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#152 Feb 27 2008 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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;_; Now I want a Guttler too... It would be wasteful to stop upgrading my Relic Horn though (Stage 2 now yay~).

Oh well my ultimate (unrealistic*) goal is to have every relic item fully upgraded before servers go down.


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#153 Feb 27 2008 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Oops... my first ever double post. (._.)

Edited, Feb 27th 2008 5:12pm by Obakemono
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#154 Feb 28 2008 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Going off of what other Relic WS do, the acc down is probably in the neighborhood of -12.5 - 17%. So probably not too bad, but your beastmaster wouldn't be dodging anything after it ^^ (after all, ninjas and thfs actually evade, the mobs miss bsts and wars). Should be on relic katana imo, but SE is crazy like that!

All that said, Guttler / Temp would be a mean, mean combo. Would easily compete with any non-relic job, but fall behind dagger / gkt / scythe relics for obvious job related reasons. Hopefully SE does something about that before too long... only been holding my breath for 3 years. Am I blue yet? :D
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#155 Mar 01 2008 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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This thread renewed my interest inupgrading my axe. So i decided to just try and earn gil by fishing and cooking because I dont have much time to log on these days. When this thread started I had Leonine axe, 8 silverpieces, and 1 100 byne bill. My idea was to try and get a swnse of the time and sacrifice it would take to go all the way to the end. I also had right at 600 kindred seals and 1000 bst seals. Since then I have earned about 6 million gil but have not done any bcnm at all.

I have also been considering the real power of Guttler compared to the other top end relic weapons. The reason why I presently do not think Guttler is worth the effort is that it really does not allow us to do anything that we cannot already accomplish with other gear. It just doesnt break the game in any even minor way.

Indeed the Kraken club breaks the game more than Guttler.

I think Guttler would be much more worthwhile of an endeavor if it enabled BST to do something we cannot otherwise do. For example, allowing the weilder to charm some types of mobs that we otherwise cannot charm. That could be really epic and fun. As Guttler is at present I think it is simply not worth the effort.
#156 Mar 04 2008 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd wait for when SE updates the relics to see if they make guttler worth it. I was searching people who already had a Guttler, and they said it was a waste. Would like to see a few parses myself to make my own judgement. A well decked out bst should be able to make the relic do good damage.

A good parse would be a fully decked out bst as:

bst/war: guttler
bst/war: maneater
bst/war: temperance
bst/nin: guttler/temp
bst/nin: guttler/maneater
bst/nin: any other type of axe combination.

I wouldn't be surprised if bst/war temperance would parse about the same or higher against a guttler because of the triple attack and fast tp gain.
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#157 Mar 05 2008 at 7:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I agree, there are some relics that just don't seem to push the job to the next level. I really hope SE does make some adjustments to them. But I suppose the question is... what would you want to be able to do with Guttler that you can't do normally?

Dronamidgard suggested charming some mobs that are normally not charmable. I doubt that SE would do that but that could be interesting. I think I'd be happy if they gave an -enmity down effect much like Relic gun has for it's weaponskill. Being able to spam ws without turning the mob would be amazing.
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#158 Mar 05 2008 at 7:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd like to see guttler have a double attack so it can keep up with temperance axe if you /war for quick tp.
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#159 Mar 05 2008 at 8:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was thinking further about what I'd like to see Guttler do. The original owner usually pulls out 2 roc pets when she fights in campaign battles. It would be awesome if Guttler had some sort of enchantment that calls one of those Rocs.

And if they really wanted to make Guttler worth it... maybe it could allow the bst to use that enchantment in conjunction with Call Beast so they could have two familiars out at once (much like Guttler's original owner). Obviously this would be something subject to a recast timer. Maybe once a day for 30 minutes or something.

On another note, I got my Monster gloves last night (also got my Koga tekko :D).
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#160 Mar 07 2008 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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Ahh, it's been a while.

Well, an update!

