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#202 Jul 01 2008 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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If you have what it takes to upgrade a relic to full stats, the first upgrade is chump change and the second upgrade will not break your bank.

#203 Jul 01 2008 at 11:37 PM Rating: Good
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Trust me, I used to be like "zomg I needz teh upgrade nowz! lol" mentality, but now after thinking about it, it makes much more sense to stockpile the currency until you're able to get Stage 4.

That way you'll know if you're 100% serious towards doing the actual upgrade or not. If at any point you feel it's not worth it, sell back all the coins and get huge amounts of gil back. Regardless, stockpiling is nothing but win/win situation, IMO. Just because I'm not upgrading my axe right away doesn't make me gimp. I know you're not saying that straight up, but that's just the impression I'm getting.

I don't play FFXI to get awesome gear asap. I play the game for FUN. I do what I think is fun at the current point in time. Right now, I'm leveling SMN. I still do some farming, but only when I feel like doing it and I'm having fun doing it. RMT kinda ruin the fun so I don't farm as much as I should. >.>
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#204 Jul 02 2008 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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No implication that you are gimp is intended or has been made. I am just not persuaded that you are really committed to upgrading your axe. The reason I am not persuaded is based only on what you have written.

I do not think you have written anything that is misleading at all. Your interests in the game appear to me to be too diverse for you to reasonably be able to upgrade a relic weapon. That opinion is hardly a criticism, there is a reason that Guttler is so rare among upgraded relics, most ls do not see BST as all that useful or powerful at end game. Thus upgrading Guttler is actually quite a bit more difficult than most other weapons. Think about the fact that there are about the same number of claustrumms as guttlers.
#205 Aug 05 2008 at 9:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Siv, it nearly looks now like you are giving up on obtaining Guttler, since you no longer have your upgrade stats in your signature. but with the new information on Dynamis with the next update, any thoughts on continueing? should be a lot cheaper in the months to come.
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#206 Aug 07 2008 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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Yep, it was just what I was waiting for. Like I said, I am in no rush whatsoever to complete this thing. The axe and the currency I have thus far are all collecting dust in my Mog Safe.
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#209 Oct 23 2008 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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Retired lol... once a quitter always a quitter ROFLMAO.


Shut up, idiot.
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#210 Oct 24 2008 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
The guy deleted his post so it looks like i'm the one that necrobumped this thread :(
#211 Oct 24 2008 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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Nah, he got sub-defaulted and you have your filter on.
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#212 Oct 24 2008 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow, LarryLoungeLizard, you are such a loser. The guy obviously quit the game, so what?

I'm sure if he were still around he would still be working on his Guttler, so go back into whatever crap hole you crawled out of and die, and leave Siviard be.
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#213 Oct 24 2008 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
I was going to rate the troll down, but my rate arrows don't work. Someone want to hit him with the red arrow of doom for insulting our SUXX?
#214 Oct 24 2008 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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It never ceases to amaze me how true douche bags feel the need to make fun of other people. We don't know WHY Siviard retired. Maybe it had to do with RL issues, we just don't know. But, instead, Larry feels he needs to try to insult Siviard in some retarded, childish, immature way, to boost his own lagging feeling of incompetence. Just GTFO, douche bag
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#215 Oct 24 2008 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
He's an asshat. Ignore the troll and move on. We must reinforce that BST SUXX! The more people troll us, it just means we SUXX even more. BST SUXX!!!

Lulz, someone doesn't like our SUXX. Tell me who you are so I can karma camp you into oblivion!

Edited, Oct 25th 2008 12:23pm by PaladinStargazer
#216 Oct 27 2008 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Siviard didnt actually quit btw he server jumped to Ramuh and Joined MI as Yeager lol @ everyone in MI pretending like he quit
#217 Oct 29 2008 at 9:28 PM Rating: Decent
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So... is yeagerthebearded who is refering to siviard in the third person, in the post above, siviard? The siviard who is reputedly yeager in monsters inc. Very odd lol.
#218 Nov 03 2008 at 10:35 AM Rating: Default
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Yes it's me. I fail horribly for what I did, but at least I 'fessed up.

