BST New Jug pets and JA.Follow

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/12293-Bst-Job-adjustment-manifesto-concerns-and-questions.?p=172898#post172898

Edited, Aug 18th 2011 11:11pm by Szabo

I can't wait to test the run wild ability.
Also, checking what tp moves the slug and tiger have will be great.
I'm hoping the smilodon will have more than the 3 tp moves that earlier tigers have had, and I hope for some good Ice elemental resistance.
Otherwise, I don't see much difference between smilodon and our current shasra. (movement speed, high attack, potent paralyze...)

I'm very interested to see what the slug has. I expect corrosive ooze.. and that would be FANTASTIC! the Slug TP moves are VERY potent! I don't expect them to keep encumbrance effect though... although if they do, i am so going to do some ballista rounds :D. I was really wishing for a slug pet back when they first announced the level cap increase. (I have several posts in these forums stating so)

Another BIG deal about slugs: I'm sure few have realized it... but slugs ABSORB water magic.


SE will probably nerf that... if not, then all those water magic spamming NM's just became REALLY easy solo's. (Sedna, Hrosshvalur, Iku-turso, nahn, poroggo's, etc.) (ie, you can stack DD atma on the slug and it will still keep high hp for absorbing all the water magic hits).

yay for another amorph!! but water absorption will probably largely replace fargann as a water tank. Fargann still has the blunt damage reduction however... and they might nerf water absorbtion and replace w/ a high water resistance /cry.

I can't wait to test out the bonus from the new Run Wild ability....


Edited, Aug 19th 2011 1:10am by Xilk

A @#%^ing Adamantoise!?

Gahhh why did I quit!

Giant turtle. YES!!

I understand the concern, but I don't agree. If the buff lasts 5 min, then it lasts long enough for CB. If you are in a tough fight, is your pet going to last long enough anyway? how many pet food biscuits or mulsums are you going to use? If its a pet like lulush, clyvonne, nazuna... then pets are much cheaper than the restorative items to keep them alive. And assuming it buffs up pet offense, then it will be cheaper to use, not more expensive.

Its all situational ofcourse. Hate dynamics will make a big difference in if we use it or not, but thats how bst has always been imo.

the only ones likesly to cap out before 99 are the ones that were added in the first stint from 76~85. Nazuna capped at 86. I would not be surprised if a few more cap out before 99, but I think anything added after 86 will not cap out at all.

Doesn't say just a tortoise but other HNM too. If BST get a mini Fafnir or Nidhogg my DRG is going to be very jealous...

I was away from the game for a couple of years when the level caps increased. Is the Nazuna cap that you speak of before taking into account Monster Gloves and merit points?

So are Monster Gloves pretty much useless now?

u wana hook me up some of the new jugs when it comes out xilk??? i need ur gilz0r!

How did you obtain the new jug pets on the test server? Did you have to craft them or did the moogles give them to you? Just curious what the materials might be to make them.

That's awesome about unlimited jugs and pet food. Are they rare/ex to prevent you from stocking up on them before you leave the test server?

moogle give you any item at all? Aymur?

What ready moves dot he pets have, and what is the duration/recast on Run wild?

Im not a bst in public server but some bst friends wanted me to test the new jugs, so I bumped up my 40 bst to 95 using the magic moogle :P

I have to say I wasnt a fan of GorefangHobs, even with DG he went down more quickly than id have liked (was only messing with Glen Crabs @flux4) seems like a glass cannon. GooeyGerard on the other hand was terribly impressive. It held off 5-6 mobs at a time with ease. Along with Corrosives Att./Def. Down made it reasonably fast tearing through the mobs (Apoc./RR/DG)

Edit: On Run Wild I see some bonus using Run Wild maybe because im only fighting DC its more pronounced
Edited, Aug 30th 2011 7:18am by Tyka

Edited, Aug 30th 2011 7:19am by Tyka

So burning through gil/ inventory space at a stupidly high rate wasn't enough limitation, we still have to only use it 1/3 of the time?

Guys, wtf? Sambas, Maneuvers, avatar's favor, dark arts/light arts, hasso/seigan, innin/yonin, and solace/misery are all constant abilities. I thought we'd learned SE. Stances, not zerg abilities. Even if we zerged anything anymore, (which we don't because every event requires triggers now) we wouldn't be doing it on BST in the first place.

And yet another pet with no 1 charge TP move. Hello slimy coeurl.