I am going to be sponsoring 2 runs back-to-back. A Jeuno run on Sunday, and a Windurst run on Wednesday. What I am planning on doing is selling the 1 Bynes and the O. Bronzepieces I get from Jeuno to fund the Windurst run on Wednesday. This will, FOR SURE, finish off my first upgrade.....that is unless a Lungo-Nango Jadeshell drops during the Jeuno run (like the last Jeuno run we did, but I didn't sponsor ><)

Anyhow, 1st upgrade should be finished by next week, then it's on to Sandy currency! Yuck!!!
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#161 Mar 07 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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my ls did jeuno last night, was my first jeuno run ever, and we had 3 100's drop, one of each. so, hopefully you get the same kind of luck we did siv.


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#162 Mar 09 2008 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yea some of the WS are unimpressive, but it's more content for people that want to be the best they can. Even if you dont use the WS, the wepons themselves are still good. Good enough to spend all that time and money on? Thats up to the player to decide.


I was thinking about this more and I finally wrapped my head around exactly what the formula is that bothers me so much about things like relic weapons.

The formula for objective based gaming experience in a MMO should look like this.

Time spent to finish the Quest = X
Difficulty of completing the Quest = Y
New or fresh content introduced during the Quest = Z
Reward for completing the Quest = Q

(X = Z)
The value of X should correlate with the Value of Z.
More time spent in a quest should equal out to New or Fresh content introduced. This doesn't mean SE should introduce 8 new monster types for 8 hours game play But it does mean that forcing a person to stand in a room for 48 hours with out seeing anything new would not be a proper example of quality gaming.

(Y = Q)
The value of Y should correlate with the Value of Q.
The more people needed to complete the quest and the odds of successfully completing the quest equal out to the end reward. In other words ignoring how long it would take to get everyone together what are your chances of completing the Quest and how much help is needed. The more people needed and the lower your chances of surviving the task should return the value of Q.

Say there was an NPC that for free teleports you and your entire LS to a big room with AV in it. You would still lose the fight.

(X != Y)

In other words the concept that time spent equals difficulty is irrelevant. Time spent should ONLY equal out to fresh or new content. Time spent doing a quest should be used as a measure for the developer to know how much new or fresh content is needed to meet a certain standard of quality.

So what bothers me is when these things are grossly ignored in the name of artificially lengthening game play. When it becomes too apparent that X does not equal Z, and that Y does not equal Q and when the Value X far outweighs the Z Y and Q together to a point of unbalance is when I become Irate. I consider this poor design.

The Ideal formula
(X = Z) = Aesthetics, story, Atmosphere
(Y = Q) = Game play
Two separate systems that work together in tandom with out conflict.

Relic weapons fail on nearly all fronts at being quality content.

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#163 Mar 09 2008 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
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No 100cc drops :(

76 O. Bronzepieces
49 1 Byne Bills
38 T. Whiteshells

RNG RNG BRD DRG MNK RDM were the AFs that dropped for us.

I'm keeping the 38 Whiteshells and selling off the others in order to sponsor the Dynamis-Windurst run we're doing on Wednesday. Will 100% be finished with first upgrade, then it's on to Sandy coinage! BLEH!
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#164 Mar 12 2008 at 9:39 PM Rating: Good
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Collection of T. Whiteshells for Upgrade #1 is COMPLETE!

On to Sandy coinage!
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#165 Mar 13 2008 at 4:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Congrats :)

Hope you're following the conventional wisdom and saving all your currency until you're on stage 4 or so, don't want to be stuck with a stage 2 paperweight D:. Awesome to follow your progress though, best of luck!
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#166 Mar 13 2008 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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Yep, I'm stockpiling all the coins until I collect 14 M. Silverpieces and 61 100 Byne Bills.

I'll be sponsoring a San d'Oria run here in a couple weeks. Considering the fact we murdered the last Sandy run we did, that should take a nice sized chunk off of the 1400 bronzepiece requirement.
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#167 Mar 15 2008 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah Siviard, i feel the same way you do, though in different ways. I hate doing our Dynamis runs even though we own them all with ease, they offer absolutely nothing that i would need for My "Love" Warrior. YOu might know im leveling Brd and Cor, And Sch atm for The Linkshell to succeed. I Come to dynamis and i do the stuff i dont like as much to get my linkshell ahead to get me ahead.