BTW, I still have my axe so :P
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#219 Nov 03 2008 at 3:26 PM Rating: Default
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Well I wouldnt say that not completing a relic axe is a failure, the only way to fail in this game is to cheat someone or get banned for violation of tos agreement. But lol why did you post in your own thread under an assumed name? Plus posting your job levels under the new name was pretty much a give away because you posted them under siviard and we have seen them enough to recognize the list as a sort of "fingerprint".

You kind of fail at subterfuge but that is not neccasarily a character defect.
#221 Jan 30 2009 at 6:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wasn't quite sure where to post this but I think this thread seemed to be the most appropriate within the BST forums. Finally got some progress on my own axe and I'd like to thank Siviard for giving me the inspiration to start it, hope your still planning to finish yours!

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#222 Aug 19 2011 at 12:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry for the necrobump, but as someone who started around the same time as Siviard, I would like to thank him for finishing this yesterday. In many senses, I was probably half-insane for starting a relic weapon without LS support or the means to produce heaps of gil; I have probably spent over 80M pre-Abyssea just to get to stage 4 and was about to delay it indefinitely until the new Dynamis changes came out.

Overall, I feel extremely tired running double Dynamis runs to finish my last 59 L.Jadeshells, but in the words of a BST before me, "[t]he curse of the Guttler did not catch me." I will probably post the turn-in video and the associated upgrade dialogues on my blog sometime in the next few days for those who are interested.
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#223 Aug 19 2011 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kudos thats a pretty awesome achievement! You certainly have some staying power!

I started work on one my self shortly after the dynamis changes, after farming my first 2500 coins I gave up and ended up selling them, and regeared all my old retired jobs. I just got too burned out on dynamis in the end to continue, you have my respect.

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I will probably post the turn-in video and the associated upgrade dialogues on my blog sometime in the next few days for those who are interested.


That would be awesome, I loved pretty much all the CS involving Guttler in the the WotG expansion, would be nice to be able to view the one I know I'll never achieve my self. Guttler Thirsty!!

Edited, Aug 20th 2011 2:12am by GenryuOfBahamut
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#224 Aug 19 2011 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
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thats awesome stuff man congrats on the guttler~
#225 Aug 20 2011 at 7:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks you two; the cutscenes and video are up now as well.
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#226 Aug 22 2011 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
Congratulations!!! Though I don't think I like that goblin's condescending tone. He'd be my first test subject with the axe.
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#227 Sep 10 2011 at 8:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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BST can solo roughly ~100pcs per dynamis, in singles.. That being said, I will be starting my road to Guttler in a month or so, when I get a few select pieces of gear to make dynamis easier. Should take roughly 200 days, assuming 100/day with a few days of not going, and a few days of getting more than 100 (NMs in xarc, etc)
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SakkaofValefor wrote:
BST can solo roughly ~100pcs per dynamis, in singles..


My absolute best in singles was 101... usually I average around 70-80, and that amount varies with competition and how nice the mobs around TEs are.

I also forgot to test Guttler before the first trial, but after finishing the first, a friend (lvl 90 NIN) noted the "Choke" effect was 10HP/tic with -17 VIT (as a lvl 90 BST). I will test it again for variance sometime later.

EDIT: Tested the "Choke" effect on a lvl 75 BLM (after second trial). She noted it was 7HP/tic with -22 VIT, so it seems the effect is dependent on the target's stats somehow.


Edited, Sep 11th 2011 12:41pm by Khakster
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#229 Sep 12 2011 at 7:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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That would bump my relic to roughly a solid year, being fully-funded on entering once a day. Still better than nothing. My JP friend must have the jp button active since he gets between 100 and 175 every day he enters in Xarc. I figure if I can get my mule dynamis access and BST90, I could speed up the progress of Guttler quite a bit.

