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#1 Jan 07 2008 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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Figured I'd get this started up as sort of a personal blog to document the ups and downs, ins and outs of my personal journey to obtain the uber BST Axe "Guttler".

Yes, I know this is going to take a whole lot of gil to accomplish + a whole lot of patience...which I have. I mean c'mon Lv. 83 fishing, that took me a while to get! As of right now, I've only got low end 6 figures in gil and it's not a whole lot.

I have cleaned house and have put up all sorts of stuff from other jobs I was leveling at the Auction House to sell. The only gear I am keeping is the gear for my Lv. 75 BST, Lv. 75 BLM, and Lv. 75 THF. THF for farming purposes, BLM is what I use when I do Dynamis, and BST for events, occasional exp/meriting, and fishing. Yes, I fish as BST ALWAYS, and I equip my Relic Axe to show people why I am fishing so much.

My main source of gil currently is from fishing. I go to Nashmau and use Lu Shang's and Shrimp Lure to catch Ahtapot and Mercanbaligi (ToAU versions of Grimmonite and Bastore Bream) and once I'm full or near full or just altogether bored from fishing so much, I sell all my catches to a nearby NPC. Mercs sell for 600 each, and Ahtapot for 700 gil each. It's not a whole lot, but it adds up! In one evening of fishing (about 3 hours straight) I can make anywhere between 120-140k just from selling fishes to NPC. Other times, I'll go to the Boyahda Tree with my BST and kill Goobs for Wisteria Lumber and Tree Cuttings, but that gets boring quickly, and the drop rate (at least for me) sucks. Or for fun, I'll go on my THF, put on my Assassin's Culotte (enhanced Gilfinder) and go on a Beastman killing spree in one of the Beastman strongholds for fun and a little profit.

So far, I have purchased just 10 Tukuku Whiteshells towards the first upgrade. I have been picky when cruising the AFK bazaar areas, though. I've seen T. Whiteshells selling for 10k each in some AFK bazaars, but the ones I found were being sold for 8.5k and I snapped them right up. I'm always looking for deals on currency, and I know people in several endgame/dynamis shells that I am currently trying to work some deals on for purchasing currency. Hopefully I can get a nice lil' deal going where I can get as much currency as I can at a reduced price once I have a nice chunk of change in pocket.

Once some more of my stuff sells, and I'm able to get a deal set up with a Dynamis LS for deals on reduced rates of currency, I'll be buying up a whole bunch more. But for right now, the status of my upgrade looks like this.

Upgrade #1 - 10/300 T. Whiteshells
Upgrade #2 - 0/1400 O. Bronzepieces
Upgrade #3 - 0/6100 1 Byne Bills
Upgrade #4 - 0/10000 T. Whiteshells

As of right now, I'm still debating whether to farm until I can purchase a 100cc bill, or keep buying up 1cc bills. Since I've already purchased 10 1cc bills, I'll buy 90 more and get that first 100cc bill that way, then on the next one farm until I can buy a 100cc straight up and see which option is faster.
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#2 Jan 07 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
Just a note about upgrading, lots of people make an attempt at it only to quit the game or decide they like a different job and such. My advice to you is to hold on to all the upgrade items you get until you have everything necessary to go to level 3+

This way if you decide to quit or whatever, you still have all that cash you can sell opposed to a half upgraded relic weapon that you can't even NPC for 2K gil.
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#3 Jan 07 2008 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Interesting... I wish you luck, Siviard.

Edited, Jan 7th 2008 12:34pm by Sanah
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#4 Jan 07 2008 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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I know where you're coming from, and I've thought of that, but think of it this way...

With all of the account hackings going on, it would be more wise to upgrade the axe asap. That way IF my account does get hacked, the hacker won't make off with all of the currency and sell it off.