LoL i feel selfish for doing all that, that a bad thing? I got a bard Relic drop from dynamis last week remember? yeah, well i wasnt excited.

If you guys Arent from shiva and arent in our Dynamis ls you wouldnt know it consist of 3 different linkshells. My linkshell doesnt even do sky, and basically has been a starting up endgame shell for about a year now. Yeah its taking a long time, but i can wait for as long as it takes to get up to sky and get everything everyone needs and leave.

I think my final "Upgrade" is not for a relic, but for a ridill, lol keep working for it Siviard, and when you feel defeated, dont give up, thats not how any of those pimped out Bst did it before.

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#168 Mar 17 2008 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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Well, I got to sponsor a Sandy run sooner than expected!

102 O. Bronzepieces
2 M. Silverpieces

Kept the Silverpieces, and sold the singles so that I wouldn't be TOTALLY broke. LOL (I was down to 42k after buying the hourglass)

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#169 Mar 17 2008 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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Edit out -_-

Edited, Mar 17th 2008 7:32pm by galkaBST
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#170 Mar 17 2008 at 12:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wha? I read 100 Byne x 60 for upgrade #3... = 6,000 Byne.
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#171 Mar 17 2008 at 3:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm retarded, nvm lol -_-; Thanks, I don't know why I was thinking it was an error. You know, broken into singles it really doesn't seem like that much to get a relic... but it's probably only because I've been doing 2 dynamis a week for so long I can't even remember.

Grats on the 2 M pieces :)

Edited, Mar 17th 2008 7:36pm by galkaBST
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#173 Mar 27 2008 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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Um....A new BST LS on Shiva?

LoTB is still around, FYI.....also, who are you?

*ninja edit*

Hmm, LarryloungeLizard, an Audino reference early in the thread indicated that you are a Quetzalcoatl server douche trying to start drama. Please refrain from trying to start any sort of drama. I don't need any Quetzalcoatl server ******** on my server, or on this thread.

Do try to have a nice day!

Edited, Mar 27th 2008 5:33pm by SiviardOfShiva
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Not to mention i still run NeoBSU(Formed from old LoTB members but with a lot of new bsts and smns now) that does all pet sky twice a week. I'm pretty sure the english speaking population(and JP/HK in BSU) on Shiva is spread amongst the two shells, which would make it a challenge to start a new shell. But if thats what you want, good luck.

As for Siviard, Yiranura says hi and send her a tell sometime!
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#175 Mar 28 2008 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
It's a bit OT, but is the LoTB website working? It looks like the front page is supposed to redirect to a forum, but the redirect doesn't fire in the browsers I have, and trying to manually go to the page produces an error message.

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#176 Mar 28 2008 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, we're no longer using LoTBShiva.org.

We currently don't have any website up for the LS at the moment, but I'm sure that problem can be fixed pretty quickly.
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"SiviardOfShiva" wrote:
Yeah, we're no longer using LoTBShiva.org.


I'm the owner of the hosting site and the site admin. Following a recent hack attempt on the site, I shut down the forums temporarily to make sure nothing had been injected into the code. Most of it is done and it's almost ready to re-open (simply restored the backups for 98%, but there's a couple of pages that have to be checked manually).

As Siviard pointed out, LotB hasn't been using the site at all in recent months despite the effort that was initially put into converting the strats'n'guides by several members, most notably Fortran and BloodyDragon. Most of the new registrations there are from non-LoTB members or from spam-bots, although the latter get deleted pretty quickly.

The domain is due to expire in a couple of months, and I'm not going to renew it since a. nobody is using it and b. I'm no longer with the linkshell.

Perhaps Siv should remove the link from his siggy here on Alla, since that seems to be the only place he promotes the site in any way at all?
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#178 Apr 07 2008 at 10:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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siv, whats up man? no update in a while dude
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#179 Apr 08 2008 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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SiviardOfShiva wrote:


Sadly, we're now 3 runs in, and we've YET to have a 100cc drop. I sponsored this run too and came out on the losing end regarding coins. I'm not worried, though. The problems we had with this run can be remedied with more numbers for the run. We only has 21 entering, and considering those low numbers, we didn't do too bad at all. We're getting better, that's for sure.


