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#1 Jun 17 2009 at 8:58 PM Rating: Default
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i just hit 75 brd last month. on brd i sub whm and as such i back up cure pretty effectively as a 75 brd. i also constantly keep songs up and do complex song mixes. i use finale like water w/o having to be told. why is me not pulling on brd an issue. i do all but 1 thing as a brd. last i checkd the people i party with dont send me money orders to pay for ff11. i make it clear i dont pull and people still give me grief over it.
#2 Jun 17 2009 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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In my experience, a BRD who isn't pulling is usually slacking and NOT doing:

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i back up cure pretty effectively as a 75 brd. i also constantly keep songs up and do complex song mixes. i use finale like water w/o having to be told.


but your average DD is also off picking their nose and AFK-auto attacking with 300% TP anyways. If you don't like pulling, don't pull. But just know most BRDs do tend to pull in merit PTs.
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Backup healers aren't needed in most good parties, that's why. If you're a 2nd bard in a party, well backup healing is ok because there's not much else for you to do. But if you're the only bard you should be pulling.
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You're level 75, get over yourself and learn to pull.

Reasons a BRD pulls at 75 (and even before)

1) We can "cause damage" via party buffs and enemy debuffs without even being there.

2) At 75, most DDs are subbing NIN and oftentimes just a single mage can keep the party healthy.

3) The DDs can NOT pull and do damage at the same time. A Bard can time their songs so that they are always up, AND pull. This leads to much faster kill times and MUCH better total exp.

If you don't want to pull, get another BRD in your party to pull so you can /WHM and back-up heal. But in all honesty, you should learn to pull.
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Because bard is simply the best puller in the game, don't you want to do what your job is best at it?

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Unless you're pulling or solo healing (not backup healing), you're basically just leeching. With 2 brds, and another mage, you'd be better off dding than backup healing.
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Because if you make a Melee go and pull then they have to spend time pulling and not meleeing = less damage done = slower kills.

No one can force you to pull, but you'll never get good exp/hr in merits if you don't (unless another brd in your PT is pulling).
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i just hit 75 brd last month. on brd i sub whm and as such i back up cure pretty effectively as a 75 brd. i also constantly keep songs up and do complex song mixes. i use finale like water w/o having to be told. why is me not pulling on brd an issue. i do all but 1 thing as a brd. last i checkd the people i party with dont send me money orders to pay for ff11. i make it clear i dont pull and people still give me grief over it.


the problem people have is that you're trying to leech XP and make parties worse, but won't admit it to yourself. who do you expect to be pulling anyway? either the person with elegy, spare time, and easy damage mitigation does it, or someone else who should be DDing is doing it.

your only hope is to find a less lazy BRD and static up with them. they might let you leech.

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3) The DDs can NOT pull and do damage at the same time. A Bard can time their songs so that they are always up, AND pull. This leads to much faster kill times and MUCH better total exp.


That's not completely true. You being a 75 RNG should know that. DDs can pull and cause damage at the same time (i.e. ranged attack then jump into melee).

OT: However, BRD does excel at pulling and then sleeping mobs which makes for the higher chains in a merit party. Although if you're doing birds in Meripo I'd recommend picking up a Lamiabane. It'll save you some time and bird linkage.

And, as others have stated before, you're a 75 BRD you will be expected to pull from now on.

Sorry, it's just the way it is.
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That's not completely true. You being a 75 RNG should know that. DDs can pull and cause damage at the same time (i.e. ranged attack then jump into melee).
You not being a 75 RNG shows. Having a RNG pull is actually a very stupid idea post 55. Sidewinder is going to drop a lot of health, especially on Birds. If it doesn't outright kill a mob, it IS going to pull hate to the RNG, one of the WORST jobs to have hate. Unlike melee who can keep DDing and counting Shadows, a RNG can NOT cast Utsusemi while firing.

Monster attacking RNG = RNG not pulling.
RNG WSing and killing mob = another monster not pulled and waiting.