Besides, BST was my first love, and I'm 100% BST through and through. PLUS, I've no intention of quitting FFXI anytime soon. IF I ever do quit, it'll be waaaaay after I get my Guttler, which at my current rate will be 2+ years from now? LOL

*Ninja Edit* - BTW, this is something that I will be keeping updated regularly. Hopefully this will encourage more BSTs to take up the challenge and obtain their own Guttlers. Then we can show everyone the TRUE SUXX power of BST!

Edited, Jan 7th 2008 1:37pm by SiviardOfShiva
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#5 Jan 07 2008 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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good luck on your blog and post many nude pi.. i mean pics of your axe.
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#6 Jan 07 2008 at 12:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Good for you, Sivi; I expect a video sometime next year with you and your Guttler :P
#7 Jan 07 2008 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Good luck bro! I started working on mine well over a year ago. I got Leonine Axe pretty easily. Back then, it cost me 7million gil. I got almost to the stage 2 finale with 12/14 M. Silverpieces when I got tired out..... I sold all my currency, which allowed me to upgrade some of my gear, and pimp out my DRK. Today, I have a 7million gil axe that's useless for the most part. Sits squarely on my Mannequin. I have another friend starting Relic Polearm, and I feel I would be remiss if I didn't give you the same advice I gave her, which is the same advice Sing gave you:

Wait til you have enough to get the 3rd stage before you upgrade. If you got hacked that would suck, but face it, the odds are pretty slim if you are smart. On the other hand, if you get through Stage 2 and change your mind, that would be a LOT of gil wasted.

I was advised of this by a friend before I started, and being fresh and pumped, I ignored it. Now, I would kill for that 7mil back! :)

That said, good luck on your journey to Guttler! We will all be very jealous! :D

Edited, Jan 7th 2008 4:05pm by Firedevil
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#8 Jan 07 2008 at 1:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Awesome project, I wish you the best and I'm excited to see how this goes.

It would be pretty kickarse to see someone from "my" forum get a relic.

I wish I could help, but a different server kinda stops me from directly doing that. I'm sending you a PM right now with my money makers....not much, but it's something (and honestly, it looks like you make way more than I do on a per hour basis).

BST SUXX

Edited, Jan 7th 2008 5:17pm by STFUnoob
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#9 Jan 07 2008 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nope, ain't stoppin' for nuttin!

Here's my inspiration.....Lhu Marrechech (sp?) She is an NPC Mithra BST in Windurst Waters [S] in full BST relic armor, Tariqah shield, and a GUTTLER. Sometimes I'll AFK standing next to her wearing all of my BST relic armor (4/5 BTW need those **** boots) and my gimpy Woodville's Axe and gimpy Leopard axe.

Then when I see her despawn I'll run out to West Sarutabaruta [S] since I know she's in a Campaign Battle somewhere just so I can fight alongside her, her Guttler, and her 2 Greater Bird pets.

Trust me, if I were a Tarutaru, I would /hump her mercilessly! LOL

By the way, I'm not the only LoTB member upgrading a Guttler. Lomont from LoTB is also upgrading a Guttler, so eventually there will be 2 BSTs from the same BST LS sporting Guttlers. That'll be a sight to see!
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#10 Jan 07 2008 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Good luck.

And yeah, don't upgrade until you're finished obtaining everything you need. I personally made it halfway into an Amanomurakumo then decided that there were other pieces of equipment that were more important to me first. (I used that money to buy Haubergeon +1 and to upgrade various Salvage pieces.)

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#11 Jan 07 2008 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Good luck on your Guttler!

For extra entertainment, you can report all the fishbots that use that same fishing location in Nashmau.
#12 Jan 07 2008 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Actually, I'm usually the only one fishing there! Occasionally I'll see a couple other people fishing, but I can tell they're legit players and not RMT.

From the looks of it, at least on Shiva server, SE ban-stickied the RMT that were fish botting in Nashmau. Also, whenever I go to Talacca Cove, it's empty as well.
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#13 Jan 07 2008 at 4:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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All the luck in the world to you mate. I attempted to start this :/ but I don't have the income to do it. I got about 15 W.shells the realised it wasn't gonna work lol. All the best! Keep us updated!
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#14 Jan 07 2008 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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Just checked FFXIAH.com before I leave for work, and I see some of my stuff has sold both on my main AND my selling mule in Jeuno. w00t!!! Time to go on a currency shopping spree, maybe see if I can haggle some people into hooking me up with some lower prices.

