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#1 Jul 13 2010 at 2:56 AM Rating: Decent
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First, what's the best subjob for a BRD?

Second, is mp an important stat for the BRD?

Do I play a BRD similar to WHM or will I be meleeing?

Do Tarutaru make good BRD's?
#2 Jul 13 2010 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh and what are important stats for BRD? I know CHR but what else?
#3 Jul 13 2010 at 3:00 AM Rating: Decent
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For exp: /nin
For everything else: /whm if haste would be helpful, /sch if not. At 96+ /rdm.

Brd is usually played more similar to a whm, with aoe buffs. In exp you'll pull and buff.

Brd is one of the few jobs where i'd say race basically doesn't matter at all. The chr difference is negligible, as is mp when 90% of your mp comes from gear.
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#4 Jul 13 2010 at 3:10 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm moving this over to the Bard section.
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#5 Jul 13 2010 at 3:14 AM Rating: Decent
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So my Tarutaru will work fine, cool.

May I ask why /NIN for xp parties? I just want to understand everything sorry.
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/nin is for pulling.

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#7 Jul 13 2010 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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Yup, us Taru bards are pretty common.

MP isn't that big a deal to bards. If you're /MAGE and you have it, use it to toss some cures, but otherwise, it's just sort of a bonus stat on some of the gear we use. No one ever expects a bard to be anything more than a backup healer.
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#8 Jul 13 2010 at 8:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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For xp where you are pulling:
- for parties that kill fast, /nin; /whm in this party never gets any time to heal anyway, it takes longer to apply blink/stoneskin than to apply utsusemi, and you can run out of mp since you'll spend part of the time with melee songs on yourself
- for parties that kill slowly, I think /mage is slightly better, but it is more of a matter of preference; you have plenty of time to reapply blink/stoneskin in these parties and you can spend more time with ballad on although really most people are smart enough not to do these kinds of parties anymore

For everything else:
/whm or /sch depending on what specific abilities you need.

MP is a secondary stat for brd/mage. The main benefit is that when you are helping cover cures, you can spam cures a bit longer before you need ballad to recharge. Think of it as effecting your cure spike potential. I wouldn't sacrifice other stats in favor of MP though.

The primary stats for brd are song+ instruments, chr, wind skill, singing skill, magic accuracy, and song casting time/fast cast.

I meleed on brd with good results until about lvl 22 or so when accuracy starts to fall off. You won't be meleeing past that and most people don't even melee that far. A brd is usually keeping a song rotation:

elegy on mob
madrigal, minuet, or march for melees
another madrigal, minuet, or march for melees
ballad for mages
another ballad for mages

If you are /mage, you'll mix in some cures in there.

If you are pulling, you mix in some pulls in there and defensive buffs.

On end-game stuff, you might be using a carol against specific mobs.

BRD is probably one of the most race independent jobs in the game. Any race can play BRD fine. Taru make fine BRDs and we look the cutest doing it. ;)
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No one ever expects a bard to be anything more than a backup healer.
I do. Unfortunately i'm disappointed by 99% of bards.
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#10 Jul 13 2010 at 5:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I meant, in terms of using their MP. Of course a bard is much more than just a backup healer. What I meant was, I've never once been asked if I can somehow magically main heal a merit party as BRD.

If you're expecting the bards to be tossing Banish from their /WHM to get a magic burst off Light, then you're doing it wrong.
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#11 Jul 13 2010 at 5:23 PM Rating: Default
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I know what you meant, and i am very disappoint by it.

I expect bards to be main healers (and if you can't handle solo healing a merit party of all things urdoinitrong). Also there is a big difference between main healers, solo healers, and backup healers. A solo healer is obviously when there is only a single healer. A backup healer is someone who only heals in emergencies when someone is in danger of dying. A main healer is someone who is constantly healing whenever they aren't doing something more important. A bard should never simply be a backup healer. They usually aren't a solo healer either, but they most certainly can be if they need to be (especially now at 80 since they even get haste which was the only thing making it worth bringing a rdm or whm to merit pts...other than 99% of bards not realizing they can actually use /whm for more than just erase/paralyna/curaga2). If you didn't idle in a bunch of useless chr/wind skill/etc gear, you could easily get 500~600+ mp, on top of auto refresh, 3/tic ballad, probably another 3/tic refresh too for 7/tic (8 with sanction/sigil/blood of vampyr), which is far more than enough to do a tremendous amount of healing. Brd also has access to tons of hmp gear, but again it seems i'm the only one who knows that.
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#12 Jul 13 2010 at 9:09 PM Rating: Default
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First, what's the best subjob for a BRD? - /whm /nin /sch /rdm. are all possible subs and probably some other ones now also for situational things. I would pick a 5$ sub and go from there.