Ranged attacks does NOT automatically make a good puller.
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Because Bard has the best pulling tools at its disposal of any job in the game.

Another job could pull, but if you both put the same effort into it, he would not be able to pull anywhere near as fast or effectively as you. AND they would have to sacrifice damage to do it.
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Rng pulling is **** stupid at 75.
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last i checkd the people i party with dont send me money orders to pay for ff11. i make it clear i dont pull and people still give me grief over it.


Last I checked, people can (practically) say whatever they want. -- You are welcome to play with your thumb up your **** and spend $15 USD a month doing so - that doesn't mean I can't tell you how disgusting it is. Not to mention, not too many people are going to want to shake your hand after your name starts becoming well known.

So...I think you need to get your thumb out of your ass.



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...do complex song mixes...


Singing songs is not complex. You push a button and people magically hit harder or faster. Its the reason why every major end game linkshell has a naked BRD being dualboxed. If you think singing songs is complex, you need to play another game.

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i do all but 1 thing as a brd.


Then your a horrible BRD. A good BRD can pull, debuff, buff, heal, pay taxes, melee, tank, and kite all at the same time. Usually though, pulling and paying taxes are the big ones tho - Your not a real BRD unless you can do those.

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why is me not pulling on brd an issue.


In all seriousness and jokes aside - Its because in an exp party, having a steady flow of monsters is the most important thing. It is more important to have the next mob ready than it is to heal, or debuff, finale, or buff.

If you merit long enough, you will find that some parties eat though mobs (birds) so fast, it will be difficult to keep buffs up and pull. If you have to choose between the two, pulling should always be the first option. Trust me when I say, melee will complain less about having buffs than they will about not having a mob to hit.

Don't feel bad about the order of things in exp parties. Everything is played different in merits than in end-game - This goes for every job. Don't think your the only one making sacrifices - Most melee don't want to /NIN and most RDM don't want to /WHM - but they do. It's actually more insulting to them when they take the extra mile to setup for a good merit party only to have it ruined by a BRD who doesn't want to pull. So don't feel all **** hurt over it, as they are probably more upset than you are about it.

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Man you guys are pretty hardcore on the bard forum lol! But i guess thats to be expected on a job specific forum. Hope u dont mind a non-75 brd posting, mine is only 60 and prob staying there for a long time.

Well I am not gonna say you should pull. I dont think that a bard that is just singing is leeching XP. Well he is doing his job which is making a party better. I was in a party with tank, 3 DDs, whm, and rdm as a MNK and i never got haste. That is leeching...i dont know what that rdm thought they were suppose to do but just refreshing the whm and pld and backup healing was not all of it...im rambling.

With that being said i believe that a bard pulling makes the party faster and xp rolls in quicker. The bard can stop in the middle of the mob being killed and go pull then sleep it and maybe another one so moving from mob to mob is fluid.

If my bard doesnt pull i am not gonna complain but i would rather it and the party as well.

*lol this kinda reminds me of when rdm would only SOMETIMES have to main heal and rdms didnt want to do it...long time ago.*
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If you merit long enough, you will find that some parties eat though mobs (birds) so fast, it will be difficult to keep buffs up and pull. If you have to choose between the two, pulling should always be the first option. Trust me when I say, melee will complain less about having buffs than they will about not having a mob to hit.


Unless you're the WHM or RDM, in which case they will definitely badger you for Haste the second it drops, before they dare to risk **** off the "almighty" BRD by saying he's pulling too slowly.

Course, the fact that a lack of pulls might not necessarily be the BRD's fault probably has something to do with it as well.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 4:48pm by Fynlar
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Personally I've found having a good puller to be one of the most important aspects of having a successful merit party. If the mobs aren't coming in fast enough you're not going to keep your chain going.

So let's take a look at the available party members

DDs - Need to be dealing damage, they can't reasonably do this and pull fast enough to keep a chain going.