I did find out about a NIN friend of mine from an HNMLS that was upgrading a Katana, but she gave up and is now selling all her currency. I'll see if I can haggle some and possibly get myself a 100cc tonight. I'll update Blog tomorrow with the events of what all goes on tonight.

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Ok, good luck with your quest but there are a couple of things that I think you need to do. First of all, level your cooking. This will take time, now but in the long run it means you will be ahead on gil because you can cook the fish and that adds profit to the fish you are catching.

Second of all, you are not in the optimum spot for the fish you are catching. You need to zone into the nearby talacca cove and fish there instead. With lushang and shrimp lure you will catch, mecs, ahtapot and dil. This is crucial because dil=black sole. Dil will provide you with possible skill ups, and you will catch the same fish faaster if you are a higher level. I am level 93 fishing and I can assure you that you will catch more dil at 93 than at 83. If you have cooking fully leveled of course you can make sushi from the mercs and dil. In other words, get the heck out of nashmau! I have cooking 99+3 and 93 fishing so im speaking from experience, not speculation on this topic.

I have the Leonine axe and 8 silverpieces but my upgrade plans are kind of on hold. My main reluctance to go farther is that Gutler just does not seem to be really all that overpowering considering what it costs in terms of time. The same can be said for several other relic weapons as well.

SE needs to boost Gutler and several other relic weapons, they have really suffered from the upward creep in power of other weapons. SE also kind of hinted that there was much more to the nyzul isle weapons than is presently known. I plan to wait and see how that shakes out before i spend anymore time on Guttler.

One way of looking at guttler is as the bst equivalent for seeking the holy grail. You may never complete the quest but it is an epic undertaking. So good luck with your quest and no regrets if you dont finish it!

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Bit of an add-on concerning what you said about Lhu Mhakaracca, Siviard. She's the one who passes Guttler on to you in spirit when you complete it. ;)
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#17 Jan 07 2008 at 7:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also don't forget you need attestation and fragment to complete the upgrade. Technically you can't really complete Guttler without getting help from a well established dynamis linkshell. Attestation drop rate is completely random and the fragment NM is definitely not an easy mob to deal with.

Best advise is to start your own dynamis LS or find a good one that allows you to sponsor runs. Also it's probably a good idea to wait for SE to release the new Nyzule Isle relic weapon. Double Axe sounds promising.

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#18 Jan 07 2008 at 9:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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man your getting me all wanting to start this gutler project since i've been whoring dyna just as hardheaded as that stupid bst relic body wldnt drop everytime i go there yet drops everytime i cant attend in bastok...

anyways back to the point, for sponsoring a run i never really understood is how much currency approximately you would get??? like say i pay 1mil for the glass to get the entrance in return would i get 1mil worth of currency back each round??? though i've done way too many that i cant even remmeber how much dyna runs i've been in since i just bash stuff when im in there and curse SE when i dont get my bst relic so i never really noticed what would be the average figure for currency in cities and northlands
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I am currently taking Goldmisthing to 100+3 on my Main and Clothcraft also to 100+3 on my secondary character. ONce those 2 goals are achieved I guess I will start on my trip to acquire Guttler, too. Keep us updated, thanks for the inspiration!
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Upgrading relic weapon is probably one of the most time consuming quest in this game. Simply buying currency from bazaar or dynamis LS is probably the least effective way to complete the task. Just take a look at Lu Shang quest - how long does it take for a player to fish up 10,000 carps? To complete final stage alone you will need 10,000 T whiteshells.

