why is a bard not pulling wrong?Follow

i just hit 75 brd last month. on brd i sub whm and as such i back up cure pretty effectively as a 75 brd. i also constantly keep songs up and do complex song mixes. i use finale like water w/o having to be told. why is me not pulling on brd an issue. i do all but 1 thing as a brd. last i checkd the people i party with dont send me money orders to pay for ff11. i make it clear i dont pull and people still give me grief over it.

Backup healers aren't needed in most good parties, that's why. If you're a 2nd bard in a party, well backup healing is ok because there's not much else for you to do. But if you're the only bard you should be pulling.

Because bard is simply the best puller in the game, don't you want to do what your job is best at it?

Ken.

Because if you make a Melee go and pull then they have to spend time pulling and not meleeing = less damage done = slower kills.

No one can force you to pull, but you'll never get good exp/hr in merits if you don't (unless another brd in your PT is pulling).

That's not completely true. You being a 75 RNG should know that. DDs can pull and cause damage at the same time (i.e. ranged attack then jump into melee).

OT: However, BRD does excel at pulling and then sleeping mobs which makes for the higher chains in a merit party. Although if you're doing birds in Meripo I'd recommend picking up a Lamiabane. It'll save you some time and bird linkage.

And, as others have stated before, you're a 75 BRD you will be expected to pull from now on.

Sorry, it's just the way it is.

Because Bard has the best pulling tools at its disposal of any job in the game.

Another job could pull, but if you both put the same effort into it, he would not be able to pull anywhere near as fast or effectively as you. AND they would have to sacrifice damage to do it.

Last I checked, people can (practically) say whatever they want. -- You are welcome to play with your thumb up your ass and spend $15 USD a month doing so - that doesn't mean I can't tell you how disgusting it is. Not to mention, not too many people are going to want to shake your hand after your name starts becoming well known.

So...I think you need to get your thumb out of your ass.





Singing songs is not complex. You push a button and people magically hit harder or faster. Its the reason why every major end game linkshell has a naked BRD being dualboxed. If you think singing songs is complex, you need to play another game.



Then your a horrible BRD. A good BRD can pull, debuff, buff, heal, pay taxes, melee, tank, and kite all at the same time. Usually though, pulling and paying taxes are the big ones tho - Your not a real BRD unless you can do those.



In all seriousness and jokes aside - Its because in an exp party, having a steady flow of monsters is the most important thing. It is more important to have the next mob ready than it is to heal, or debuff, finale, or buff.

If you merit long enough, you will find that some parties eat though mobs (birds) so fast, it will be difficult to keep buffs up and pull. If you have to choose between the two, pulling should always be the first option. Trust me when I say, melee will complain less about having buffs than they will about not having a mob to hit.

Don't feel bad about the order of things in exp parties. Everything is played different in merits than in end-game - This goes for every job. Don't think your the only one making sacrifices - Most melee don't want to /NIN and most RDM don't want to /WHM - but they do. It's actually more insulting to them when they take the extra mile to setup for a good merit party only to have it ruined by a BRD who doesn't want to pull. So don't feel all butt hurt over it, as they are probably more upset than you are about it.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 10:44am by Asmoranomar

Unless you're the WHM or RDM, in which case they will definitely badger you for Haste the second it drops, before they dare to risk pissing off the "almighty" BRD by saying he's pulling too slowly.

Course, the fact that a lack of pulls might not necessarily be the BRD's fault probably has something to do with it as well.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 4:48pm by Fynlar

I'd say that goes for ANY xp party, actually XD

Well, except for roaming pts

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 5:04pm by Fynlar

hey bard people whats your thoughts on thfs pulling at 75? just wondering..

He point by point of why bards are the best pullers was pretty much right on.

However, I am in the group that firmly beleives in having a second healer/boffer and three top notch DDs. Over 4 DDs 1 buffer and one healler. It is easier on pretty much everyone involved.

The person pulling only has to maintain two songs instead of four. The healer only has to haste three people, and there are two MP pools recovering for a lot molre healing power. The additional healing lets Two Handed DD use hasso, which in conjunction with haste, marches, and good gear means they are doing more damage than 4 DDs would with one healer (actually, just having four strong buffs instead of two will probably do that).

Except for the occasional HNM(well any mob that needs eleseal) that requires /blm.

Bard pulling is by far the easiest role in merit parties to boot.