Healer - Needs to be either casting, or resting MP. Definitely does not have time to pull

Support - Casts buffs every so often, depending on job may contribute a bit extra damage. Has plenty of time between casting buffs to pull.

Do you see the problem here? Pulling for a merit party is a full time job. The only slots that have the time to do this are support. Of the support jobs, bard easily has the best tools for pulling.

In a merit party efficient pulling is as important a job as buffing, healing, or DDing, this means that the battle music should rarely if ever end if done properly. No way a DD or healer can do this and still do their job. 'Back-up healing' adds next to nothing to the group, b/c if they DDs and Healer are doing their jobs right, you shouldn't need any back up healing.

You say you're just refusing to do 'just one thing', but that one thing is one of the primary functions of your job in a merit party. What you're saying is sort of like a DRK saying that they aren't going to engage any mobs b/c they want to focus on their spellcasting.

If you don't want to pull on BRD, don't merit with it.

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Personally I've found having a good puller to be one of the most important aspects of having a successful merit party.


I'd say that goes for ANY xp party, actually XD

Well, except for roaming pts

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I'd say that goes for ANY xp party, actually XD

Granted. But its doubly true in merit parties where a pull only needs to be delayed a for a matter seconds for it to cost you the chain.
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hey bard people whats your thoughts on thfs pulling at 75? just wondering..
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hey bard people whats your thoughts on thfs pulling at 75? just wondering..


after reading the thread and its numerous posts addressing exactly such a question, what do you think?
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He point by point of why bards are the best pullers was pretty much right on.

However, I am in the group that firmly beleives in having a second healer/boffer and three top notch DDs. Over 4 DDs 1 buffer and one healler. It is easier on pretty much everyone involved.

The person pulling only has to maintain two songs instead of four. The healer only has to haste three people, and there are two MP pools recovering for a lot molre healing power. The additional healing lets Two Handed DD use hasso, which in conjunction with haste, marches, and good gear means they are doing more damage than 4 DDs would with one healer (actually, just having four strong buffs instead of two will probably do that).
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You dont sound like a very good BRD.

No one pays your ffxi bill...but you should try a different class.

BRD/NIN for puller in merit pts. BRD/WHM for everything else :)
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You dont sound like a very good BRD.

No one pays your ffxi bill...but you should try a different class.

BRD/NIN for puller in merit pts. BRD/WHM for everything else :)


Except for the occasional HNM(well any mob that needs eleseal) that requires /blm.
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Had brd/nin in lvl71 level sync party @ imp camp yesterday. Asked him several times if he could pull (using Japanese, plain English and auto-translate). No response. All of a sudden he disbands. I ask him why and his response: <German> <I don't speak English>. WTF... Because you're German you cannot read auto-translate messages? Or even simple English?

If you don't wanna pull on brd, don't sub ninja and tell me upfront so I can just invite another member that contributes to the party as he/she should.







After asking German friend to check with the bard using German it turns out the brd wasn't German at all...
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Bard pulling is by far the easiest role in merit parties to boot.

You don't need to pay attention to people needing cures or watching for abilities. You're singing 2-4 songs that have static times, which again means you're really not watching anything. All you do is keep mobs at camp, which if you always have a mob waiting you just need to wait til the last one dies to pull another, so you don't even need to account for kill speed or worrying your pulls cost the chain.

It's significantly less fun when you're competing for pulls, but in general you just elegy => buff repeat for a couple hours and you're all set to watch hulu! Try doing that on a DD or mage and people can start hitting the floor.

Being backup bard is so dull, it requires just enough attention that you can't completely zone out, but are forced to do the same things over and over and over again. I'ld rather just /nin and pretend to be a singing DD if I wasn't pulling.
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huh.

I don't know about anyone else but when I'm pulling and I hear idle background music instead of battle, I start to panic.

I don't see why ANY brd would not want to pull. You control the pace of the party, the pace of the experience points and it's fun!
When I'm on BRD lfp, or start a merit party, I know I'll be getting good exp. When looking on WAR or RDM, I am not as sure.
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Most of this has been pointed out, but having multiple 75's, I'll point this out.