I don't know if you have anyone coming thf or not, but if they do, make SURE they are tagging each stat that comes in with at least a bolt. Once I started pulling in dyna as thf and started hitting every stat, our 100 drops soared. Record was 5 100's in one run, 4 of them from stats. Just a suggestion for next time you run dyna, make sure them thf's /ra stats and land a bolt before blms nuke them down. You should see an improvement in 100's.
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#180 Apr 09 2008 at 6:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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AHEM! I'm like...totally in another country right now with no access to FFXI! LOL!

I am going to sponsor a Sandy run here in about a week or so, so an update will be forthcoming.

I did manage to nab a few freebie singles from our last Sandy run (I didn't sponsor) but who doesn't like freebies?

*insert Englishman rant here* Can't I enjoy a bloody holiday without some sort of bloody drama? *end Englishman rant here* Can you tell I'm in London, England? BTW I like London A LOT! However, I'll be back in Houston, TX USA tomorrow afternoon so I'll log into all of my alts and say hi to everyone...including you Seyton.
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I'm sponsoring a Dynamis-Bastok run this Wednesday. I will post coin results when the run is done.

Also, I got the go ahead to lot on all the W00tz Ores that drop to help cover my costs. w00tz!!!
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#182 Apr 16 2008 at 6:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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I agree, there are some relics that just don't seem to push the job to the next level. I really hope SE does make some adjustments to them.


THE PREVAILING PROBLEM WITH RELICS

I've been doing alot of thought on this very topic lately. Here is where my mind is at:

In other FFXI games the relic (or legendary) weapons had JOB SPECIFIC benefits. Yuna's Legendary Staff in FFX didn't all of a sudden make her into a melee machine, it enhanced her already present abilities.

In FFXI for some ungodly reason the relic endgame weapons all attempt to turn every single job into melee powerhouses. "Oh Boy! Mjollnir gives my crappy whm an accuracy boost! Woopdedoo! I can really kill these EP spiders now!!"

The weapons need major tweaking to be more job specific.

Mandau is goddamm epic for DD, but let it replace TK too! It should have treasure hunter+1 (or 2!) so that our poor mandau thieves dont have to come to kirin as thf/sam with a **** TK!

Spherai is hella awesome, MNK is there to hit and hit hard, a hard hitting relic is perfect for this job.

Guttler: Needs ... something.. I like the idea of double pets, but it would be a little overkill. But then again, aren't these weapons SUPPOSED to be overkill?? Gungnir is completely unsane damage, shouldn't guttler get similar damage in a way that is job specific??

Mjollnir: Needs Cure boost +10% minimum. Needs Conserve MP trait. Needs SOMETHING that makes it work for the job on the label!!

Claustrum: Easy: +15MAB to ALL elemental spells. -4/5 mp drain for ALL avatars. Throw in a Conserve MP. FOR GODS SAKE REPLACE THE LVL 51 STAVES WITH THE RELIC!!
A black mage is not going to melee, relic or not! So give him something he can use the **** relic for!!

Aegis: is epic. leave it alone.

I haven't hit on all weapons, but I think I made my point. Relic Weapons that are job specific need to be JOB SPECIFIC!

SE if you are reading this i will sell you these ideas for $900 american dollars. Or just send a Ridill to my inbox. Tyvm!


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#183 Apr 16 2008 at 3:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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siv, just for a little inspiration for ya. Dragonkatana on ramuh just obtained his guttler yesterday! so, you needa log onto guttler on ramuh and hit him up for some good, solid advice on things for you to come, like the guttler nm, and such. plus, we all wanna look at it, and onslaught, cuz its just freakin kool. so keep up the good work, DONT get distracted, cuz it DOES happen
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#184 Apr 16 2008 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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Oooo a relic thread =P congratz on it and/or working on getting up all the currency needed


also i skipped from post 1- this page sooo, what stage wep is it atm?

