Siviard's Blog: The Guttler ProjectFollow

Oops... my first ever double post. (._.)

Edited, Feb 27th 2008 5:12pm by Obakemono

This thread renewed my interest inupgrading my axe. So i decided to just try and earn gil by fishing and cooking because I dont have much time to log on these days. When this thread started I had Leonine axe, 8 silverpieces, and 1 100 byne bill. My idea was to try and get a swnse of the time and sacrifice it would take to go all the way to the end. I also had right at 600 kindred seals and 1000 bst seals. Since then I have earned about 6 million gil but have not done any bcnm at all.

I have also been considering the real power of Guttler compared to the other top end relic weapons. The reason why I presently do not think Guttler is worth the effort is that it really does not allow us to do anything that we cannot already accomplish with other gear. It just doesnt break the game in any even minor way.

Indeed the Kraken club breaks the game more than Guttler.

I think Guttler would be much more worthwhile of an endeavor if it enabled BST to do something we cannot otherwise do. For example, allowing the weilder to charm some types of mobs that we otherwise cannot charm. That could be really epic and fun. As Guttler is at present I think it is simply not worth the effort.

I agree, there are some relics that just don't seem to push the job to the next level. I really hope SE does make some adjustments to them. But I suppose the question is... what would you want to be able to do with Guttler that you can't do normally?

Dronamidgard suggested charming some mobs that are normally not charmable. I doubt that SE would do that but that could be interesting. I think I'd be happy if they gave an -enmity down effect much like Relic gun has for it's weaponskill. Being able to spam ws without turning the mob would be amazing.

I was thinking further about what I'd like to see Guttler do. The original owner usually pulls out 2 roc pets when she fights in campaign battles. It would be awesome if Guttler had some sort of enchantment that calls one of those Rocs.

And if they really wanted to make Guttler worth it... maybe it could allow the bst to use that enchantment in conjunction with Call Beast so they could have two familiars out at once (much like Guttler's original owner). Obviously this would be something subject to a recast timer. Maybe once a day for 30 minutes or something.

On another note, I got my Monster gloves last night (also got my Koga tekko :D).

my ls did jeuno last night, was my first jeuno run ever, and we had 3 100's drop, one of each. so, hopefully you get the same kind of luck we did siv.


p.s. fallen says hi ^^

No 100cc drops :(

76 O. Bronzepieces
49 1 Byne Bills
38 T. Whiteshells

RNG RNG BRD DRG MNK RDM were the AFs that dropped for us.

I'm keeping the 38 Whiteshells and selling off the others in order to sponsor the Dynamis-Windurst run we're doing on Wednesday. Will 100% be finished with first upgrade, then it's on to Sandy coinage! BLEH!

Congrats :)

Hope you're following the conventional wisdom and saving all your currency until you're on stage 4 or so, don't want to be stuck with a stage 2 paperweight D:. Awesome to follow your progress though, best of luck!

<<<<<<<<< Phoinex of Shiva

Yeah its Pho, My Boyfriend and i Share an alla account.


Yeah Siviard, i feel the same way you do, though in different ways. I hate doing our Dynamis runs even though we own them all with ease, they offer absolutely nothing that i would need for My "Love" Warrior. YOu might know im leveling Brd and Cor, And Sch atm for The Linkshell to succeed. I Come to dynamis and i do the stuff i dont like as much to get my linkshell ahead to get me ahead.

LoL i feel selfish for doing all that, that a bad thing? I got a bard Relic drop from dynamis last week remember? yeah, well i wasnt excited.

If you guys Arent from shiva and arent in our Dynamis ls you wouldnt know it consist of 3 different linkshells. My linkshell doesnt even do sky, and basically has been a starting up endgame shell for about a year now. Yeah its taking a long time, but i can wait for as long as it takes to get up to sky and get everything everyone needs and leave.

I think my final "Upgrade" is not for a relic, but for a ridill, lol keep working for it Siviard, and when you feel defeated, dont give up, thats not how any of those pimped out Bst did it before.

<3<3<3<3<3<3

Edit out -_-

Edited, Mar 17th 2008 7:32pm by galkaBST

I'm retarded, nvm lol -_-; Thanks, I don't know why I was thinking it was an error. You know, broken into singles it really doesn't seem like that much to get a relic... but it's probably only because I've been doing 2 dynamis a week for so long I can't even remember.

