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#1 Apr 25 2011 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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Hi all. I don't normally post in the RNG forum, but it doesn't seem like there is a lot of talk on Jishnu's Radiance builds. Anyways I am currently working on completing Gandiva and am in the process of putting together my gear sets for it. Just wanted some advise from the horse's mouth as I'm a COR at heart. Here is what i've come up with thus far:

TP:
Vulcan |Gatta+1 |Gandiva |Ruszor
AF3+2 |Sylvan |Clearview|Novia
AF3+2 |Skadi |Jalhzan |Bellona
Terrabellum|Buccaneer|AF3+2 |Gules+1

WS:
Vulcan |Gatta+1 |Gandiva |Ruszor
Moogle head |Light gorget|Dex+4 |Dex+4
Loki's Kaftan|Skadi |Rajas |Dex+7
Terrabellum |light Belt |Byakko |Lithe

some notes
Moogle head would be crit% and WS%
I plan on using SA,RR,SD atmas.

Is there something i'm missing?
I didn't list AF2 boots or Hachy hands as I do not have them yet.

Any advise at all would be appreciated.
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#2 Apr 28 2011 at 7:25 AM Rating: Good
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Guess I have a good build in mind. No one has anything to comment on?

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#3 Apr 29 2011 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
Hey Ath what happened to Shak? He disappeared on me lol.
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#4 Aug 18 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Just to post in the ranger forum, for the sake.. of posting in the ranger forum.

Aren't the augmented gules better than the +1's? Or is the 1 stp/1 ratt/1racc difference superior than possible +1-5 subtle blow, +1-3 str? (Keep in mind i'm not sure if both stats maxed can be found on the same piece)
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#5 Aug 19 2011 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Looks good to me but I'm no math wizard with calculating fSTR2 and secondary modifiers and all that lot when it comes to maximizing damage.

You might want to look at the difference between GH and SA for atma as the former gives further bonus to crit damage which may or may not outdo the STR/RATT of SA.

I've only just started working on a WF gun, so I'm a long way from Gandiva.
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#6 Oct 16 2011 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Just got myself a Harrier +2, so posting mine:

Vulcan |Gatta+1 | Harrier +2 | Antlion
Aias Bonnet |Light gorget|STR+2 |Clearview
Loki's Kaftan|Skadi |Rajas | Airy(DEX+5)
Cuchulain's |light Belt |Byakko |Scout's socks

Comments:
Antlion and Ruszor difference should be minimal due to +5 ratk from Antlion
STR+2 is to be changed to DEX+4, same with Clearview
I use Airy because DNC share the same benefit of DEX and CHR at the same time
Cuchulain's Mantle also, for the same reason, my BLU share the same benefit for spellcasting. Otherwise, that STR+5 DEX+5 mantle is the best.
Scout's socks is definitely better than Lithe, if you've capped dDEX
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#7 Oct 16 2011 at 8:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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For all you math geeks out there I made a discovery on Jishnu's a few months ago that I've been hesitant to post the results for due to fear of the SE nerf-bat. Basically, Jishnu's is the ONLY weaponskill where ftp damage is applied to every hit. How did I come to this conclusion? When I first got my Gandiva and started playing with Jishnu's, I noticed that quite often the numbers I was getting were significantly higher than what the math said they should be. I did some tests on worms in La Theine and found I was getting Jishnu damage in excess of what I SHOULD have been able to get at max pDif and full crits. Since it's pretty well known that Empy aftermaths don't proc on weaponskills and been proven that Dead Aim does not effect Jishnu's, there had to be some other reason. Proof finally came when I was brewing Cuijatender randomly for a friend.

Brew does several things to your character, but for the purpose of this discussion only 2 things are relevant. It sets all your stats to 999 and raises you pDif to max regardless of distance. Using an 85 Gandiva and Antlion arrows, my total base damage with capped FSTR2 is 172.

999 DEX * 0.6 = 599.4
599 * 0.85 = 509.15

Total base damage for Jishnu's not counting ftp = 681

I had both light gorget/belt on for a bonus of 20/256's to ftp which totals to 1.828125
The only crit damage bonus I had was 30% from Razed Ruins. Since this was a brew I made no attempt to stay in the sweet spot so True Shot is out.

1.828125 * 681 = 1244.953125

ftp modded base damage = 1244

1244 * 3.75 = 4665
4665 * 1.3 = 6064.5

6064 max damage on the first hit

681 * 3.75 = 2553.75
2553 * 1.3 = 3318.9

3318 on followup hits

So total 6064 + 3318 + 3318 = 12700 should be the max damage on Jishnu's in this situation.

However, except for one weaponskill I did 18192 damage every time.

18192 / 3 = 6064 meaning not only does Jishnu's ftp bonus apply to every shot, so does the bonus from belts/gorgets.

The one weaponskill that did less did 9796

Non-crit Jishnu's hit is 1244 * 3 = 3732

6064 + 3732 = 9796 meaning I missed one shot and failed to crit one shot (Ranger accuracy strikes again...)

As an aside, a total 5.25 ftp (1.75 * 3) vs. what would normally be the case of 3.75 (1.75 + 1 + 1) amounts to a 40% increase to the base damage... the same bonus that Dead Aim applies to ranged crits. Coincidence? Probably, but it would explain somewhat why Dead Aim doesn't apply to Jishnu's (although it should probably still apply to Arching/Heavy) and give some weight to the argument that this unique handling of ftp is intended. On the plus side, this also means that Jishnu's is hands down better than Sidewinder in all situations, including outside Abyssea.




Edited, Oct 16th 2011 10:34am by Saelae
#8 Oct 16 2011 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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Great analysis. I think that's irrefutable that subsequent shots fTP has the same as initial fTP. For you to be doing 18k everytime.. did you always WS at 100% ? What atma did you use?

With belt and gorget, that makes Jishnu a close-to-5.5 fTP crit-able WS, or an equivalent of 6.75 fTP non-crit WS. This even beats 300% TP Torcleaver lol.

But, as the only "WS" that has subsequent hit fTP=initial hit fTP, Jishnu's isn't the only one. BLUs recognized Goblin rush has 1.25 fTP on all hits, and Asuran Claw has 0.75 fTP on all hits. They probably intend to make them work that way.

Edited, Oct 16th 2011 6:41pm by VZX
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#9 Oct 16 2011 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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Atmas were Razed Ruin, Gnarled Horn, and Apoc (yes it was not optimal, I was in a hurry and this was the first brew I had done on Ranger) And it wasn't every time, as I said one did significantly less due to a missed shot and crit. But yes all the others did exactly 18192 every time. Spammed WS's at 100% every time (with RR and GH my base crit should have been about 78% (20% from stats 5% from merits 30+20% from atmas and 3% from AF3+2)) Jishnu's may have a small crit rate bonus at 100%, I don't know, but it certainly isn't enough to push me to 100% as I did miss 1 crit.

I also brewed Shinryu some recently with a slightly better setup (Razed Ruin, Gnarled Horn, and Sanguine Scythe and an extra 2% crit/WS damage from the mini-exp head piece) and remember getting over 23k nearly every time (I don't remember the exact number unfortunately) With RR and GH, Jishnu's seems to crit rather consistently even at 100%.

Edited, Oct 16th 2011 3:18pm by Saelae
#10 Oct 17 2011 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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Superb find...maybe i will finish my (currently lv 80) gandiva.

That is really stellar!
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