From ~20 brd i've been pulling.


Brd can pull and sleep the mob in camp, ready for the party to keep on attacking.

The most efficient use of a DD is if they are constantly attacking, if they have to stop, that's damage that is being wasted and thus EXP lost.

Brds can pull with elegy, on birds this gives you a headstart as they'll wait to take the spell in then mimic it, vs nin mobs (mamools...) we can use virelai (yes charm) which strips all shadows, if they recast, sleep with horde.

Bards have been pulling since before TOAU, it's like saying, what's wrong with a Ninja not willing to tank. It's the way the jobs play with the current game mechanics, like anybody, why get 10k/hr in a party, when with everybody doing their job properly you can get 20k/hr. Less time spent trying to get those merits.

It's all about maximising your job, if a melee has to break off to pull, that costs the pt a DD whilst they pull. I'd be insulted as a healer if you insisted on being a backup healer over pulling in a party which i could quite comfortably cure. I can usually keep buffs up, full haste cycle includig bard, keep debuffs off players, everybody cured to tops without ballad, and that's on whm. Why do i need backup healer for? I didn't sit down for over 30mins one party, with just ballad 2 50% of the time and no ballad 1, I'd make you pick at that point too, heal or pull, i'll do the other.
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You know how you will be in a lower level pt and you will sometimes run into that RNG or THF who doesn't pull and you tell your LS all about how this RNG won't even do something that he/she should be doing; then soon after all your LS members lol at said RNG or THF?

Yeah, a brd not pulling is even lulzier than that.
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I don't see why ANY brd would not want to pull. You control the pace of the party, the pace of the experience points and it's fun!

I don't want to pull in merits >.> that's actually why I stopped going to merit parties as brd. It was fun all the way to ~73 (and I still occasionally use bard in friend's sync parties). But I hate the stress of having to constantly look for new mob every 20-30 seconds while songs are wearing.

As I like to think, I play how I want to play, and you're (you as in any party leader) free not to invite me to your party. ~_^ And if they're that desperate for a pulling bard (the main reason why people give you grief in-game), they're free to level bard themselves.

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I didn't sit down for over 30mins one party, with just ballad 2 50% of the time and no ballad 1, I'd make you pick at that point too, heal or pull, i'll do the other.

I heal, you pull, works for me as long as you keep hastes up. ^_^

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I didn't sit down for over 30mins one party, with just ballad 2 50% of the time and no ballad 1, I'd make you pick at that point too, heal or pull, i'll do the other.

I heal, you pull, works for me as long as you keep hastes up. ^_^



More like I'd jump on bard and give double marches was the thought there :D
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I don't recall getting any checks from you in the mail either. If a BRD refuses to pull I kick them out and find another. They are not so rare that i can't pick and choose. The reason BRD is asked to pull is because during the time between when you cast your 6 or so songs and when they wear off, what the **** else are you doing? Absolutely nothing at all, and that, my friend is not cool. If you want to leech xp off people, that's fine, but you also have to realize that other people KNOW that you're leeching it, and won't be standing for it. You go right ahead and play the game how you want to play it, but guess what, other people are going to do the same. Sooner or later word will get round that you're the lazy BRD that won't pull and no one is going to invite you anymore, because they are ALSO paying their monthly fees to play as well, and they don't want it wasted by a stuck up prick that's too proud to do his own job. You're basically wasting 5 other people's time and effort and turning a chain 200 pt into a chain 6 pt. Lose the prima donna act and resign yourself to the fact that if you want to merit on BRD in this day and age, you're going to have to either lvl NIN and learn to pull, or come on a different job. You can be stubborn, and sure, there will always be people willing to put up with your BS just to have a BRD, but you'll spend a whole lot more time with your seek flag up when you refuse to pull than you would otherwise. Do you like paying for THAT?

