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#1 Jan 29 2012 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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I've not been able to play since the the end of September, and just got back today, now I'm a little rusty again.

I'm curious about the last Limit Break, reading up on it, it seems that a lot of people have had trouble with it. Most of the testimonials I have read focus on either balanced set ups, all mnk +healer set ups, or all mage set ups.

I have heard BST performs quite well in the fight but I have seen no BST PT testimonials, though I have read of BSTs soloing the fight on the test server, but the time limit has been reduced since then. What kind of numbers would I be needing to pull this off? (Most of my friends are Bsts, so Bst runs are easier for me to put together). I'd rather not be one of these people who unfortunately have gone 0/10 on the fight and still havent won.

On another note which are the stand out pets of the new additions? Has Falcorr replaced Yuly? Is the Adamantoise worth his salt?
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#2 Jan 29 2012 at 3:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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a few things to know about the fight. no single hit will do more than 100 damage unless you use the weakness item on him.
If you go in w/ 5x bst it will be a pretty decent fight.
/nin or /dnc dual wield, let pets get hate, zerg him down.
if he turns to you to do wS on you, you are most likely dead. WS are often 1-shot kills to pt members. Keep hate on pets, be ready to use pet food. I would recommend at least 1x gooey, and I otherwise prefer mnk pets, they hit the most. more likely to counter, etc.

smn/sch is a great addition as well. firestorm + enfire from ifrit increase the damage alot. However, be aware that you may take hate quickly that way.

I spammed it several times to help ppl thru. we had some weakness items which were convenient once the pets started going down, using a weakness item allowed us to get more pets out safely, but its not really necessary. I tried to help several weeks later and we only had 3x bst... it wasn't quite enough. 4x bst is enough, but full pt is best.

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#3 Jan 29 2012 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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Awesome thanks, I should be able to rustle up at least 4 sometime during the week.

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smn/sch is a great addition as well. firestorm + enfire from ifrit increase the damage alot. However, be aware that you may take hate quickly that way.


I always thought enspells were hate free? Or has my memory turned to mush again?
#4 Jan 29 2012 at 9:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Enspells don't give hate, yep.

Enspellgas also aren't particularly useful for a pet-burn approach, due to the fact that... they won't hit the pets.
#5 Jan 30 2012 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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Enspells don't give hate, yep.

Enspellgas also aren't particularly useful for a pet-burn approach, due to the fact that... they won't hit the pets.


I assumed he meant for the BSTs rather than the pets, as a way of surpassing the 100 damage cap slightly.
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#6 Jan 30 2012 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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I assumed he meant for the BSTs rather than the pets, as a way of surpassing the 100 damage cap slightly.


BST-burns should be using tails though, meaning the BST damage output is going to be pretty bad regardless. The strategy relies on the fact that pets can stay on top of a randomly-running-around enemy target better than human players can.
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I assumed he meant for the BSTs rather than the pets, as a way of surpassing the 100 damage cap slightly.


BST-burns should be using tails though, meaning the BST damage output is going to be pretty bad regardless. The strategy relies on the fact that pets can stay on top of a randomly-running-around enemy target better than human players can.


naw it doesn't depend on pets chasing the running target at all. Its nice, it makes it very easy, but doesn't depend on it. The weakness items are jsut an emergency button for a bst burn on this fight.

Yes, I do mean for the master getting more hate w/ enfire effect. The first time I got the enfire, I took hate immediately and got 1-shotted at beginning of fight. Twilight set FTW.

w/ 4x bst and 4x pets.. you do alot of damage quite quickly. 5x bst is even better ofcourse. if you start fight w/ purulent ooze and corrosive ooze also... the hp drops fast. the trick is staying alive.. so popping PD off when engaging wouldn't hurt either, so long as smn is there.
If you ahve 5x BST, you can probalby wear him down w/ pets only before time is up.
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#8 Jan 31 2012 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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It's worthy of note that buffs carry over into the BCNM. So... have a COR alt outside give the BST party member's Companion's Roll, drop and re-invite your original member prior to entry ^^

#9 Jan 31 2012 at 6:04 PM Rating: Default
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naw it doesn't depend on pets chasing the running target at all. Its nice, it makes it very easy, but doesn't depend on it. The weakness items are jsut an emergency button for a bst burn on this fight.


It very much does; this is the reason why a party of standard melees does much better with Perfect Defense than it does with a tail. Damage output from melee players drops dramatically with Atori running all over the place. On the other hand, damage from pets stays mostly the same.

A tail is required for Hundred Fists at least; he will still shred through pets just as well as he does with us without one. To that extent, I wouldn't call it an "emergency" button. Exception might be if you're able to pull off a successful kite strategy; from what I hear Atori doesn't have Flee speed like Maat does.

