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#1 Apr 08 2010 at 3:19 AM Rating: Good
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Through no particular action on my part, I have come to complete a set of body pieces for the Marduk Jubbah. I have BRD, SMN and WHM but I'm not sure whether to complete it. Gil is the issue but I am prepared to put the work in if needed via mining/ISNM/gilmaking. It would be a mammoth effort but I could probably do it. However, I'm not sure this piece will have as large an impact on my jobs as a Morrigan's body would for BLM. I do have RDM too but I don't play it enough, nor intend to level RDM much further once the level cap rises.

Is it at this point worth putting the effort in to raise the gil/ingots for this upgrade for BRD?

Gear I own:

Full Set of HQ staves
Dweomer Knife (-3 casting, -3 ENM, +3 CHR)
Full Goliard
Full Yigit

Head: Relic/Walmart (working on Marduk Tiara)
Body: Yigit/Osode/AF+1
Neck: Wind/String
Hands: AF+1
Waist: Gleemans/Swift
Back: Jesters+1 - sea cape is possible
Legs: AF+1/Marduk
Feet: Goliard/Rostrum/Marduk
Rings: Nereid x 2, Omega, Balrahn's
Earrings: Musical, Novia, Loquacious, String


Edited, Apr 8th 2010 9:20am by eldelphia
#2 Apr 08 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Obviously asking this question on the BRD forums is going to make your responses somewhat biased toward Marduk; I'd also recommend asking the reverse question ("Should I get morrigan's over marduk?") on the BLM forum.

Listing your BLM gear here would also help, as it would give a broader idea as to the benefits of your case in choosing one or the other. Also you never indicated how much of Morrigan or Marduk you have (just the body? or the set?).

I can't really speak to SMN and WHM. I can cover some brief parts for those jobs, but most of what I can recommend come from a BRD's perspective.

MND +12 - WHM will generally benefit the most from this stat when using MND based enfeebles for magic accuracy. WHM, SMN and BRD will benefit from higher Stoneskin values.

CHR +12 - BRD will generally benefit the most from this stat when using offensive songs. WHM and SMN may not receive any benefits.

HP/MP - WHM, SMN, and BRD will usually not concern themselves with the actual stat, but instead focus on ways to generate it faster (refresh, HMP, etc). No real wow factor here and other pieces of gear would be better. On the advanced side of things, BRD would benefit from the HP portion marginally when working toward a minstrel ring latent build.

Refresh - WHM has alternative body pieces that would be better/cheeper. SMN has alternative body pieces that do almost the same thing, but are a little easier to obtain. BRD would benefit the most from this.

Fast Cast (body) - WHM and SMN would benefit from this piece during initial casting of spells and is comparable to other types of gear. The other types of gear in this case is debatable, as it might be difficult to obtain for some and might also be a difficult decision (because you pass up other gear) for others. BRD wouldn't see much benefit over alternative pieces of gear (yigit body), however this only applies to songs and not all spells.

Fast Cast (Set) - WHM, SMN and BRD would see a large improvement on all spells that could not be accomplished by other pieces of gear. BRD may still benefit from Minstrel's Ring + HP build instead.

As you have already suspected, Marduk Jubbah is likely to be a marginal upgrade for you. But since I do not know what your BLM build looks like, nor do I know how often you play WHM, SMN or BRD (or the playstyle of each), it is still difficult to recommend whether to obtain it or not.

Edited, Apr 10th 2010 3:22pm by Asmoranomar
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#3 Apr 08 2010 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
It is arguably our best debuff body piece (due to the 12 Charisma), our best Stoneskin body, a great alternative to Dalmatica for idling (the Refresh on it), and the Fast Cast on it is just icing on the cake. In saying that though, I would say that it's not a big enough improvement over what's currently available to warrant it unless you already have the other pieces of the set completed and the Jubbah would finish the set entirely. I'm not meaning to nitpick, but looking at your gear, there are a few things here and there that you may want to invest your time and money into getting completed that will help your Bard a lot more than finishing the Jubbah.