Edited, Apr 16th 2008 6:50pm by Korokodo
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#185 Apr 17 2008 at 6:27 AM Rating: Good
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I sponsored a Dynamis-Bastok run last night.....about 75% of it during New Moon. :O Results...

321 1 Byne Bills - (Converted them to 3 100 Byne Bills, and sold off remaining singles)

22 AF - AF was dropping like candy

100 Byne Bill drops.................ZILCH! ZERO! NADA! NYET! NEIN!!

The 300+ singles makes up for that but seriously, with nearly a fully cleared Dynamis-Bastok, you'd think we would get at least ONE big bill to drop, right?

Oh well.....status below is UPDATED!
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they should make an entire section of end game battles and missions for gear that is head and shoulders better than anything else in the entire game.

the only catch would be to enter such a place you have to have a relic weapon equipped while talking to the NPC.

The new gear would be basically like what you see with god gear but when your relic weapon is equipped it opens a latent with really sic stats.

mage body that gives HQ stats from every staff in the game with auto-refresh +50 hp and +50 mp +10 cure potency +10 magic attack bonus.

melee body that has adaberks stats but when you have a relic weapon on it like doubles all of the good stats and adds a 10% triple attack and insane amounts of haste ect.

at the very end of all of it for the hugest most potent upgrade to a relic weapon you have a series of battles that can not be won with anything short of entire sets of multiple alliances all fully geared to the teeth with all of the new armors gained in the new instances.

These battles would be so ungodly hard that you need every job in the game and everyone up to 60+ people to all be playing their A game just to beat it. Once beaten you get a final key item for the last and final upgrade to your relic weapon where all it does is double the stats of the weapon. Changes the color of the weapon itself to a more gold and silver tone with a slight glow that is very easy to see.

Not only would that make upgrading a relic weapon worth it.
it would encourage big name LSs to continue to churn out more relics. It would take almost 2 years before any LS would have a fighting chance in such an incredible battle ground. Zones where the weakest monster you fight is a standard behemoth. where huge dragons roam like normal mobs. and the reward for just killing a single monster in the zone is high.

lol..
Id hate to have to be in the QA department for something like that haha
still gives me goose bumps though.

Edited, Apr 17th 2008 2:12pm by TheCastle
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NO MORE UPDATES SIV? YOU GIVE UP? WHATS GOING ON?
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#188 May 02 2008 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Haven't sponsored in a while. No updates. ><
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ahhh, ok. sorry for the caps on the last post, didnt mean to make it sounds like i was screaming, haha.
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#190 May 02 2008 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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Siviard, aren't you kind of ****** now that a new BST relic is gonna be out soon?

are you gonna shoot for the new one? or stick w/ guttler?
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#191 May 03 2008 at 5:31 AM Rating: Default
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Why should he be ******* Everyone knew these weapons were on the horizon. Besides siviard has not even upgraded to Leonine axe, so he has not actually spent any resources on upgrading yet. Until you actually upgrade something you are just basically creating a savings account in the form of dynamis money. A wholly reasonable approach based on the fact that so many people start upgrading a relic but then develop other interests.
#192 May 03 2008 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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I'm just playing a "wait and see" game regarding the new BST relic axe. Considering the fact I'm still PSC doesn't really help much, especially if one of the conditions of obtaining the axe is you have to be Captain rank.

Although, if it turns out that I just need to do a bunch of Nyzul Isle assaults to get it, then I may just say "to **** with Guttler" and say hello to um.....what's the axe's name? lol I'd still do Dynamis twice a week with my LS, I've always had fun doing Dynamis.
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@ two posts above: I didn't say Siv was ******* I asked.

