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#1 Dec 26 2011 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Seriously, I honestly don't get it.

I'm sitting on dried lava, looking out over the see, waiting for earth weather so I can kill more crabs and pugils. I see another bst on the same trial, so we team up. He has a twilight helm and body, and it pretty much geared to the ears all about.

He summons the sheep.

Now, I've talked to many bsts who do this, and they all know that they just summoned a pet that is capped, with their 5/5 affinity merits, at level 96. And for the life of me, I don't understand why they don't use the rabbit.

Would someone please explain this to me?

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#2 Dec 26 2011 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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A) on ep mobs the difference is negligible

B) Sheep are cheap and plentiful and they are available on the ah AT ALL TIMES. LL has one up on my server right now and the last 5 times I hit the ah there were zero available

C) Because the rest of my non-existent party doesn't ***** about my jug choices
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#3 Dec 26 2011 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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The same reason people used CC over Lars at the 75 cap.
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The same reason people used CC over Lars at the 75 cap.

And with good reason. Why should people burn gil on Lars over CC at 75 for something as trivial as mowing through low EP mobs?
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#5 Dec 26 2011 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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RexWalker wrote:
A) on ep mobs the difference is negligible

B) Sheep are cheap and plentiful and they are available on the ah AT ALL TIMES. LL has one up on my server right now and the last 5 times I hit the ah there were zero available

C) Because the rest of my non-existent party doesn't ***** about my jug choices


A is wrong B and C are quite Correct unfortunatly, gil being most bsts biggest reason multible 90+ jugs beat the sheep in dd, sheep song is nice though.

i have 90 cooking so most jugs are cheap for me, cant do the hippo yet, thats one crappy fish SE picked.
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#6 Dec 26 2011 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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eh, rabbit can be made with what, level 35 cooking? And the mats are pretty easy to farm. I guess it could depend on server but there are always rabbits on the AH when I check - and sometimes other non-capped/higher capped jugs are on the AH for about as cheap as the sheep (I recently picked up some leech jugs for under 10K/stack)

There is an element of cheapness but I think the biggest thing is being lazy. I mean there really is no excuse to use the sheep all the time even if your reasoning is that it is cheaper - cause there are plenty of jugs that are less than 20K a stack and better than the sheep at cap

On Asura Fatso was selling for 7K a stack while sheep is 13K/stack. (Zero up now, prolly cause people like me bought the crap out of it) Audacious Anna is 20K a stack - and though capped with no BA merits, with a couple she is fine - Gooey is 20K a stack - plenty available (though not the bestest DD, obvs) - while rabbit is 23K a stack - I've seen it way lower

basically all it takes is someone willing to put the effort in and buy stacks when they're up cheap. I haven't used the sheep in ages - when I see bst in good gear over sheep cap using a sheep I just facepalm - I think honestly it is the new definition of "buttersheep"

Edited, Dec 26th 2011 2:21pm by Olorinus
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#7 Dec 26 2011 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe he macroed in relic gloves +2 when he used Call Beast, in which case his sheep was level 99.
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#8 Dec 26 2011 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
Would Fatso Fargann even be a good jug to *use* for that kind of thing? I know it's damage is way less than Swift Sieghard, given the same levels.

In any case, when you're fighting mobs that are so much lower level, just because it makes a difference doesn't mean it's enough of a difference to *care*. And there could be more reasons behind the choice than you know about. (Take my current regular use of the above-mentioned raptor. Could it be because I'm currently levelling synergy by making those? Why yes, it most certainly could.)

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Maybe he macroed in relic gloves +2 when he used Call Beast, in which case his sheep was level 99.


augments aren't on live server yet. iirc
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#10 Dec 27 2011 at 8:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Xilk wrote:
yankeestom wrote:
Maybe he macroed in relic gloves +2 when he used Call Beast, in which case his sheep was level 99.


augments aren't on live server yet. iirc


They are. :)
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#11 Dec 27 2011 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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Xilk wrote:
yankeestom wrote:
Maybe he macroed in relic gloves +2 when he used Call Beast, in which case his sheep was level 99.


augments aren't on live server yet. iirc


They are. :)


Well wasn't SE sneaky abou that!
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#12 Dec 28 2011 at 12:58 AM Rating: Decent
Sorry late for the discussion-
I have NEVER understood people who use sheep, even back at 80 cap. Using sheep... I cant even comprehend a reason why you would (inb4 HP tanking lol)
Also, killing EP mobs slower = the same thing as killing hard mobs slower. Why would you gimp yourself in one situation and not the other?
Rabbits (speaking for Lakshmi) are always, ALWAYS, on AH and are about 6k a stack. Rabbit also easily does 1.5x-2x the damage of sheep, can AoE farm, and can heal yourself of the minor splash damage you will always receive.