Grats on the 2 M pieces :)

Edited, Mar 17th 2008 7:36pm by galkaBST

Not to mention i still run NeoBSU(Formed from old LoTB members but with a lot of new bsts and smns now) that does all pet sky twice a week. I'm pretty sure the english speaking population(and JP/HK in BSU) on Shiva is spread amongst the two shells, which would make it a challenge to start a new shell. But if thats what you want, good luck.

As for Siviard, Yiranura says hi and send her a tell sometime!

Yeah, we're no longer using LoTBShiva.org.

We currently don't have any website up for the LS at the moment, but I'm sure that problem can be fixed pretty quickly.

siv, whats up man? no update in a while dude

AHEM! I'm like...totally in another country right now with no access to FFXI! LOL!

I am going to sponsor a Sandy run here in about a week or so, so an update will be forthcoming.

I did manage to nab a few freebie singles from our last Sandy run (I didn't sponsor) but who doesn't like freebies?

*insert Englishman rant here* Can't I enjoy a bloody holiday without some sort of bloody drama? *end Englishman rant here* Can you tell I'm in London, England? BTW I like London A LOT! However, I'll be back in Houston, TX USA tomorrow afternoon so I'll log into all of my alts and say hi to everyone...including you Seyton.

THE PREVAILING PROBLEM WITH RELICS

I've been doing alot of thought on this very topic lately. Here is where my mind is at:

In other FFXI games the relic (or legendary) weapons had JOB SPECIFIC benefits. Yuna's Legendary Staff in FFX didn't all of a sudden make her into a melee machine, it enhanced her already present abilities.

In FFXI for some ungodly reason the relic endgame weapons all attempt to turn every single job into melee powerhouses. "Oh Boy! Mjollnir gives my crappy whm an accuracy boost! Woopdedoo! I can really kill these EP spiders now!!"

The weapons need major tweaking to be more job specific.

Mandau is goddamm epic for DD, but let it replace TK too! It should have treasure hunter+1 (or 2!) so that our poor mandau thieves dont have to come to kirin as thf/sam with a damn TK!

Spherai is hella awesome, MNK is there to hit and hit hard, a hard hitting relic is perfect for this job.

Guttler: Needs ... something.. I like the idea of double pets, but it would be a little overkill. But then again, aren't these weapons SUPPOSED to be overkill?? Gungnir is completely unsane damage, shouldn't guttler get similar damage in a way that is job specific??

Mjollnir: Needs Cure boost +10% minimum. Needs Conserve MP trait. Needs SOMETHING that makes it work for the job on the label!!

Claustrum: Easy: +15MAB to ALL elemental spells. -4/5 mp drain for ALL avatars. Throw in a Conserve MP. FOR GODS SAKE REPLACE THE LVL 51 STAVES WITH THE RELIC!!
A black mage is not going to melee, relic or not! So give him something he can use the damn relic for!!

Aegis: is epic. leave it alone.

I haven't hit on all weapons, but I think I made my point. Relic Weapons that are job specific need to be JOB SPECIFIC!

SE if you are reading this i will sell you these ideas for $900 american dollars. Or just send a Ridill to my inbox. Tyvm!

Oooo a relic thread =P congratz on it and/or working on getting up all the currency needed


also i skipped from post 1- this page sooo, what stage wep is it atm?

Edited, Apr 16th 2008 6:50pm by Korokodo

they should make an entire section of end game battles and missions for gear that is head and shoulders better than anything else in the entire game.

the only catch would be to enter such a place you have to have a relic weapon equipped while talking to the NPC.

The new gear would be basically like what you see with god gear but when your relic weapon is equipped it opens a latent with really sic stats.

mage body that gives HQ stats from every staff in the game with auto-refresh +50 hp and +50 mp +10 cure potency +10 magic attack bonus.

melee body that has adaberks stats but when you have a relic weapon on it like doubles all of the good stats and adds a 10% triple attack and insane amounts of haste ect.

at the very end of all of it for the hugest most potent upgrade to a relic weapon you have a series of battles that can not be won with anything short of entire sets of multiple alliances all fully geared to the teeth with all of the new armors gained in the new instances.