Sponsoring dynamis runs helps players to obtain currencies within a reasonable timeframe. The aim is to kill as many mobs as you can in order to maximise the amount of currency drop. In the ideal situation, you will need a group of competent players and THF to activate TH4 on both normal mobs and statues. Grab all time extensions and pray for 100 piece to drop. Depending on server economy it's not always possible to get 1mil worth of currency back. Generally it will take at least 6-9 months to complete the upgrade if you sponsor 2 dynamis runs a week and buy the rest of the currencies from Bazaar/through shout.

General rule of thumb - it's unlikely to complete relic upgrade within reasonable timeframe if you can't afford to sponsor at least 1 dynamis run per week.














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#21 Jan 08 2008 at 7:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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I applaud your ambition to upgrade and I second pretty much all of the advice that has been given so far. I doubt there's many people that haven't wanted to upgrade a relic at some point. That being said, I've always maintained that given enough time and determination anything is possible. Of course it may just go beyond reason at some point, lol.

However, for me, I have a hard time giving up about 95% of the content of FFXI for a year (or however long it takes) just to get one single item. Personally, I plan on finishing my Clothcraft on my alternate account (92 atm) and Alchemy and Bonecraft on my other mules to help pay the bills. Crafting seems to make sense for how I want to play, meaning less time farming and more time doing events, etc. Of course, I still have a lot of other gear I would like to obtain before then as well.

One point I really want to emphasize is: take the time to get into a "good" dynamis ls, if you're not already in one. I know it took me a long time (3+ years) to finally get into one that is capable of actually completing a relic weapon (finished relic dagger 2 months ago for our first fully unlocked relic in the ls).

There's nothing like a well established dynamis ls that knows its business. It's like a breath of fresh air after being in so many dynalses where the leaders are constantly screaming in Caps and swearing at members. Or where noob players run into stats causing constant wipes.

It doesn't have to be a big ls either (ie., 50+ people). The ls I'm currently in clears most dynamis areas with only 20 or so people. We defeated the animated weapon and attestation mob with only around 30 or so people.

One thing I found interesting. The relic holder in my ls made a comment the other day that he thought obtaining maat's cap was more impressive or difficult than a relic weapon. Its surprising how costly exping other jobs can be, not only in terms of gil but also time. Of course he was able to make his gil off of ancient beastcoins back when they would sell for 500k per coin. So maybe his view on things is a little skewed.

At any rate... Good Luck! We're all rooting for you. ^.^

Edit: Grammar, etc.

Edited, Jan 8th 2008 10:29am by Nisaren
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#22 Jan 08 2008 at 7:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just what I had hoped for!

1. Some of my higher end gear from other jobs I was leveling sold! That added with the gil I had already farmed from the previous 3-4 nights put me near the 1M mark!

2. That friend of mine from an HNMLS....remember me mentioning her? She was selling L. Jadeshells in her bazaar for 950k....but I was able to get her to sell it to me for 875k! Charm + Haggling skills FTW!

Upgrade #1 - 110/300 T. Whiteshells
Upgrade #2 - 0/1400 O. Bronzepieces
Upgrade #3 - 0/6100 1 Byne Bills
Upgrade #4 - 0/10000 T. Whiteshells

I MIGHT also have an opportunity to sponsor a Dynamis run or two sometime in the near future. I spoke to another friend of mine who own an HNMLS and told him what I was doing. He mentioned to me that their last few runs had netted crappy drops (no 100cc bills) and that their bank was now in the hole. I offered to sponsor a run for them so they could at least stay on a regular schedule. He will give me an answer here pretty soon since he was going to discuss the option with his sackholders due to the fact that up to this point, all of their runs were LS sponsored.

With that said, if it turns out that they allow me to sponsor some runs, I might consider selling the 10 T. Whiteshells that I had purchased to help build the 1M I'll need to purchase an hourglass from a Goblin. Regardless, I've got some farming to do.......after I get home from work, of course!

