Poubelle, Star Breaker wrote:
I don't see how you would specifically suggest a party with SMN/SCH/BRD.
Anyways, OP, it's not terrible.
Pretty much any EXP party with a SMN is going to be subpar unless the tank is really good and the damage dealers are killing really, which is going to be difficult to get together sometimes - if all your DDs and tanks are randomly LFG. Feel free to debate me PUP-huggers, but it's true.
SMN sucks more than almost anything else 1-75 in party play!
Next you'll tell the BRD to go /WHM and let the SMN Carbuncle pull!
Wow, has SMN really fallen that far to say such things? Sure, I do see a lot of SMNs thinking that they can actually DD with their avatars (which they sort of can, but nowhere near the levels of the specialized DDs).
However, there have been many many many cases on my trek to 75SMN where if I was given a BRD in a party, one solid Ballad II is all I need to solo main-heal the party while still providing avatar buffs (Hastega, Ecliptic Howl, and the occasional AoE Curaga from either myself or an avatar), and this was way before Elemental Siphon or /SCH was introduced. With a decently skilled or higher party setup, main healing on SMN should be a non-issue and it is very possible to go BRD+SMN+4DDs. However, if the SMN has the attitude of "But I want to be a true SMN, having my avatars do battle and do damage and not be used for my healing magic", then that SMN will fail very hard and only spread the belief that Poubelle has in SMNs.
SMNs are very great healers and supporters. They can Haste the entire party (Hastega) which NIN and /NIN tanks (and every melee for that matter) will love, cast AoE Stoneskin (once again, a fave for NIN and /NIN tanks), cast Aerial Armor (Party Blink) for those non-/NIN types, increase Accuracy/Evasion (Ecliptic Howl, which can stack with Accuracy buffs from BRD or COR), and have all sorts of other buffs to match various situations at their disposal.
Not to mention that SMNs have some of the best ways of recovering MP just on their main job alone, such as learning higher Clear Mind Traits (Up to V) faster than any other mage job, having Auto-Refresh at 25+, and having Elemental Siphon at 50. Adding a BRD into the mix only makes MP management even better (and CORs really love the +Refresh on their rolls from having a SMN in the party). With good knowledge of knowing when to rest and when you can push the envelope on MP, a SMN can be very efficient and main heal + buff with ease.
Oh, and in before "I like to see you try main-healing without Cure IV or Cure V"! I've main-healed many many MANY times with just /WHM as the solo healer (way before Elemental Siphon, too). Alternating between Cure III and Cure II can fill up an HP bar fast and throwing out Healing Ruby IIs mid-fight work like a hateless Curaga II (and if I am really desperate and short of time, Divine Seal + Curaga I/II works too). Heck, I was in a merit party that I main-healed with BRD support. At chain 60, my stray Divine Seal + Curaga II (to save the party) made me eat dirt. I immediately Reraised and resume main-healing (as I still had 450MP max, despite being weakened). All in all (though my chain started over from the death), the party continued and hit Chain 150+, despite being KOed and reraised mid-chain.
All in all, as long as your SMN buddy learns that it is not all about him and learns how to work in a group and use group buffs and group heals (and keeps up on those avatars), you'll be fine. If the SMN buddy decides to go "DD SMN", tell him to go solo, where he can do that to his heart's content, because in a party, it just will be very subpar (and will require another healer in the party, making the DDs wonder what purpose your SMN buddy has in the party). Edited, Sep 8th 2009 3:54pm by Altairs
"I like SMN, BST, PUP, COR, and BRD the best. As SMN, I can throw avatars at a mob. As BST, I can throw monsters at a mob. As PUP, I can throw dolls at a mob. As COR, I can throw bullets at a mob. As BRD, I can throw people at a mob!" --Skyla Altairs(myself)
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Other Jobs: 75BRD 75SMN 75PUP 75BST 75WHM 73BLM
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