Second, is mp an important stat for the BRD? - depends if you are /mage or not. i wouldnt full time mp+ or hp-mp because you need stats in this order for:
Buffing - Song+, singing wind/string+
Which ever of these gives the most skill singing or string/wind. String only helps when you use strings and wind only helps when you use wind. Also check teirs of songs to see if its worth it to add more skill or if you reached the cap for that song and can now use other gear like MP+ or haste/fastcast for recast or precast.

Debuffing - Song+, Skill/mAcc, chr
When making the choice of skill+ also consider the range of string and mAcc of wind when making this choice. normally one skill will be about one mAcc. Not sure if skill drops off like melee skills to where one skill becomes 0.9 mAcc. Theres no reason to assume it don't. But no testing that i have seen to say for sure. Char is better if you can get twice as much of it as you can for mAcc for that slot as a general rule where you dont need to calculate your targets stats vs your stats. Some say get 120 chr because its cheaper then mAcc and this is when chr normally will start having less of an effect. I say play chr etude if your having issues landing debuffs.

Do I play a BRD similar to WHM or will I be meleeing? - if you have a very respectable melee and brd setup you can get away with playing brd/nin depending who you are partied with. i mean repectable as in 26% haste on tp gain with a 80%+ hit rate and ~120 total dex without songs while macroing in enough equipment to maintain a 50% casting time. This will probably have you around 70/80 inventory space or so just to be able to do basicly what any AH bought melee job can do.

Do Tarutaru make good BRD's? - No. They make good meals if cooked right.
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I'd just like to point out that if the OP is just starting the job, then /whm and MP+ gear is the best stats for him at low levels.

Basically, my take on bard is:
-No reason to sub /Nin before BRD24.
-Very little reason to stack CHR until 39, where your first debuff that matters arrive *** Lullaby at 16 and 27 are important, but people very rarely sleep pre-pulls at low level, so only if an IT add happens would you need to lullaby, in which case Soul Voice is often all that you need.
-Therefore, unless you want to wear +attack/+accuracy gear, get as much +MP/hMP as possible and help with cures when you're not singing or pulling. Divine Seal Curaga can go a long way to recover after a cursed sphere spamming happy fly.

Most of the advice given above in this thread seem to apply mostly at BRD55-75 *colibri cough*, when the expectations, party style and mob running speed start to change from the "norm".

** I suppose a BRD37+ would sub /nin for shadows if pulling in a East Ronfaure [S] group. I didn't feel it was necessary on the few parties my latest bard went through in there.
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#14 Jul 13 2010 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent
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What the above poster said is also true but you may also want to consider macro sets pre 75 to increase the effect on your songs and swap back out w/ melee equipment if your meleeeing or MP if your backup healing. Dont break your bank with items that probably wont be the best or pretty good at 75 but a few items of skill+ is certainly nice. i know those 4 days from 1 - 55 did a little of both. more melee towards the lower levels when i had hardly no MP and more back up healing later.

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#15 Jul 14 2010 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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And now you're splitting hairs. I don't use the category "solo healer" because the only time such a thing ever should exist is in a merit party with a competent RDM or WHM or SCH. For me, in alliances, there are main healers and backup healers. The main healer is whatever the healing-mage job is, and backups can be anything from a BLU to a DNC to a PLD, depending on what party you're in. If someone is in the red, and you have a cure III, you should be chucking it.

Semantics.
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The main healer is whatever the healing-mage job is, and backups can be anything from a BLU to a DNC to a PLD, depending on what party you're in. If someone is in the red, and you have a cure III, you should be chucking it.
And that's the problem.
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