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They are not so rare that i can't pick and choose. The reason BRD is asked to pull is because during the time between when you cast your 6 or so songs and when they wear off, what the **** else are you doing? Absolutely nothing at all, and that, my friend is not cool. If you want to leech xp off people, that's fine, but you also have to realize that other people KNOW that you're leeching it, and won't be standing for it.


Heh...Don't read too much into this reply, I definitely support a pulling brd - but...

...yeah I see that happening...half the time the melee afk while exping. I doubt they'd notice or care if BRD stopped pulling and someone else did. Its not uncommon for me to send tells to people telling them to stop watching TV and migrate over to where the rest of the party is. Either that or ask why I haven't seen a WS from them in the past 5 mins - gotta make sure melee have enough ACC you know? /angel

Anyways, it does **** me off when I see people half-assing it. I work my **** off on BRD ...but the moment I ask someone to start playing correctly or insist on EXPing with a static I'm a princess BRD. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

There was no real point in this post. So~~ Everyone else is going to be busy watching TV, so its your job to pull! /sarcasm
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They are not so rare that i can't pick and choose. The reason BRD is asked to pull is because during the time between when you cast your 6 or so songs and when they wear off, what the **** else are you doing? Absolutely nothing at all, and that, my friend is not cool. If you want to leech xp off people, that's fine, but you also have to realize that other people KNOW that you're leeching it, and won't be standing for it.


Heh...Don't read too much into this reply, I definitely support a pulling brd - but...

...yeah I see that happening...half the time the melee afk while exping. I doubt they'd notice or care if BRD stopped pulling and someone else did. Its not uncommon for me to send tells to people telling them to stop watching TV and migrate over to where the rest of the party is. Either that or ask why I haven't seen a WS from them in the past 5 mins - gotta make sure melee have enough ACC you know? /angel

Anyways, it does **** me off when I see people half-assing it. I work my **** off on BRD ...but the moment I ask someone to start playing correctly or insist on EXPing with a static I'm a princess BRD. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

There was no real point in this post. So~~ Everyone else is going to be busy watching TV, so its your job to pull! /sarcasm


obviously telling melees to stop being AFK doesn't make you a "princess BRD" (i still think that concept is made up by people who are butthurt that some BRD said no to their PT request)... though i must admit it's pretty rare for me to see such things in a party. fights aren't really long enough to get away with that... i've seen horrible melees, but they're not usually horrible due to AFK. then again, i kick and remember people who do stuff like that. insofar as i remember anything i guess.
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You told them straight up that you're not going to pull...and what they do? Drag you to a camp and then pester you about doing something you ALREADY TOLD THEM you weren't going to do.lol

I'd leave with no guilt.

Besides, they are dummies for wanting a BRD/WHM to pull in a merit party.
It would be a waste of MP for the healer, especially if you're fighting Mamools. You would die if you even tried to keep up with the pulling pace of a BRD/NIN.lol

They knew what they were getting when they invited a BRD/WHM. BRD/WHMs do NOT pull. And if you don't have fun pulling then don't do it.
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You told them straight up that you're not going to pull...and what they do? Drag you to a camp and then pester you about doing something you ALREADY TOLD THEM you weren't going to do.lol

I'd leave with no guilt.

Besides, they are dummies for wanting a BRD/WHM to pull in a merit party.
It would be a waste of MP for the healer, especially if you're fighting Mamools. You would die if you even tried to keep up with the pulling pace of a BRD/NIN.lol

They knew what they were getting when they invited a BRD/WHM. BRD/WHMs do NOT pull. And if you don't have fun pulling then don't do it.


BRDs main role in a merit party is puller, unless there's 2 BRDs. if you don't want to pull, you should be off doing FoV instead of seeking.
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BRDs main role in a merit party is puller, unless there's 2 BRDs. if you don't want to pull, you should be off doing FoV instead of seeking.