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Where's the best part of windy to solo currency? Cause right now I'm having a bitch of a time getting more than 40 coins per run.

Also should I sub NIN and try and trigger mage monsters (which there seem to be far more of) but have to rest hp back, or sub dnc and try ja triggers? Because I can't seem to find more than 2 ja triggers together.
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Where's the best part of windy to solo currency?


The part that's in Beaucedine.
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The part that's in Beaucedine.


Solo? Cause the nm's in windy are kicking my ass, the more powerful ones in beaudecine have got to be worse.
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#233 Sep 26 2011 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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The part that's in Beaucedine.


Solo? Cause the nm's in windy are kicking my ass, the more powerful ones in beaudecine have got to be worse.



The NMs in Beaucidine arent bad. Can solo most of the JA proc ones on BST with Dipper.
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#234 Oct 15 2011 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
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Alright, so everyone is saying my 80-100 currency per run in buburimu is terrible. They keep saying BST should be pulling in 200 a run without white !! procs. How the hell are they doing this? Cause I really don't want to take double the amount of time I need to.
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Alright, so everyone is saying my 80-100 currency per run in buburimu is terrible. They keep saying BST should be pulling in 200 a run without white !! procs. How the hell are they doing this? Cause I really don't want to take double the amount of time I need to.



dunno, 80~100 sounds normal to me. but cop drop rates seem higher in my few runs since update.

People like to brag.
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#236 Oct 16 2011 at 12:02 AM Rating: Good
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I figured it out. Apparently by "solo" they meant them and 2-3 of their mules. Off in their own little world it seems.
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#237 Oct 16 2011 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've been working on guttler for a while now 62/70 on final stage atm.
As far as CoP dyna goes, to get 200+ alot of luck comes into play imo.

Best tips I can give u is: use sprinter's shoes and RR out side, bring oil/powder since Spec jig wastes time.
use Movement speed jugs like Tiger or Raptor, if ur pet gets argo, just keep sending him at TE til it dies, run clear of argo, and heel it out run the links.


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#238 May 14 2012 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Dunno if Sivi still reads this, but we knew each other briefly in game. I've seen this thread from the day it was created and thought how impressive it was that he was going for it. At the time, I still couldn't decide between Amano, or Guttler.

Then, Dyna was revamped. Suddently, I could do more with BST. Life is very busy for me, and I had to "Kill my darlings" as Stephen King once said. So I thought about it. Amano is a purpose weapon. It WILL show results and greatly enhance my SAM. But I had to Kill My Darlings... To make this game tolerable as opposed to insufferable, I had to put all my jobs aside and choose one. And BST has always been there for me. I did the most incredible things on this job. Not only that, but with my busy lifestyle, BST is a very good option for me. I can solo what I need when I need it within reason so...

I chose BST.

I chose to spend all of my time maximizing this job. SE comes out with a game mechanic/addition/revamp/etc... and it takes me ages to get anywhere respectable in one aspect of any of these addons. Then they add more, while I'm still working on very very old stuff.

So my BST friends, I'm letting you know that it is not only possible to obtain a Guttler, but it is possible solo. And with a very busy life. Since all aspects are now soloable, you can pick and choose to your schedule and not be held to a linkshell schedule. No more LS leaders getting rich off of your work while you dream about a relic.

Go Get One!!! Go now. Start. I don't care if there is BST competition. You deserve one if you are a dedicated BST, get one.


Ok pep talk over. I wish someone would've written that for me. I have obtained all of my drops solo. I'm just left with a money race now. I'm about 13/60 100coins left for Ogre Killer, and nearly all of the final left. But all the other drops are done. It's all about ancient currency now.


Thanks Sivi. I hope you get to read this because your thread that I've watched over time as well as the Dyna revamp finally got me to do this. I'll post what I've got so far for inspiration. I won't keep a public journal but I'm keeping it private for me. The screenshot is my journal in .xls (really a .png screenie).

