why is a bard not pulling wrong?Follow

I got my brd to lvl 75 long b4 the days of brd pulling, and had to adjust to the new demand myself. But i'll shoot ya straight on this you really do need to find a good way to manage your time, and songs to pull. cut down on the complex stuff and just get the job done and keep the mobs rolling in. Being great pullers has become our bread n butter. Sorry buddy time to conform or switch jobs. All us bards have to cross this road at some point.

I can't say I'm surprised, since you don't even get Elegy until level 39. And there is absolutely no lock associated with Elegy.

Now what song are you pulling with that gives you this problem?

Quick tip to avoid song lock: Swap gear while singing, and lock goes away.

OMG I can't wait until BRD70 so I can pull with my -bane. I'm almost to the point of bring pebbles to pull with....almost.

I only started leveling BRD again because I COULD pull. BRDing is just too monotonous otherwise. Pulling actually makes it fun.

Up to -37% with rostrums, personally. Each additional SST-% is getting harder to acquire...

If it didn't make a difference, it wouldn't be part of a bards role.



In an EXP party, there is fulfillment in achieving the maximum exp possible. This involves playing your job properly.

Your entire argument is kinda like saying "You don't want a good healer for their fulfillment, you want a good healer so that you don't die."

Well, no sh*t. But the person CHOOSING that role, in theory, cares about it. If you're leveling bard, you should enjoy bard. If you enjoy bard, you should want to be the best you can be at it. This means filling every role you can fill, etc etc...

If you're not trying to be the best you can be on a given job, you should re-evaluate why you're playing it at all.

I used to be a main Bard for a long while, started leveling the job near the end of CoP and as ToA came out.
I loved being a bard. I always try to think of my own unique playstyle and push it to the limits when playing any job, and with bard I had a very decent set up for full time buffer, back up Damage Dealing/back up healing.

People were always a little surprised when the basically invisible BRD (since most BRDs in this time were rampant with the "stand naked and play 2 songs" deal) would suddenly pull out a ~650damage, ~270TP Spirits Within every 2 or 3 battles, while not shirking on Buffing/back up healing in the least.

Once ToA was in full swing though, it started to become -expected- that *all* BRDs MUST pull.

I tried to go along with it... and the new WS spamming burn partys.

Now I have nothing against pulling per se, nor in general. I've pulled on many of my other jobs, like THF and SAM and NIN and DNC and BLU....etc
But I was starting to feel... harassed.
I was in a "WAR axe burn" party,
The mostly AFK WARs would be screaming "GIVE US MORE MOAR MOAR WAHHHH!!" and be doing nothing else but engaging and pushing WS macro....
It sickened and annoyed me. I coulden't enjoy my little niche anymore that i had created for myself...
I suddenly was a slave mother bird literally feeding her lazy children.
The "Experiance" (points) became meaningless to me as I just didn't have fun on the job anymore.
And thus, my BRD73 has been sitting such for several years now....


Edited, Mar 28th 2010 1:46pm by DreamerGuy

No Milich, I was trying to do what the party wanted, they asked me to pull, beforehand, and I knew it was the new thing, so I tried it out and pulled to the best of my ability.

For some reason, in this party the WAR's were extra lazy and whiney. and I was competing with several other pullers. And they blamed me for everything... while all they were doing were being mostly AFK and pushing WS macros... "WHY RNT THERE MOAR MOBS FOR US TO EEET!?"
It made me go {No Thanks}. I felt like I was feeding EXP to people. "Here is your meal of EXP ungrateful children!"

This is an extream example, and I quite enjoy partys with a BRD who are able to pull and enjoy doing it. and indeed we get lots of EXP.

But, personally I wasn't having fun.

My old playstyle was very far from "leeching", in fact, I like doing more than whats expected of me.
Pulling... is just not something I enjoy... But its what BRD has become.
So I've moved onto other jobs like COR (who still ends up pulling sometimes...), RDM and SCH.

All I was shareing, is that the new "role" BRD evolved into, became something I didn't enjoy. BRDs are EXPECTED to power pull now. No room for alternate play styles. (which there are many beyond "leeching" and "Standing around in lv 1 gear playing the same 2 songs, if people would try to be a little more creative...).

He said he didnt like pulling, but that he was willing to do it. His issue came up when people started treating him like crap because they were in an overcamped area. BRD abuse isn't exactly uncommon, when I used to play I'd see BRDs getting sh*t on and harassed almost every merit PT I ever joined. I don't know what happened to the working together spirit of FF11, when SC's were very common and you got lol'd out of a party for not wanting to do them, but since ToAU the playerbase seemed to almost...decline in their age or maturity? I'm unsure how exactly to put it.

People not doing their jobs properly was a huge issue when I left, but there are also times when people are -trying- and still get sh*t on horribly for it. He noted his BRD was 73, he probably was just getting accustomed to the merit party setup. People often don't consider that someone may need time to figure out how to do what they're supposed to do properly. I get that we're all paying money to play, and we want to be efficient, but efficient doesn't mean "harass every single player for making easy to make mistakes or not knowing how to do certain aspects of their job yet, every single time the person is a couple of seconds slow on a haste spell, or song".

tl;dr: i agree to disagree in this instance. milich is right on BRDs role, but that's why I didn't level BRD for long...people are simply jerks sometimes. COR is a good alternative, albeit quite expensive, if you don't want to pull (you will have to from time to time) but would rather do the rolls/songs role and tp with the DDs for big gun WS'. Just be prepared to shell out a lot of gil/level.

You're not wrong, on either account, much like milich wasn't wrong. Just pointing out that people are too quick to be jerks on this game sometimes. (why the 73 brd stopped levelling brd, as they were fresh to the merit pt scene and people weren't willing to be patient with them so they could get good at it) I've played since 2005, and at least on Ramuh and Ragnarok (i hear rag got really bad towards the end, until the merge, god only knows now) initially people were more willing to work together and play a bit nicer. On Rag they would actually lot for a HNM if the initial pt wiped, and the other losing lot # ls' would either leave, or cheer the winners on. I don't think there's a hope in hell of that sort of thing happening today. I am aware jerks were always around, but they seem to be multiplying the last few years.

I remember my endgame ls (before the leader broke the shell and kept all the gil in the bank for himself) once ganged up on a new blm member, who wasn't very good at magic bursting. Sure, the idea annoyed me, but I actually had to point out that this fresh blm just finished soloing to 75, and while i've yet to solo my blm to 75, i was a little confused as to where they assumed the blm would get any kind of SC -> MB experience when he levelled the entire job 1-75 by himself. Before ToAU I completely understood this behavior, as I remember levelling THF and we'd do SC's into MB's quite frequently. BLMs actually got decent invites, too!

When I say "people in this game can be absolute jerks" I'm not saying "people expecting BRD to pull are absolute jerks", because a BRD really is the best puller in the game for the most part, from my experience, for exp. I'm saying people are far too quick to pass judgement on people, and to trumpet that they spend money on the game so they expect you to play at their skill level, when that's not always fair. Some people haven't had the time to get as good as other people, who've been playing for 7 years. Some are even -trying- to be as good as those people, and still get ripped on much too harshly for it.

I completely agree with that. It took me 60 levels to realize I didn't like THF, and that MNK was awesome.

And now I can't seem to get my character back, but they let me back into the game. So I get to start allllllllll over again. Yay? o_o;

At least this time I know what jobs I like :P