What the person you were with was probably thinking, was that the 99 jug situation was like the 75 jug situation. Sure, a level 73 HQ tiger would beat the majority (if not all) of the uncapped/75 jugs. This is by far a different situation though, as sheep has inferior stats to nearly every other top tier jug (ladybug, rabbit, tiger, slug, ect)

So in short, I have no idea Thydonon. It's like the BSTs who wear Perle or Fulltime AF3 head.

Edit: Actually, Id like someone to tell me why there would ever be a reason to summon a jug besides Rabbit (DD situations), Ladybug/Hippo (Tanking situations) or Slug (Magic situations)?

Edited, Dec 28th 2011 2:04am by ShadowsongLakshmi
#13 Dec 28 2011 at 3:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Sheep are cooler than rabbits.
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I was grabbing another hadhayosh set the other day. I popped broncha instead of rabbit. Why? I wanted to dispel rage from trudging thomas so I could proc red on him.

Anytime you want a different ready move, you use the pet that has it. Also, I would opt for Shasra, Hobs, Sieghard, or clyvonne when I want movement speed. Maybe Falcorr, but I DO watch my pocketbook.

Its makes total sense to me that some prefer to use sheep because its familiar, cheap and readily available. (some ppl might think that rage actually makes it a better dd though, even though it doesn't.)
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#15 Dec 28 2011 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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I prefer rabbit to sheep, don't get me wrong, but lets stop the crazy talk, like rabbits do double the damage of sheep. Making a point is one thing, exagerating your *** off is counter productive when trying to make a good point.

Also, if you're still baffled on why you may want to have more than 1 jug in your satchel read about Ecosystems and you may understand why you might want to use different jugs in different situations.

Also, some jugs have resistance to different elements, some jugs have different cost points and maybe some jugs are just used for fun. You may have forgotten this is a game, but you have reminded me why I prefer solo or hanging with other gamers who don't take themseleves so frakking serious over pointless little things like solo play jug selection when mowing down ep mobs.

You'll probably need to clean the sh*t out of your pants when I tell you I use the *gasp* beastly earring as well.

Edited, Dec 28th 2011 10:20am by RexWalker
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RexWalker wrote:
...I use the *gasp* beastly earring as well.


For what, to **** on?
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#17 Dec 28 2011 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Xilk wrote:
I was grabbing another hadhayosh set the other day. I popped broncha instead of rabbit. Why? I wanted to dispel rage from trudging thomas so I could proc red on him.

Anytime you want a different ready move, you use the pet that has it. Also, I would opt for Shasra, Hobs, Sieghard, or clyvonne when I want movement speed. Maybe Falcorr, but I DO watch my pocketbook.

Its makes total sense to me that some prefer to use sheep because its familiar, cheap and readily available. (some ppl might think that rage actually makes it a better dd though, even though it doesn't.)


Kind of off topic but im curious, Is there any reason to use clyvonne over BloodClaw?
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Kind of off topic but im curious, Is there any reason to use clyvonne over BloodClaw?


Only cost. From the testing I've done the only real difference is charged whisker and clyvonne is caped at 90.

I could be missing things. I don't have a good attack comparison between them yet.

Edited, Dec 28th 2011 5:44pm by Xilk
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#19 Mar 21 2012 at 6:16 PM Rating: Default
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The sheep can be used to solo the Moogle Kupo d'Etat missions. The AoE sleep makes the fight doable. I know you could do it as low as level 90. I know there's another pet that does AoE sleep making the sheep completely useless, but still >.>
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#20 Mar 24 2012 at 9:43 PM Rating: Decent
Nice necro,
Whirl Claws is a better move to use during AMK than Sheep Song anyway
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Nice necro,
Whirl Claws is a better move to use during AMK than Sheep Song anyway


have you tried it? I'm curious. The reason you want to sleep them is to avoid multiple AoE nukes from hitting both you and pet.
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#22 Mar 25 2012 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
Yea, pet shrugs off any and all nukes. I assume sheep would be the better option back at 85-95
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ShadowsongLakshmi wrote:
Yea, pet shrugs off any and all nukes. I assume sheep would be the better option back at 85-95


ty.

seems the moogles are just too low level/macc to not get severely resisted. meaning any pet will work.
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#24 Mar 30 2012 at 1:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sheep-related info from the VW Weakness Revision Dev post:

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Weakness adjustments related to pet’s special abilities
With the limited number of options available for pets as well as the frequency of use when compared to other jobs, it is more difficult to exploit weaknesses. Therefore, in order to improve this aspect, we will be adjusting this by focusing on refinement.
The below outlines the adjustments for each pet.
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Consolidated to the special ability “Sheep Charge”(Sheep).
(This was chosen based on pet level, amount of HP, attack power, and jug cost.)
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