So I'll still have SAM,BLU,( kind of MNK and BLM.) But I'm proud to say I'll have a Guttler someday.


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#239 May 14 2012 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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/cheer Duffman!

Looking forward to seeing the finished product - best of luck, man! :D
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#240 May 15 2012 at 7:07 AM Rating: Default
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First of all "Sivi" not only didn´t finish his bst relic, after realizing how much of a time/gil sink it would be (back than) and having whatever drama in his old shell. He also flew from the crowd, got a new name, came in here again pretending to be someone else AND trying to defend how he had acted before. You should probably read this whole thread. For the love of Althana, this "oh dear Sivi great Sivi" has to stop.

Also, i finished Guttler completely solo within 3.5 months, doing dynamis almost daily (and not much else). It´s piss easy, just takes some effort/time. Just a shame they nerfed our beloved pet TH.

Edited, May 15th 2012 9:28am by Mosel
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#241 May 15 2012 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks Falkirk. It's fun that I'm on this path now.

@Mosel Yeah, I read it. I've seen this the day it was posted. I just watched it from the background. I know he didn't finish. I'm just glad he tried. It inspired me to try. I wish he left his progress for all to see. I'm probably past his progress by now. I kinda wanted to compare notes. IDK if you have any bad blood w/Siv but don't take it out on me. Congratulations on your Guttler. I am jealous!
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#242 May 15 2012 at 11:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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You´ll be there eventually! Guttler is a great weapon, it makes BST even more fun than it allready is.

And sorry, i did not want to take it out on you. It is not the point that he didn´t finish, not at all. But what happened later clearly shows (at least in my opinion) that he has (or had) some severe problems. I met this guy once or twice after fenrir merged with his server.

I was in a bad mood earlier, sorry again.

If by chance you are on my server and need any help, let me know; i´ll be glad to help out!
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#243 May 16 2012 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nice! Congrats to all Guttler owners! and Good Luck Dufflite!

I'm working on my guttler too. 48/60 on bills and 39/100 on shells.
I would have been done on the bills if not for the sudden high demand for it. I've been selling pieces to buy more bills but they got expensive and/or sold out most of the time.

I can't wait to finish the bills part so I can sell bills and pieces. More gil for shells ^^
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np. I'm on Quetz.


Yeah our shell prices have dropped considerably since stage 1 (3/3). I think they were at 7500 ea. I've been seeing them at 6800 ish. Really, I've just been selling off the O.bonz/T.Shells to faster fill up my Bynes. Then I realized I should just hang on to both Bynes/Shells. Let the last to stages fill up as needed. Any O.Bonz drops can be converted into Bynes.

It's pretty slow for me. I'm only pulling about 35~42 coins for each category per run or about 100~120 ish. Maybe I don't kill fast enough but I hear others pulling 175~200. (in this thread anyway). I noticed a comment that it was probably bragging. I'm thinking maybe it is; unless I just need to increase my kill speed or something.

Whatever. At least I'm focused like a laser on one job now. When I was diversified into multiple serious mains, I'd never have had the inclination to do this. Someone much earlier in the thread advised focusing. I think older posts showed Siv trying to level fishing, possibly other jobs, etc. That will take away from maximizing this 'quest'. Even with the revamped dyna, it's still a chore.

I am enjoying this. It's fun to equip the Dynamis Axe knowing I really earned it. I've never really had more than a million or two gil on me at once. Knowing how much I earned to get this so far astounds me.
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I'm only pulling about 35~42 coins for each category per run or about 100~120 ish. Maybe I don't kill fast enough but I hear others pulling 175~200. (in this thread anyway). I noticed a comment that it was probably bragging. I'm thinking maybe it is; unless I just need to increase my kill speed or something.