Some gear suggestions you might want to go after before doing the Jubbah (Saw you were working towards your Marduk's Tiara so I left that off this list).

Chanter's Staff (given that March has a high tier system based on a combination of your Wind and Singing Skills, having as much of either or both that you can equip for them is vital for the best results)

Oracle's Pigaches (same reason as the Chanter's Staff)

Minstrel's Coat (same reason as the Chanter's and the Oracle's. Use the Yigit body at the start of the song casting to get the cast time down effect, then swap in the Minstrel's Coat for the skill boost)

Echo Cape (great buff cape to tide you over till you can get an Astute)

Sha'ir Manteel (it's a minor improvement over the Yigit Gomlek, but if you want to put the effort into "pimping out" your Bard, this would be a good investment to make)

Marching Belt (this one might be tough to get, since I don't know your endgame activities and all, but as of right now it is the best buff belt in the game for us).

Edited, Apr 8th 2010 2:51pm by Vlorsutes
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#4 Apr 08 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
a great alternative to Dalmatica for idling (the Refresh on it)
The mp on dalm is pretty huge really, especially for brd, since almost all their mp comes from gear.
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Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
a great alternative to Dalmatica for idling (the Refresh on it)
The mp on dalm is pretty huge really, especially for brd, since almost all their mp comes from gear.


Seconded.

It's highly pragmatic of you to consider, in light of the incoming cap increase, whether or not it's worth it to make expensive upgrades, too.

For what it's worth, no one I know has regretted upgrading either body piece.
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#6 Apr 09 2010 at 2:50 AM Rating: Good
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Chanter's Staff (given that March has a high tier system based on a combination of your Wind and Singing Skills, having as much of either or both that you can equip for them is vital for the best results)

Oracle's Pigaches (same reason as the Chanter's Staff)

Minstrel's Coat (same reason as the Chanter's and the Oracle's. Use the Yigit body at the start of the song casting to get the cast time down effect, then swap in the Minstrel's Coat for the skill boost)

Echo Cape (great buff cape to tide you over till you can get an Astute)

Sha'ir Manteel (it's a minor improvement over the Yigit Gomlek, but if you want to put the effort into "pimping out" your Bard, this would be a good investment to make)

Marching Belt (this one might be tough to get, since I don't know your endgame activities and all, but as of right now it is the best buff belt in the game for us).



My bad, I have a minstrel's coat/chanter's staff. Oracle's pigaches are the bane of my life. I have good luck in Salvage and Dynamis but appalling luck in ZNMs but they are being worked on. Marching belt is actually possible as we're working on VNMs regularly at the moment. Thanks for the head's up about the Echo Cape. I should probably go back and get the astute done but I hadn't seen the Echo cape, so thanks for that.

I've upgraded Marduk legs/feet already (have a string set inc errato's cape where needed)and have the full set of body pieces. I only have the 15s for the hands and tiara and until the 35s drop we won't bother aiming for the 25s.

Thanks for all the advice, it was useful. I think I may sell the osode, pick up a manteel etc and focus more on BLM. If I come into some gil or the price comes down I'll probably work on the marduk body once I have the tiara.

Edited, Apr 9th 2010 8:51am by eldelphia
#7 Apr 09 2010 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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<_> Question probably irrelevant to this topic, but.. Marduk Legs VS. AF+1, which would you choose, i asked 2 brd friends, one preferred AF+1 due to the higher skill+, and another friend suggested Marduk legs due to the chr opening up more slots for skill, There's probably another topic like this but i'm in a rush atm! XD Sorry and TY!
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#8 Apr 09 2010 at 9:00 AM Rating: Decent
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AF+1 legs for buffs
Marduk legs for debuffs
#9 Apr 09 2010 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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<_> Question probably irrelevant to this topic, but.. Marduk Legs VS. AF+1, which would you choose, i asked 2 brd friends, one preferred AF+1 due to the higher skill+, and another friend suggested Marduk legs due to the chr opening up more slots for skill, There's probably another topic like this but i'm in a rush atm! XD Sorry and TY!


