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#1 Dec 11 2003 at 3:51 PM Rating: Default
i was wondering if there were any mithras that were bards. If so how well is it?
#2 Dec 12 2003 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not one but Iplan on being one :) Still a thief for now, ut I can't wait till I can be a bard. 19more levels to go ~sigh~
#3 Dec 12 2003 at 10:23 AM Rating: Default
Mithra bards are rare because Mithras have low Charisma. Charisma is the primary bard stat because it can enhance the effectiveness of some of your songs. Elvaan, Taru Taru and Humes all have the same high level of inherent charisma. Galkans and Mithrans have low inherent charisma.
#4 Dec 12 2003 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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and tarutaru warriors aren't effective but that doesn't take anything away from gameplay. Just makes it more challenging. Play whatever you like honestly your most effective isn't always that much more effective. your going to help regardless. =)
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#5 Dec 13 2003 at 8:00 AM Rating: Default
I totally agree Jaenale. I was mearly pointing out why there aren't many Mithran Bards around. Believe me, I don't think that race should be the deciding factor when choosing a job you think you'd enjoy. In fact I'm playing an Elvaan WHM and even though my lack of MP's are starting to become a problem, I'm enjoying myself (until I get to level 30 and become a bard!) :-)
#6 Dec 13 2003 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Elvaan make insanely great white mages.

Often the hume and Elvaan are better than a tarutaru

Becuase of the fact that white mages cause hate and they do take damage a certain amount of hit points are necessary. So in turn you want hitpoints which elvaan and hume have. You can simply place MP bonus items on to enhance your mp .. Magna items are great +15 - 30 average .. i am lvl 34 Hume with around 360 mana
Elvaan have higher mind than a tarutaru does so they get better curative and enhancment times. Granted a tarutaru can also place HP + items on to contradict this, but you don't get the natural versatility of a Hume and Elvaan's ability to change class and be slightly more successful

Edited, Sat Dec 13 14:58:23 2003 by Jaenale
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#7 Dec 15 2003 at 11:51 AM Rating: Default
Concerning the Mithra BRD discussion. I looked at the lvl 70 stats of each race as a BRD. A lvl mithra BRD and a lvl 70 Taru BRD only have a 7 pt difference in CHA. 7 points. Not 10 or 20 or 30. 7. this means with merely one or two decent CHA items you could JUST as high of CHA as any of the other races. Plus BRD pulls a lot of hate and Mithra gets really high DEX and AGI. So imo mithra makes a great BRD. And yes i am omw to makin a mithra BRD. =P
#8 Dec 15 2003 at 12:41 PM Rating: Default
In the last post, someone says that bards pull alot of hate. I don't exactly see how this is true, considering that most bards just kind of sit back, if your sub is whm, you gain a little hate, but this is mostly when there is an emergency, in which case someone will have more hate than you. I can see some debuff songs causing hate, but most of the time you should wait a little into combat for a warrior to provoke them, which isnt a problem. most warriors use provoke simply to lure the monster to them. I also agree that race should not decide your class, in the long run, with bard as your main class, it won't really matter too much at all. There are always items out there to help you, and parties will still want you just based on the fact that your a bard. Just do your thing as long as you are happy.
#9 Dec 17 2003 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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everything you do builds up hate in some way shape or form, healing, attacking and debuffing aren't the only way, buffing people builds it up too and if your constantly putting up buffs that make everyone considerably stronger (as the bard is the buff master in this game) you are generating hate, just maybe not as fast as Mr. Burnaholic the BLM
#10 Dec 18 2003 at 7:09 AM Rating: Default
Bards job is also to do crowd control by using Sleep and AE Sleep to stop monsters. Black Mage & Red Mage sleep are resisted quite often.

Doing this kind of job often gets a monster on you if it resists the Sleep or just wakes up.

Some people even say Galka is the best bard for some HNM fights because the Bard takes so much punishment from trying to Sleep all the mosnters.
#11 Dec 20 2003 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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i am sure this is a stupid question, but what is 'hate'. i hear people talking about characters 'pulling' hate.
i havn't got the game yet so i don't know what it does.
please help =)
#12 Dec 22 2003 at 8:01 AM Rating: Default
Those 7 points in CHR might make a difference though, since with the same equipment a Hume, Elvaan, or Taru bard will still have 7 more points in CHR. Certain BCNM require mass AE Lullaby, and without the high CHR the song can get resisted quite easily. A very well balance PT from my linkshell was laid to waste by a BCNM because their Bard's lullaby simply was not working due to his lack of equipment. A Mithran would quite possibly not be able to make up that difference, even with the best equipment.

That being said, I think any race can do any job well for most regular-play situations. I've even seen a Galka WHM do just fine in levelling parties in Qufim. And Bards are in such short supply, you'll probably be able to find a group no matter what your race is :)

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#13 Dec 25 2003 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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As for mithra being bards, well... Have you ever heard a cat sing? ;)
#14 Dec 25 2003 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Finding a party as a bard will be a piece of cake no matter what race you are. You may not be as perfect as a Taru, but you will still have people knocking down your door.

I L-O-V-E playing a Mithra! And I cannot wait to get bard status :D woooot

I'm now leveling my Mithra as a WHM so I can sub both thief and WHM with the bard. And while my mp is lower than a Taru's would be. At level 6, I'm already getting messages to join parties. Barding will be no different.
#15 Dec 25 2003 at 9:54 PM Rating: Default
I'm 68 BRD, mithra. With equipment and foods(tea) which raise up CHR point, there's no worry about to be resisted songs. and..I have not been waiting for 1 hr to join a party while doing BRD.
Also, as some pp mentioned, with some burning circle battle,which fight with multi monsters, BRD should be taugh because BRD pull monsters hate because BRD always keep monsters asleep.
BRD with mithra is not bad option.
#16 Dec 27 2003 at 8:27 AM Rating: Default
id just like to add in, the survivablity of a bard to your group is a huge factor also. what good is a bard if hes dead...
#17 Dec 29 2003 at 6:19 AM Rating: Default
i love my mithra bard/thief.

high surviving rate

just as powerful as a taru bard, the difference is almost non-existant.

steal

treasure hunter <-- people who say that this isnt good, obviously never played the game... great skill to have, especially when questing or hunting NMs.

set up the group with buffs, go in and steal, collect the loot at the end. what can be better.
#18 Dec 30 2003 at 10:25 AM Rating: Default
I just became a mithra bard and I think it's great! The dilemna I've been facing now is what will my subjob be! With a warrior I get higher strength so I can actually engage enemies. As a monk I'd get higher HP/Vit but lower str. I am shying away from a whm because obviously a taru2 would be better at that with all that mana.. I'm trying to play to the strengths of a mithra. In addition.. If I subbed pld, then by the ending a whm will have double the MP, but, I'll be able to survive much easier. So, that is my question; what does everyone think about a mithra bard/pld? Because I don't think whm is that viable since I'll have so much lower MP..
#19 Dec 30 2003 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
I think it is worth trying. Just be sure to have fun doing it.
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