiting' set you have a high chance to get hit, whereas an 'idle' set you have a low chance to get hit. In both cases you do want to wear -PDT, but obviously the 'pulling/kiting' is going try to max it out.

If your talking about a 'pulling/kiting' set, your going to want your highest +Movement Speed (and no -Movement Speed) piece over any -PDT. Your also going to (probably) want to wear the Minstrel's Earring, despite the fact it doesn't activate unless your red HP. I can't find my reference, but I'm pretty sure it also activates on the hit that brings you into red HP.

I'd also recommend using a ranged weapon for the following reasons:

You can pull from further away (25' instead of 20')
Your pull can't be interrupted if the target moves out of range
You don't have to wait on recast timers
You don't incur any 'bind' time like you do spells (though switching gears removes 'bind' time too)

Without diving too much into the /whm vs /nin discussion - I will say that I have no problems pulling as /whm during events like dynamis. I do prefer /nin in Einherjar though, but that's more for the AOE aspect rather than the pulling.


Edited, Aug 24th 2010 10:31am by Asmoranomar
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#13 Aug 24 2010 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, it was briefly hinted at earlier but I want to point out:

Cheviot/Umbra Cape: -PDT
Hexerei Cape: -DT

It's a trade-off, but pick the one you think is more situationally useful for your needs.

For the neck, Beguiling Collar isn't a bad choice.

Edited, Aug 24th 2010 10:24am by Asmoranomar
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#14 Aug 24 2010 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I switched to chakram pulling quite some time ago, for all the aforementioned reasons. It was a great suggestion and has helped a lot.

My concern is that without using Spellcast, I'm going to forget to switch into a -PDT set after pulling, or casting elegy, because I panic a lot when I'm pulling on bard. (I don't panic when I pull on THF since I don't get hit except with spells these days.) I don't have any +movement speed on BRD (unfortunately - going to correct this once I finish ASA one of these years.) So for now, I'm going to add in pieces that I can macro into my RA macro and my Elegy macro without interfering in the latter's CHR and skill pieces. That limits me to 4 slots in the case of the RA/chakram (1 line for /ra <stnpc> and one line for the linkshell/party call), and those slots need to be things that WON'T be overwritten by the gear in my Elegy macro.
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#15 Aug 26 2010 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Goliard pants could be useful, if you have them sitting around.
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Yeah, I switched to chakram pulling quite some time ago, for all the aforementioned reasons. It was a great suggestion and has helped a lot.

My concern is that without using Spellcast, I'm going to forget to switch into a -PDT set after pulling, or casting elegy, because I panic a lot when I'm pulling on bard. (I don't panic when I pull on THF since I don't get hit except with spells these days.) I don't have any +movement speed on BRD (unfortunately - going to correct this once I finish ASA one of these years.) So for now, I'm going to add in pieces that I can macro into my RA macro and my Elegy macro without interfering in the latter's CHR and skill pieces. That limits me to 4 slots in the case of the RA/chakram (1 line for /ra <stnpc> and one line for the linkshell/party call), and those slots need to be things that WON'T be overwritten by the gear in my Elegy macro.


I'm sure it's been said, but if you're on PC get spellcast. It's the single biggest improvement you can make.
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I actually do have goliard pants sitting around. It was the feet that never wanted to drop *grrrrrr*
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#18 Oct 02 2010 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
I noticed you have both BLM and RDM @ 80, and were kind of mentioning jelly ring and having difficulty getting it.

You should have no issue killing it quickly as a RDM or BLM using a nuke strat. (I did it melee wise @ 75RDM which is the stupid way to do it but I did it just for my daily dose of eviagra.)

Basically all you need to do is keep SS up and nuke it down. Personally id recommend RDM over BLM for cure spells, if you need to convert the ghosts at end of hall can and will agro you from almost anywhere in that hallway.

You can also do a short bind/grav kite nuke thing to avoid getting beat on, but you can likely let it just wail on your SS. Also RDM will allow you to easily slow/para/blind the thing and make your SS last forever.

Really really easy solo for a RDM, I am sure a BLM would be just as easy (less survivability faster killing) but you might want to wait till 82BLM/RDM for refresh.



Edited, Oct 2nd 2010 8:30pm by rdmcandie
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#19 Oct 07 2010 at 5:14 AM Rating: Good
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Jelly Ring stuff


Agree. There's no reason to not have one if you have BLM or RDM leveled. You could even take the 'lazy' way out and drag the NM to the zone, though it's really not required anymore.
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