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#1 May 18 2010 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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What's better - this from a Ranger friend of mine?

I figured with my limited knowledge of RNG but cross-pollenating from playing COR that Skadi would be given the R.att. and R.acc. but I'm not sure if the AGI would beat out R.att.
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#2 May 18 2010 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Anything with movement speed reduction sucks. So Oily would have to be considerably better than Skadi for me to even consider it.
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#3 May 19 2010 at 10:52 PM Rating: Decent
Skadi legs solve the sTP problem in a manner that doesn't make much of a sacrifice, unlike Scout's Socks for Cobra Leggings, or Axe Grip for Rose Strap. If I didn't need the sTP, I'd say Hachiryu > Skadi = Enkidu > Pahluwan > Dusk > Relic = Oily. R.Acc is seldom an issue with Pot-au-feu on top of Accuracy traits so I prioritize power over nearly- or fully-capped R.acc.

Anywhere where Accuracy is an issue, I can imagine myself going with Relic for an enmity- build because I don't want anything I can't hit accurately facing me. In such a situation, sTP would just give me the option to get myself killed.

For WS, Oily are decent, but don't justify the pricetag. The AGI makes them slightly more appealing for Marksmanship users, but for Archery that's not much improvement.

Edit: Oily didn't come up when I made that list, that should say something ;o.

Edited, May 19th 2010 9:57pm by tertoonetwothreefour
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#4 May 26 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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For TP oily just give 7.5 racc. Skadi give 4 racc, 4ratk and 7 stp so even before considering how wonderful (and necessary for most x-hits without silly choices) 7 stp is, you already want skadi's ratk.

For WS oily's 5 agi is only 1.5 base damage (and 7.5 racc), whereas enkidu's is 2 base damage / ratk. Hachi are obviously the best option.

Basically Skadi's is your best standard TP piece when STP makes a difference. Only thing realistically better is ASA legs with racc/ratk and/or barrage.

WS, oily are okay because they give a substantial amount of ranged accuracy and 1~2 damage...so if that racc lets you swap to a flame ring instead of an racc ring etc you can use them. In capped accuracy, they are meh.

I'm honestly confused why oily are still so expensive given the other leg options. They aren't the best ranged pants, and they are no longer particularly good for thieves, plus dancer's have more accurate leg gear for steps/WS...so why hasn't demand adjusted!?
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#5 May 26 2010 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Trick is, for most x-hit builds, youre going to need to keep those skadis on for WS's to keep your 4/5 hit build. Hachi are best for ws using archery, but add very little base dmg to a slugshot build that would actually be used for agi in that instance. Its going to depend more on the entirety of you build, how much agi and str your pushing etc to see if that 6 str (over enkidu's) pushes you up on the dmg scale or not. IIRC, when doing the calculations the other day with VZX's spreadsheet, Hachi only bumped my SW dmg by 3-5 points.
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#6 May 27 2010 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Hachi are best for ws using archery, but add very little base dmg to a slugshot build that would actually be used for agi in that instance.


For Sidewinder, hachi legs give 6.6 base damage.
For Slug shot, hachi legs give 5 base damage.
For Slug shot, oily legs give 1.5 base damage.

Unless you're hitting fSTR cap, Hachi win. Even if you're hitting fSTR cap, you can swap out other gear like a flame for a breeze. Basically any other slot where you can't get twice the amount of STR than AGI.

Even then, realistically you won't have hachi legs so leaving skadi on during WS isn't terrible, 5 agi and some racc will barely do better than 4 ratk and will for sure do substantially less than losing your hit build.
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#7 May 29 2010 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Precisely why i chose to NOT spend 17mil for hachi legs.
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#8 May 31 2010 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Hachi are best for ws using archery, but add very little base dmg to a slugshot build that would actually be used for agi in that instance.

^ wrong

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For Sidewinder, hachi legs give 6.6 base damage.
For Slug shot, hachi legs give 5 base damage.

^ actual values, note that the previous best damage would be enkidu's leggings giving bow ~2.6 damage and marks 2.

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Precisely why i chose to NOT spend 17mil for hachi legs.


What? They are adding near identical amounts of damage. Your first post was wrong and your second post wasn't even referencing anything. You can argue that 3-4 damage aren't worth the price tag, however hachi legs are the best WS pants for any ranged WS, just slightly better for archery than marks.

Unless for some reason you value 4 points of damage worth 17 mil, but not 3 points. Also note that chances are you would be WSing with a gun that would have higher base damage and therefore need more ratk and potentially benefit even more from hachi legs than bow would.
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