Charisma doesn't affect the potency or duration of our buff songs in any way, so for buffs it would come down to Wind Skill +8 vs. Wind Skill +5, which is a no brainer (obviously the Choral +1). For debuffs though, that +10 Charisma on the Shalwar is unmatched as far as legs go, and to top it off with the +5 Wind Skill as well only makes them even better.
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#10 Apr 09 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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MND +12 - WHM will generally benefit the most from this stat when using MND based enfeebles for magic accuracy. WHM, SMN and BRD will benefit from higher Stoneskin values.
For SS, this is a non-issue for WHM and SMN. WHM/SCH can very easily cap out SS with little extra MND gear. And WHM/non-SCH only needs ~105 total MND. Again, this is quite easy to do for WHM. SMN will more than likely be using Titan for Earthen Ward, and has much less reason to bother with White Magic Stoneskin. BRD can get more use for SS with this, but it's quite possible to reach the ~144 MND needed to cap SS without Marduk. I guess I could roll with Marduks for Enfeebs on WHM, but I'd use AF/AF+1 if I were so inclined. But to be honest, for any mob where an extreme amount of MND is required to enfeeble, I'm letting the RDM do that.

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HP/MP - WHM, SMN, and BRD will usually not concern themselves with the actual stat, but instead focus on ways to generate it faster (refresh, HMP, etc). No real wow factor here and other pieces of gear would be better. On the advanced side of things, BRD would benefit from the HP portion marginally when working toward a minstrel ring latent build.
Never discount HP builds for WHM. These are useful for building a large initial Sublimation charge, or for a large Devotion.

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The mp on dalm is pretty huge really, especially for brd, since almost all their mp comes from gear.
Except for an initial boost to MP for RR or something, I whole heartedly disagree with MP from Dalmy being a big deal. Are you going to sing all songs and do everything while wearing a Dalmy? Swapping to Manteel or Yigit to get those songs up and keep moving is much more important to me. Obviously you're talking BRD/WHM, so most likely not merits. To be honest, I prefer getting out of AoE range more than I want 50 mp. Yay, I have the mp to Cure III myself, because I ate more damage.
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#11 Apr 10 2010 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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As an Elvaan M that walked around in a Manteel I can tell you that 16m was worth it for the style points alone.
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MND +12 - WHM will generally benefit the most from this stat when using MND based enfeebles for magic accuracy. WHM, SMN and BRD will benefit from higher Stoneskin values.

For SS, this is a non-issue for WHM and SMN. WHM/SCH can very easily cap out SS with little extra MND gear. And WHM/non-SCH only needs ~105 total MND. Again, this is quite easy to do for WHM. SMN will more than likely be using Titan for Earthen Ward, and has much less reason to bother with White Magic Stoneskin.


****. Glad I wrote my WHM & SMN disclaimer because I completely forgot about all that.

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BRD can get more use for SS with this, but it's quite possible to reach the ~144 MND needed to cap SS without Marduk.
145 actually. Not that it matters, since i'm pretty sure i was the only brd that bothered with a 380 ss set, or even 350 for that matter, which is 5 mnd easier to get.

Honestly, it's not even worth considering for the mnd/chr. It's only 1 more than mahatma, which only costs 3-4m, and doesn't require you to do countless hours of salvage for the 15/25/35. And ideally you'd want mahatma anyway for the hmp. The only good reason to get it is if you have absolutely nothing else to spend your gil on, or if your ls will pay for it.

Edited, Apr 10th 2010 3:41pm by ThePsychoticOne
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#14 Apr 12 2010 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Im my opinion, Marduk's Jubbah is good, but it does not worth the price tag for BRD. The fast cast effect is not game breaking.

For WHM, it is not that great. There are a lot of refresh gear. It cannot replace AF2 or Noble. For -enmity build, JSE wins.
For SMN, YY Robe and AF2 wins.
For max HP&MP build, go for Goliard.
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#15 Apr 13 2010 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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Save yourself the gil and get an Ixion Cloak to idle in when you arent playing songs.


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