and good for you Siv =D I've always wanted a Guttler... it looks so much cooler than this new relic.
What reason could SE have for making new relics, I wonder?
My guess is that they do different things, other than just damage.
Or maybe they do better dmg, but are harder to get (someone is going to correct my on that, I know it >_> /flameshield)
I just hope that they are a time/skill achievement and not a time/money one like the current relics? word?
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#194 Jun 27 2008 at 7:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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all right siv, last post on this was on may 3rd. back then, you said you were holding off on guttler to see about the new nyzul isle relic weapons. but, you have failed to keep us updated on if you are going to pursue dynamis or nyzul. so whats the deal? huh? i expect a full report by monday ^^ hehe
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Shhh!!! I'm hunting wabbits! I mean, I'm farming!
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#196 Jun 28 2008 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Question for siviard. You have your first upgrade listed as complete. So do you have the Leonine Axe?
#197 Jul 01 2008 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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Question for siviard. You have your first upgrade listed as complete. So do you have the Leonine Axe?


i believe siv stated before earlier in the thread that he is stockpiling the currency, so as not to waste it if he changed his mind.

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Yes, that's correct. I am stockpiling the coins, and will not use them until I have enough coins to get to Stage 4 which I believe is the Ogre Killer.

The information in my sig is still accurate. I haven't sponsored any runs lately for more coins since I've been having a lil' too much fun leveling other jobs. (got SAM to 75 and doing various events as BST + now leveling SMN) Farming can be such a pain in the rear sometimes, especially when you get some ******* RMTs in "The Sanctuary" voking and pulling Lesser Gaylas almost bot like.

I do have fishing to fall back on, but you can only make so much gil per day doing that, though. The most I've made from fishing in a day was 140k, and that was because most of my catches for that day sell higher to NPC than the other stuff I was catching. I may take cooking back up again (it's at 40 now) and start skilling that up to the point I can make sushi, but selling the stuff will be a major pain in the *** with everyone else including RMT doing the exact same thing.

The other "niche" market I wanted to do.....would take me forever to get. 1. I'd need Ebisu Fishing Rod (quest is a pain in the ***), 2. I am currently 0/24 with the Brigand's Chart event. I always, ALWAYS fish up a mob and ruin my chances of getting that **** Penguin Ring I need. Sure, I've caught a few Liks myself without the Penguin Ring, but I got incredibly lucky just to wear them down to the point I could pull them up before running out of time. Gugrusaurus.....forget about it! Best I could do was get it to 30% before running out of time.

There is a JP fisherman on Shiva who is currently doing the idea I spoke of above....and he's freaking making a killing. 15k per Lik, 20k per Gugrusaurus, and they sell REALLY FAST! Whenever I see the guy sitting next to Zaldon in Selbina, he usually only has at most 3 or 4 Liks left before I can get to him. I've bought a few from him, but of course, my luck sucks *** and they're empty. I think I'm 0/18 on Liks now and 0/7 Gugrusaurus. I may just try to farm other stuff, accumulate gil, then buy the fishes from him until I get the items rather than try to catch them myself. However, once I do get that rod, from what I understand, it makes fishing Lik and Gugrusaurus painfully easy to do, which would be good for me!
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#199Dronamidgard, Posted: Jul 01 2008 at 11:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lol anyone can stockpile currency, honestly is just stockpiling curency really worth a thread? If you cant even commit as far as Leonine Axe I dont think it is a serious attempt. First upgrade is dirt cheap. If he really is complete with first upgrade but not upgrading then that means having the tooth, skin, and level 1 axe in inventory, which is a waste of 2 inv slots.
#200 Jul 01 2008 at 6:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think it is quite smart to wait until you know what is really out there. With the new weapons being released and other variables I have no problem with the strategy.

Think of it this way, if you knew something cost $1,000,000 and took 18 months to do, would you pay $500,000 on day one? I, for one, would not.
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#201 Jul 01 2008 at 8:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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lol anyone can stockpile currency, honestly is just stockpiling curency really worth a thread? If you cant even commit as far as Leonine Axe I dont think it is a serious attempt. First upgrade is dirt cheap. If he really is complete with first upgrade but not upgrading then that means having the tooth, skin, and level 1 axe in inventory, which is a waste of 2 inv slots.


Oh noez not 2 wasted inventory slots.

Much better than wasting millions in currency : )
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