That is a BRD/NINs role in a merit party - not a BRD/WHM. If you wanted a BRD to pull in your party then you should've asked them to sub ninja. Thats like asking a Samurai to provoke incoming mobs after they told you they are subbing /NIN. Its not gonna happen.
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I've pulled as BRD/WHM at MJSP a number of times, just to prove I could. These were chain 100+ parties easily. And I wasn't a burden on our healer, I used DS Cure 3 as needed. Plus, I was still pulling Skoffins.

People who don't know how to pull as BRD/WHM are lousy players. End of story.
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Most BRD/NINs have never seen chain 200 and can't get a chain 100 without stressing themselves out.

In merit parties, people don't go BRD/WHM to be puller nor is it expected for a BRD/WHM to be puller.

So when you build a merit party, don't invite a BRD/WHM to pull--especially after they told you they aren't going to do it.
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BRDs main role in a merit party is puller, unless there's 2 BRDs. if you don't want to pull, you should be off doing FoV instead of seeking.


That is a BRD/NINs role in a merit party - not a BRD/WHM. If you wanted a BRD to pull in your party then you should've asked them to sub ninja. Thats like asking a Samurai to provoke incoming mobs after they told you they are subbing /NIN. Its not gonna happen.


this is like saying "when you invite a PLD/WHM, don't expect them to provoke! they're obviously meant as backup healers!"

BRD/WHM is only useful in a party as a 2nd BRD, unless the BRD/WHM is competent enough to pull. your argument is absurd; you're criticizing people for not letting BRD/WHMs leech XP by doing a half-assed job. there's no difference between what you're defending and a melee who never WSs because "that's not my playstyle".
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I've pulled as a BRD/WHM before. It's not pretty, but it's doable. You absolutely have to have on-the-ball melee, though; we had a dedicated WAR/NIN voking my slept birds so they wouldn't eat my face while I tried to get stoneskin or blink back up.
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hey bard people whats your thoughts on thfs pulling at 75? just wondering..
Contrary to popular belief, Thf is a DD, and DD pulling = DD not DDing = slower kills as mentioned above.

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I've pulled as a BRD/WHM before. It's not pretty, but it's doable. You absolutely have to have on-the-ball melee, though; we had a dedicated WAR/NIN voking my slept birds so they wouldn't eat my face while I tried to get stoneskin or blink back up.
With all that effort, it invites the question "why notjust sub nin?".
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Honestly, pulling as BRD/WHM isn't that hard. It's just different. I have reached 200+ chains as the lone puller at MJSP, and at the Mamool camp above the birdy camps. Admittedly, this was done with LS parties, with DD that knew what they were doing, but even as /whm, I never took that much damage, and when I did, I could heal myself.

However, I generally don't play BRD anymore for merit parties because it drives me bananas trying to pull, buff, and debuff, all while trying my damnedest to not get smeared by a mamool.
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With all that effort, it invites the question "why notjust sub nin?".


That time, we had JUST come from Zhayolm Remnants in Salvage, and no one wanted to bother going back to town to change. So we were MNK/NIN MNK/NIN WAR/NIN DRK/NIN RDM/WHM BRD/WHM. Not an ideal setup by any means, but we were lazy, and we still broke chain 100 even with our lazy /NIN DDs and /WHM puller.
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Dear BRDs who want to just buff and not pull,

You're lazy cnuts.


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i just hit 75 brd last month. on brd i sub whm and as such i back up cure pretty effectively as a 75 brd. i also constantly keep songs up and do complex song mixes. i use finale like water w/o having to be told. why is me not pulling on brd an issue. i do all but 1 thing as a brd. last i checkd the people i party with dont send me money orders to pay for ff11. i make it clear i dont pull and people still give me grief over it.



"i also constantly keep songs up and do complex song mixes. "
Okay, BRD juggles a lot of things in merit PT, but they're no DJs.