Least we have another DD jug in the tiger for when I'm playing random DD job number 837562.

Hopefully the adamantoise and apkallu are cheap, easy to get, and more impressive, cause that's everything SE has mentioned in the job vision, and mostly it's underwhelming.

Even inside abyssea that is fantastic. -33% attack & defense. The def down is fantastic for pets, since its very hard to cap pdif on them unless you fight something super weak. I /dnc and hit the box step all the time for this reason. That is a HUGE boost. I didn't expect the max hp down to work on many NM's but really... 10% of their HP right off that bat? Thats fantastic.

I'm really hoping I can finally do some better testing in a few hours after work. I want to nail down some more details for the pets, and there is no price like FREEE from the moogle.

Parser will make it all much easier if someone found the memloc... either way, I'm going to test new pets and a capped level 90 clyvonne. I strongly suspect pets might actually get a str boost from run wild. I really hope it is not just another weaker version of familiar however... then it would only give our pets +5% hp or something worthless like that. (I don't think thats the case. tests show a noticeable improvment in ready moves while under the effects of run wild).

Are there any mobs with known attack? that would probably make a great way to test pet defense...

Also, I suspect Hobs will have a very high attack power. I'll test the base on him, then take to abyssea to see if I can finally cap pet attack in there. There is plenty of room in inventory for new jugs when I can throw away so much gear now.

Checked again just to be certain:
After using Corrosive Ooze on Chasm Gnat I then brawled on it until it used Pandemic Nip, at which point Attack Down and Defense Down was transferred to me.

Before gaining Attack/Defense Down effects
Attack: 549
Defense: 440

After gaining Attack/Defense Down effects
Attack: 366
Defense: 293

So basically lost 1/3 of my original attack and defense.

Perhaps, but I hope they leave it intact. Its only useful at the very start of a fight when the monster has close to full HP to make it worthwhile.

So far I noticed that this ability seems to add a Regen effect to our Pokemon Pet. Noticed when I was using the level 23 sheep jug in kazhaam, I was originally testing if it made our pets "Level Up" but does not seem like it.

Edited, Sep 1st 2011 9:19am by GagBag

I have to state a revision. I think there is significant pet haste effect going on here.

Its hard to check w/out time stamps w/out a parser and w/out fraps. However, after reviewing other posts on forums, I decided to try to check for haste.

I"m on test server now, in grauberg. I had lulush beat on some crabs for a bit. then hit run wild, and the attack rate seems much faster.

even comparing log, I see before run wild that they were about tit for tat on the hits.
After run wild lulush is usually getting double or triple hits in before the crab is.

I understand that lulush does have double attack, but that doesn't account for the increase in attack rate. I'll do a few more comparisons.. I"ll try to match pets and mobs w/ the same hit rate. (assuming jugs and natural mobs have same attack rate and tp return, which I beleive to be true.)

If anyone has fraps, that would be a greeat way to test it. but I do beleive we are getting a really good haste with run wild.
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I've tested it w/ 4 different pets so far. Its been the same.

that belt would get me into voidwatch even.

I would need to find 2% haste somewhere because I'd lose 2% off my twilight belt... but dang... thats a very sweet belt.

that would bring us up to 14% possible pet haste from gear. (augmented armada sollerets for 4% pet haste)
However squeezing it all in become rather challenging. If I lose 2% on belt, I need to make it up somewhere. That means blitz ring, tierciel, and oneiros cluster. I suppose sentinel shield is another option, but I don't think its worth losing duel wield. having a hasted pet is actually pretty perfect for big jumps in bst dd.

I have fraps downloaded. I'll see if I can get it to work on my system to try to test this potential haste.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2011 3:05am by Xilk

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/13793-BST-test-server-info?p=187494&viewfull=1#post187494

Once again tested on my favorite enfeeble testers... Gnats.
Seems to be ~15% slow, brought Utsusemi: Ni recast from 45 seconds to 51 secs. Duration seems to be around ~30 seconds and very good proc rate on DC gnats (usually in the first 10 hits).

Edited, Sep 2nd 2011 11:00pm by GagBag

Level 95 NurseryNazuna (5/5 BA Merits) has 5824 Max HP.
Level 95 GooeyGerard has 4076 Max HP.

Conclusive Jug Pet Testing

Edited, Sep 3rd 2011 9:18am by Bookmarku