These battles would be so ungodly hard that you need every job in the game and everyone up to 60+ people to all be playing their A game just to beat it. Once beaten you get a final key item for the last and final upgrade to your relic weapon where all it does is double the stats of the weapon. Changes the color of the weapon itself to a more gold and silver tone with a slight glow that is very easy to see.

Not only would that make upgrading a relic weapon worth it.
it would encourage big name LSs to continue to churn out more relics. It would take almost 2 years before any LS would have a fighting chance in such an incredible battle ground. Zones where the weakest monster you fight is a standard behemoth. where huge dragons roam like normal mobs. and the reward for just killing a single monster in the zone is high.

lol..
Id hate to have to be in the QA department for something like that haha
still gives me goose bumps though.

Edited, Apr 17th 2008 2:12pm by TheCastle

Haven't sponsored in a while. No updates. ><

Siviard, aren't you kind of pissed now that a new BST relic is gonna be out soon?

are you gonna shoot for the new one? or stick w/ guttler?

I'm just playing a "wait and see" game regarding the new BST relic axe. Considering the fact I'm still PSC doesn't really help much, especially if one of the conditions of obtaining the axe is you have to be Captain rank.

Although, if it turns out that I just need to do a bunch of Nyzul Isle assaults to get it, then I may just say "to hell with Guttler" and say hello to um.....what's the axe's name? lol I'd still do Dynamis twice a week with my LS, I've always had fun doing Dynamis.

all right siv, last post on this was on may 3rd. back then, you said you were holding off on guttler to see about the new nyzul isle relic weapons. but, you have failed to keep us updated on if you are going to pursue dynamis or nyzul. so whats the deal? huh? i expect a full report by monday ^^ hehe

Question for siviard. You have your first upgrade listed as complete. So do you have the Leonine Axe?

Yes, that's correct. I am stockpiling the coins, and will not use them until I have enough coins to get to Stage 4 which I believe is the Ogre Killer.

The information in my sig is still accurate. I haven't sponsored any runs lately for more coins since I've been having a lil' too much fun leveling other jobs. (got SAM to 75 and doing various events as BST + now leveling SMN) Farming can be such a pain in the rear sometimes, especially when you get some dipsh*t RMTs in "The Sanctuary" voking and pulling Lesser Gaylas almost bot like.

I do have fishing to fall back on, but you can only make so much gil per day doing that, though. The most I've made from fishing in a day was 140k, and that was because most of my catches for that day sell higher to NPC than the other stuff I was catching. I may take cooking back up again (it's at 40 now) and start skilling that up to the point I can make sushi, but selling the stuff will be a major pain in the ass with everyone else including RMT doing the exact same thing.

The other "niche" market I wanted to do.....would take me forever to get. 1. I'd need Ebisu Fishing Rod (quest is a pain in the ass), 2. I am currently 0/24 with the Brigand's Chart event. I always, ALWAYS fish up a mob and ruin my chances of getting that damn Penguin Ring I need. Sure, I've caught a few Liks myself without the Penguin Ring, but I got incredibly lucky just to wear them down to the point I could pull them up before running out of time. Gugrusaurus.....forget about it! Best I could do was get it to 30% before running out of time.

There is a JP fisherman on Shiva who is currently doing the idea I spoke of above....and he's freaking making a killing. 15k per Lik, 20k per Gugrusaurus, and they sell REALLY FAST! Whenever I see the guy sitting next to Zaldon in Selbina, he usually only has at most 3 or 4 Liks left before I can get to him. I've bought a few from him, but of course, my luck sucks ass and they're empty. I think I'm 0/18 on Liks now and 0/7 Gugrusaurus. I may just try to farm other stuff, accumulate gil, then buy the fishes from him until I get the items rather than try to catch them myself. However, once I do get that rod, from what I understand, it makes fishing Lik and Gugrusaurus painfully easy to do, which would be good for me!

I think it is quite smart to wait until you know what is really out there. With the new weapons being released and other variables I have no problem with the strategy.

Think of it this way, if you knew something cost $1,000,000 and took 18 months to do, would you pay $500,000 on day one? I, for one, would not.