IRL/Work > FFXI

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Someone mentioned "good Dynamis LS"? The current Dynamis LS I am in is considered the best Dynamis LS on Shiva, name is CarpeNoctem. I've been on runs with them where they will completely raze an entire city zone and still have 20-30 minutes to spare. We also killed Dynamis Lord a couple weeks ago, and last week we fought TWO Attestation NMs in Dynamis-Beaucedine. We got Shield attestation for the Galka PLD upgrading a shield, but the 2nd Attestation NM didn't drop the Polearm attestation we were looking for. We got the lolStaff one instead. >.< But yeah, GREAT dynamis LS, only problem is.....they don't enter until MIDNIGHT CST! The Friday night runs are ok, I don't work on Saturday, but the Tuesday runs are brutal....I'm usually looking like an {Undead Swarm} the next day at work. LOL

Edited, Jan 8th 2008 10:55am by SiviardOfShiva
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SiviardofShiva wrote:
Someone mentioned "good Dynamis LS"? The current Dynamis LS I am in is considered the best Dynamis LS on Shiva, name is CarpeNoctem.


Awesome, I think that's pretty much the first step required. Honestly, sponsoring runs is nice and all but it can be a bit of a gamble especially with some less impressive dynamis lses. With a good ls, though, you should be able to make money or come close, just by counting up the singles, with 100s being a very nice bonus.

What does your Dynamis ls currently do with the currency? Is it possible to buy currency from them at a slightly reduced price?

I would think that dynamis lses would be more willing to sell to their own members, in that way money stays in the ls and everyone can benefit from it.
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Bit of an add-on concerning what you said about Lhu Mhakaracca, Siviard. She's the one who passes Guttler on to you in spirit when you complete it.


I knew there was a reason why I liked her. I just wish she would just pass the Guttler on to me in person in Windurst Waters [S] and be done with it. LOL
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This post is to reply to various comments I've seen thus far....

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I still have that problem a little bit, 30 y/o with A.D.D. w00t! But it's nowhere near as bad as it was in the past.....I think........ >.>

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First of all, level your cooking. This will take time, now but in the long run it means you will be ahead on gil because you can cook the fish and that adds profit to the fish you are catching


My cooking is currenty Lv. 35, which is the Meatball cap. I MIGHT take up cooking once my fishing reaches Lv. 100 or I obtain my Ebisu Fishing Rod (whichever occurrs first) Another possibility is to hook up with a Lv. 100 cook in my LS and provide her the materials and have her synth them up for me with the fish I catch and sell at Auction. Would be a nice lil' deal and of course I'd skim a lil' bit off the top to repay her for her services.

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Also don't forget you need attestation and fragment to complete the upgrade. Technically you can't really complete Guttler without getting help from a well established dynamis linkshell.


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What does your Dynamis ls currently do with the currency? Is it possible to buy currency from them at a slightly reduced price?


I sent a PM to the LS leader on the CarpeNoctem website asking him just that. I am awaiting a reply.
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Events of 1/8

Other than nabbing 4 more T. Whiteshells I found in a bazaar for 8.8k, not much else!

Last night was Dynamis night so I went and took a nap for a few hours before the scheduled Midnight entry into Dynamis-Xarcabard. STINGY STINGY drops too, not a single 100cc and about 1/3 of the mobs didn't even drop any coins. AF drops were 2 MNK, 1 RNG (off the NM), and 1 BST which went to a guy with a Lv. 62 BST (which is cool, I guess).

Today, I am SERIOUSLY hurting in the gil department. A bunch of the stuff I had up for sale hasn't sold because of undercutters. So me and Lomont (the other BST from LoTB upgrading a Guttler) are planning on trying to get an Alky pop item in Upper Delkfutt's Tower and pop the NM, sell and split the drop. We've also talked about staticking (sp?) the Up in Arms BCNM and do YOYD until each person gets their own Kraken Club to use then sell.

So, current totals as of right now......

Upgrade #1 - 114/300 T. Whiteshells
Upgrade #2 - 0/1400 O. Bronzepieces
Upgrade #3 - 0/6100 1 Byne Bills
Upgrade #4 - 0/10000 T. Whiteshells
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