Nothing wrong with not wanting to pull, just don't expect a warm welcome from a merit party if you choose not to. Contrary to what many people think "Pulling" is not a bard's job, Buffing is, that's what you do for 75 levels. Pulling is a niche that comes in very handy when at merit levels and that is what is expected of you, just like "Healing" is not a SMN's job, but through faulty game design that what is going to be expected of them (and BLMs) in a xp party. If you cannot stand pulling in merit PTs, then just don't join merit PT period, don't join with the intent of not pulling. Just put "Level Sync Only" in your search comment and stick to the 55~70 stretch, you prolly won't break 12k~15k/HR but your not dealing with the mad rush that you would be in Merit PTs, and your still getting very good xp. If you want the +20k/HR xp though, your going to have to suck it up and learn how to pull. My very first time pulling, I pulled have the zone in Mamool, it's something you get use to with practice.



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Because other pullers aren't going to be able to get to chain 200+, whereas you can with little effort.

Equation for Bard at 75 is: Sing songs + Pull mobs = sh*t-tons of exp

Honestly, if you're not pulling you are a lazy b*stard.

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Contrary to what many people think "Pulling" is not a bard's job, Buffing is, that's what you do for 75 levels. Pulling is a niche that comes in very handy when at merit levels and that is what is expected of you, just like "Healing" is not a SMN's job, but through faulty game design that what is going to be expected of them (and BLMs) in a xp party. If you cannot stand pulling in merit PTs, then just don't join merit PT period, don't join with the intent of not pulling. Just put "Level Sync Only" in your search comment and stick to the 55~70 stretch, you prolly won't break 12k~15k/HR but your not dealing with the mad rush that you would be in Merit PTs, and your still getting very good xp. If you want the +20k/HR xp though, your going to have to suck it up and learn how to pull. My very first time pulling, I pulled have the zone in Mamool, it's something you get use to with practice.



Edited, Jan 8th 2010 9:30am by FluffBunny


I'm sorry but you could not be more wrong about pulling..at least in merits.
The bard's MAIN job is pulling and buffs are secondary. Any competent DD group can keep up the same chains with no buffs at all. It's the pulling and having a fresh mob always available that makes bard so desirable in a merit party. There's no other job that can do that as efficiently as bard.

Edited, Jan 9th 2010 1:02am by luxv
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Contrary to what many people think "Pulling" is not a bard's job, Buffing is, that's what you do for 75 levels. Pulling is a niche that comes in very handy when at merit levels and that is what is expected of you, just like "Healing" is not a SMN's job, but through faulty game design that what is going to be expected of them (and BLMs) in a xp party. If you cannot stand pulling in merit PTs, then just don't join merit PT period, don't join with the intent of not pulling. Just put "Level Sync Only" in your search comment and stick to the 55~70 stretch, you prolly won't break 12k~15k/HR but your not dealing with the mad rush that you would be in Merit PTs, and your still getting very good xp. If you want the +20k/HR xp though, your going to have to suck it up and learn how to pull. My very first time pulling, I pulled have the zone in Mamool, it's something you get use to with practice.



Edited, Jan 8th 2010 9:30am by FluffBunny


I'm sorry but you could not be more wrong about pulling..at least in merits.
The bard's MAIN job is pulling and buffs are secondary. Any competent DD group can keep up the same chains with no buffs at all. It's the pulling and having a fresh mob always available that makes bard so desirable in a merit party. There's no other job that can do that as efficiently as bard.

Edited, Jan 9th 2010 1:02am by luxv


not only that, but you should be pulling from 55~70 (and way before) too. BRD should already be pulling in the 30s if not right from when they start partying. the nature of what they do (sing and wait) necessitates it. i pulled all the way to 75. if you don't like pulling, astral burn your bard or something. or be a **** freeloading member of parties that allow you to be.
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My first pt pulling on brd was at 11 on lizzy's in the good ol' dunes.

More recently though ended up with a brd who wouldnt pull in a manaburn I was in Xarca {s}. So all she did to get exp was double ballad .. go make a cup of tea .. ballad .. read a magazine - you get the picture
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Bards pull for the same reason whms should use barspells over rdms: Because it's better.

Deal with it.
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