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Yes, I do mean for the master getting more hate w/ enfire effect. The first time I got the enfire, I took hate immediately and got 1-shotted at beginning of fight. Twilight set FTW.


You would have pulled hate Enfire or not. Added effect damage is hateless.

Edited, Jan 31st 2012 7:05pm by Fynlar
#10 Feb 01 2012 at 7:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fynlar wrote:


It very much does; this is the reason why a party of standard melees does much better with Perfect Defense than it does with a tail. Damage output from melee players drops dramatically with Atori running all over the place. On the other hand, damage from pets stays mostly the same.



Edited, Jan 31st 2012 7:05pm by Fynlar



I fought it a dozen times. We only used weakness items for maybe 1/2 of those.. first time because some had a bad earlier experience. The rest we used just to get out of inventory.

Pet burn doesn't need weakness item at all. Atori doesn't burn thru bst pets like players. Bst pets have too much hp. He's not going to 1-shot them w/ WS's.
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#11 Feb 01 2012 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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Xilk wrote:
Fynlar wrote:


It very much does; this is the reason why a party of standard melees does much better with Perfect Defense than it does with a tail. Damage output from melee players drops dramatically with Atori running all over the place. On the other hand, damage from pets stays mostly the same.



Edited, Jan 31st 2012 7:05pm by Fynlar



I fought it a dozen times. We only used weakness items for maybe 1/2 of those.. first time because some had a bad earlier experience. The rest we used just to get out of inventory.

Pet burn doesn't need weakness item at all. Atori doesn't burn thru bst pets like players. Bst pets have too much hp. He's not going to 1-shot them w/ WS's.



Yeah, I've only fought him 3 times but each time Hundred fists has only taken out one or two pets. Taking 3 or more BSTs (or loads of mulsum...) seems to be a fairly low-risk way of doing this BC.
#12 Feb 01 2012 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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Hi all,
I've done this fight exactly 10 times now, three times with 6 bsts the rest with mixed parties. The first two Bst parties won, the rest are all ko's . . .
The third Bst party lost because of too many badly geared/equipped & inexperienced members, 3 of whom were casual pick-ups & couldn't accept that to use Ruinator pulled the little tyke's hate & got them 1-shotted. Forget rr, with Call pet timers down it was postponing the inevitable.
The first two method's, go in, Call beast, Familiar, allow Call Bst timer to reset for 2 minutes, [means u only have 8 minutes for fight], run into circle set your pets on the devil & watch while he demolishes them like a walk in the park ! lmao
Once they are all in let them get tp to 100 then use tp Ready then go in & batter the little b***** !
Make sure you have fresh pet's & food ready & switch asap.
Trust me, the dear ickle wickle taru will as has been said 1-shot not only any pet but also yourself if you take any iota of hate. Well do I recall in the 3rd fight as an act of desperation using Lamb Chop then Rampage followed by [a non-existant due to lag . . .] Snarl, result he did my NN then me with a 1882 Asuran Fists. Time to use or call a fresh pet, not a chance, lol.
I actually love this fight & join in any lb party I can purely so that I can laugh like a demented lunatic as the body count rises, it's a joy to think that SE could disguise such an evil monstrosity in such a cutaru body.
Check out the 'Doh' album for some particularly fine shots of the taru's handiwork.
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Good luck & don't for 1 minute underestimate this fight, you will die if you do trust me ! [mwhaahaha . . .]
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#13 Feb 01 2012 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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I've struggled to put a group together so far, so it will probabally be weekend before I can have enough friends online to make my first real attempt at this.

However I can vouch for Xilk, with a little support, some pets can certainly stand upto the taru without need of the Tail item. I made a solo attempt today for sh*ts and Giggles, with a hefty stock of Mulsum I was able to solo him down to 30% before I ran out of time. I know its not the most efficient way of doing things (I used 40+ Mulsum), and very expensive (Though I did it on the test server to avoid needlessly blowing gil). But I'm confident I can get this done now with a few BST friends.

EDIT: I used Slug and a PDT build btw, I had used Yuly on my first attempt but she was oneshotted with the Taru's opening weaponskill.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2012 3:57am by GenryuOfBahamut
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#14 Feb 02 2012 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for all the suggestions, joined a pet dominant PUG tonight 2bst, 2smn, mnk and thf, and went 1/1 with no tails used. Phew! I had been worried initially with all the horror stories I had read. Finally get to play with Raphie now! I hope he was worth the wait.

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#15 Feb 03 2012 at 9:27 PM Rating: Default
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Pet burn doesn't need weakness item at all. Atori doesn't burn thru bst pets like players. Bst pets have too much hp. He's not going to 1-shot them w/ WS's.


Welp, guess I must have just been dreaming then when Hundred Fists tore through each of our pets in about 5 seconds each.

Mobs don't WS during Hundred Fists, btw.
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