You don't need to pay attention to people needing cures or watching for abilities. You're singing 2-4 songs that have static times, which again means you're really not watching anything. All you do is keep mobs at camp, which if you always have a mob waiting you just need to wait til the last one dies to pull another, so you don't even need to account for kill speed or worrying your pulls cost the chain.

It's significantly less fun when you're competing for pulls, but in general you just elegy => buff repeat for a couple hours and you're all set to watch hulu! Try doing that on a DD or mage and people can start hitting the floor.

Being backup bard is so dull, it requires just enough attention that you can't completely zone out, but are forced to do the same things over and over and over again. I'ld rather just /nin and pretend to be a singing DD if I wasn't pulling.

huh.

I don't know about anyone else but when I'm pulling and I hear idle background music instead of battle, I start to panic.

I don't see why ANY brd would not want to pull. You control the pace of the party, the pace of the experience points and it's fun!
When I'm on BRD lfp, or start a merit party, I know I'll be getting good exp. When looking on WAR or RDM, I am not as sure.

You know how you will be in a lower level pt and you will sometimes run into that RNG or THF who doesn't pull and you tell your LS all about how this RNG won't even do something that he/she should be doing; then soon after all your LS members lol at said RNG or THF?

Yeah, a brd not pulling is even lulzier than that.

More like I'd jump on bard and give double marches was the thought there :D

Heh...Don't read too much into this reply, I definitely support a pulling brd - but...

...yeah I see that happening...half the time the melee afk while exping. I doubt they'd notice or care if BRD stopped pulling and someone else did. Its not uncommon for me to send tells to people telling them to stop watching TV and migrate over to where the rest of the party is. Either that or ask why I haven't seen a WS from them in the past 5 mins - gotta make sure melee have enough ACC you know? /angel

Anyways, it does piss me off when I see people half-assing it. I work my butt off on BRD ...but the moment I ask someone to start playing correctly or insist on EXPing with a static I'm a princess BRD. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

There was no real point in this post. So~~ Everyone else is going to be busy watching TV, so its your job to pull! /sarcasm

You told them straight up that you're not going to pull...and what they do? Drag you to a camp and then pester you about doing something you ALREADY TOLD THEM you weren't going to do.lol

I'd leave with no guilt.

Besides, they are dummies for wanting a BRD/WHM to pull in a merit party.
It would be a waste of MP for the healer, especially if you're fighting Mamools. You would die if you even tried to keep up with the pulling pace of a BRD/NIN.lol

They knew what they were getting when they invited a BRD/WHM. BRD/WHMs do NOT pull. And if you don't have fun pulling then don't do it.

That is a BRD/NINs role in a merit party - not a BRD/WHM. If you wanted a BRD to pull in your party then you should've asked them to sub ninja. Thats like asking a Samurai to provoke incoming mobs after they told you they are subbing /NIN. Its not gonna happen.

Reality-
Most BRD/NINs have never seen chain 200 and can't get a chain 100 without stressing themselves out.

In merit parties, people don't go BRD/WHM to be puller nor is it expected for a BRD/WHM to be puller.

So when you build a merit party, don't invite a BRD/WHM to pull--especially after they told you they aren't going to do it.

I've pulled as a BRD/WHM before. It's not pretty, but it's doable. You absolutely have to have on-the-ball melee, though; we had a dedicated WAR/NIN voking my slept birds so they wouldn't eat my face while I tried to get stoneskin or blink back up.

Honestly, pulling as BRD/WHM isn't that hard. It's just different. I have reached 200+ chains as the lone puller at MJSP, and at the Mamool camp above the birdy camps. Admittedly, this was done with LS parties, with DD that knew what they were doing, but even as /whm, I never took that much damage, and when I did, I could heal myself.

However, I generally don't play BRD anymore for merit parties because it drives me bananas trying to pull, buff, and debuff, all while trying my damnedest to not get smeared by a mamool.

Dear BRDs who want to just buff and not pull,

You're lazy cnuts.


Thank you,

The playerbase.

Because other pullers aren't going to be able to get to chain 200+, whereas you can with little effort.

Equation for Bard at 75 is: Sing songs + Pull mobs = sh*t-tons of exp

Honestly, if you're not pulling you are a lazy b*stard.

D

not only that, but you should be pulling from 55~70 (and way before) too. BRD should already be pulling in the 30s if not right from when they start partying. the nature of what they do (sing and wait) necessitates it. i pulled all the way to 75. if you don't like pulling, astral burn your bard or something. or be a sh*tty freeloading member of parties that allow you to be.

Bards pull for the same reason whms should use barspells over rdms: Because it's better.

Deal with it.