I've definitely seen numbers that are either bragging, lucky white procs, or duo, but 175 is achievable. How busy are the zones when you go? I find that on a good day when there's only 2-3 ppl rotating on the EPs, I can repeatably hit 175. When I'm having to scrabble for mobs, I find it hard to break 150. The other big one for me is concentration levels - I have days where I'm really on form, and days where I spend a lot of time flicking over to websites while I fight and missing procs.

Kill speed is a factor though obviously, and making the best use of JA cooldown too. 2 mobs at a time is perfect so I can keep trying to proc the other while I grind the first one down. Any more than 3 mobs I then spend too long healing from aoes or use too much mulsum (which I could have used the gil from to buy extra coins) etc.


re:prices, My server is also the same situation - bynes and high and shells are cheap (the exact opposite of old!Dyna, which I find kind of weird and hilarious). I guess this is probably a combination of 1) awkward, overcamped or scarce byne mobs 2) lolBastok and 3) a few of the most desirable relics have bynes as stage 3 or 4.
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re:prices, My server is also the same situation - bynes and high and shells are cheap (the exact opposite of old!Dyna, which I find kind of weird and hilarious). I guess this is probably a combination of 1) awkward, overcamped or scarce byne mobs 2) lolBastok and 3) a few of the most desirable relics have bynes as stage 3 or 4.


It's 1. The monsters for bynes suck. In buburimu your options are ravens, which everyone in the zone has to fight over, crawlers of which there are only 8 (not even enough for 1 soloer to kill without waiting on repops), and uragnites, which only a BLM or SCH can kill. Then in qufim you have difficult high hp, counter/guarding, aoe spamming sea monks with a NM roaming around in them, 8 bats with the same problem as the crawlers and only 3, count'em 3, greater birds. And of course Bastok with it's "link the whole zone" sound detection quadav. It's just harder to get the bynes.
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Also, Tavnazia (which otherwise is a great zone to farm currency in, if you're ever able to get the place to yourself) only has a limited supply of 8 NQ bees and a few out-of-the-way NQ bugards that drop bynes, with no HQ mobs whatsoever that drop strictly bynes only.
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so best place for farming bynes is valkurm huh?
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so best place for farming bynes is valkurm huh?

No, probably bastok or the northlands. Because bynes suck everywhere else, everyone else is also in valkurm. And valkurm sucks for coins. Sheep with nightmare sleep that are on the other side of the zone, and 4,400 needles cactaurs leave everyone fighting over the hippogryphs.

Not that you should ever go after just one currency anyway. Get all of them and sell the ones you don't need. Especially with 1 shell=1.2 bynes.

To be honest I don't solo in dynamis anymore. I only go in when we have a group to do the DC's where there's far less competition. Between the TH nerfs cutting 30%~ off the top fo your farming and the almost triple amount of competition compared to 6 months ago, simply making gil elsewhere and buying currency has been faster, more fun, and less stressful for me.

Edited, May 18th 2012 9:06pm by louispv
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#250 May 19 2012 at 6:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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valkurm sounds fine then.
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Duffy: To answer your question as to how far I got before I "quit," I had completed the first upgrade (still have my Leonine Axe) and was nearly complete on the 2nd upgrade. 13/14 M. Silverpieces. That was when SE lowered the price requirement of the hourglass from 1M gil to 500k. There had been major debate as to whether the prices of currency would also lower due to this change. I took a gamble that the prices would go lower, and sold the M. Silverpieces I had in the hopes that I would buy back more currency at a lower price. Boy was I wrong! Prices actually went UP instead of down, and I was hosed.

I may still do my Guttler though, if anything, just for the sake of completion and to put all of this bullcrap to rest. I do the occasional solo dynamis here and there, usually Bubu or Valk, and usually come away with about 120-130 coins. I'm just debating (in my head, not sure if that's a good thing) whether getting a Guttler is worth sacrificing 11% Pet: PDT. Am I a dumb ass? You bet! Though I'd like to think I'm much smarter now than I was back when I originally made this blasted thread. I /facepalm each time I even think about this thread.

Edited, May 22nd 2012 12:16pm by YeagertheBearded
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