Changes to the new 2 hour abilityFollow

It's an interesting change, we're talking about a 2300ish stoneskin effect. This seems a bit more useful as an ohshi* ability then giving a RR effect. I can see using it when the chips are falling, then popping a new jug and being able to recover the situation.

Thoughts?

My pet is already a stoneskin effect that's not cut in half. And I can recover it every minute with reward, or constantly with mulsum, instead of every 2 hours.

And who's betting it's the same 30 second duration on the effect like most two hour abilities? Even the 5 minute duration of normal stoneskin would be too weak for a two hour ability, but I'm betting on the 30 second duration.

I guess my thought is... that this is still pretty weak. Consider this, it is basically a single target benediction, with a reasonably potent stoneskin, that we need to sacrifice something we pay gil for to get.

So whm can heal the HP and the status ailments of the whole party without sacrificing anything... um, why should we have to give up our pet for less?

This new special ability is a replacement to the cure skin nonsense.

I really like the idea, and I'm eager to test it out, but I'm not sure how great it will be.
Fight has a 12 second recast, yes, 10 seconds... and I expect I'll be asking them to reset that recast as well.

This really makes me want to organize the ready moves more.

Edited, Nov 20th 2012 9:30pm by Xilk

NICE!! that is how it should be!!
Hurray for not NEEDING to spend tons of pets!
I"ve been testing pet ready moves all day. I"ll post information in the pet testing thread soon.
I've found a few small surprises.

Xilk, this is a pile of sadness. ; ;

How was your experience with other pets? Looking at a move like... Foot Kick, for example, would there still be a 5ish second delay because of the Ready command, or could you spam it? Pretty disheartened about the Fantod/Back Heel business.

And as you said, they really ought to reset Call Beast/Sic/Ready timers...

As far as other combo's that work well...
I think if you can get someone to let you come to a zerg fight, starting w/ purulent ooze > corrosive ooze > dd pet of your choice would be rather effective.

corrosive ooze lasts for ~60seconds and its the strongest def down in the game. Also the bio from purulent ooze will stack w/ the attack down from corrosive ooze. for a net attack down of +~ 40%.

Acid mist is stronger, and last longer, but it is only attack down. That a defensive enfeeble, not an offensive one.
The Ooze combination would be incredibly powerful. drop the first 10% of the NM's hp, drop its def by a 1/3 and give it a bio... that's like a 50% boost to the attack of all your dd's. I"d want to go w/ pet w/ super high attack after that. LIke Hobs or maybe Toloi.
IF its a fight you can actually give killer instinct on, then BST is one of the most potent offensive party boosts and a solid dd as well.

Also, both Julio and Louise have some VERY long duration enfeebles. Dropping Gloeosuccus and Palsy Pollen on a mob or group will turn them into squirming goo that can't quite damage you no matter how hard it struggles. Both enfeebles last 3 min and have very high potency. Thats a 33% slow and my best estimate at a 40% paralyze... (which really makes me want to supertank some beast family mobs) slow/para 50% killer effect 60%ish damage reduction...

And that bring me to a fun one which isn't much of a stretch from others.

use that fun killer effects gear to gather a nice fan club in my favorite place around sobek w/ lulush.
pile on the str+ atma. pull a nice crowd.
Then spam whirl claws and wild carrot

Sweet!!!

Yeah, it is lots of fun! I"m surprised you got 15 Foot Kick off, Thats 1 every 4 seconds.
Thats fantastic!

Where's your video then?

Fantod has a long animation then it doesn't do it's thing till another attack. I can see foot kick being sweet. Too bad the animation for wild carrot is so long, still, could see that being fun for like a campaign battle or something, if you come in later to battle, spam several wild carrots, giving the npcs a second wind.... Uggh whirl claws and wild carrot supertanking campaign

Could also make bst more fun in WoE for a minute, get a handful of bsts to pop at the same time on a boss, burn it down quick before it eats everything with AoEs

Edited, Nov 24th 2012 1:54pm by Olorinus

Lucky Lulush... is friggin' awesome. :D Out of all the pets so far, it's looking to be one of the top contenders for damage output during BST SP2, with a combination of high damage and high frequency of Ready moves during those 60 seconds.

And there's quite a few different things we can use this SP ability for... Had some fun TP draining with Fatso, and stun-locking with Numbing Noise using Broncha.

Here is my personal best for squeezing as many ready moves into the SP2 time frame (and though not terribly meaningful, some average damage values on Athamas in Aby-Mis w/ Apoc, RR, VV):

Ready Move         Average Damage          Moves/minute 
Tail Blow                580                    12 
Spiral Spin              586                    13 
Blockhead                682                    14 
Recoil Dive              732                     9 
Frogkick                 774                    12 
Ripper Fang              903                    11 
Back Heel                908                    10 
Head Butt               1011                    14 
Razor Fang              1014                    14 
Lamb Chop (w/Rage)      1014                    11 
Tortoise Stomp          1085                    15 
Nimble Snap             1113                    13 
Foot Kick               1812                    16

A lot of the success here involves quality connection/timing.

Edited, Nov 24th 2012 6:37pm by Bookmarku

Yeah, good call. :) It's safe to assume that you'd have RR in Abyssea, so he's a sure bet in those zones at the very least.

L^2 also proved to be quite effective against Pygmytoise down in Gustav Tunnel. I had tried Fantod > Back Heel on them, but it was only doing less than half damage compared to the Foot Kicks. Aqua Breath isn't bad, except for its long animation/delay, and there are resists against higher level foes.

Let's see if this worked: Click here for bunny rampage?

Edit: Got the ACP Final Boss fight recorded now too.

Edited, Nov 25th 2012 10:31am by Bookmarku

Ha! You'll see the translation probably in about 6 hours, but it looks like it was an oversight, and they are gonna fix the call beast recast for the new bst sp2 so it resets it right when you use it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/28267-%E6%96%B0SP%E3%82%A2%E3%83%93%E3%83%AA%E3%83%86%E3%82%A3%E3%81%AE%E8%A6%8B%E7%9B%B4%E3%81%97%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6?p=381668#post381668

yeah this is good. Hopefully not too good... seeing lu burn down that spider makes me worry about nerfadoodles. I hope they recognize being able to burn down a seal tier NM is not a huge deal.

Those were my thoughts exactly.

On high level content, our enfeebles are probably the most reliable.
We also have some uniquely powerful ones. That's why I wanted to get some solid testing done on them. Gooey, fargann, broncha and Julio probably have our most useful abilities for group work.

Brenner, pet vs bluemage >> Voracious trunk.

I did not test for effects of tp on each ready move... that would be good to know, but I don't think I'll have the patience for it.
Besides, Most my testing all had aymur + ferine manoplas +2 equipped. for every war type that is a guarenteed 300% tp. and at least 250 for mnk, thf, pld types.

... dang it... I think Its not...
I'm probably crossing wires in my head between blunt/piercing/slashing weakness and pet weaknesses.

"BST SP2" is just the temporary name for our new "2-hour" ability on the Test Server. :)