Sidewinder @ 54-55Follow

Hello

i just reactivated my account a few months back, started leveling my RNG again.

my question is what my sidewinder should be doing at 54-55. i just had a Lesser Colibri party and it was doing 725-775 consistently. seems like i remember it doing more than that at this level but i forget.

Debuffs on mob were only Dia II, equipment is 2x Hawkers knifes, war Bow +1, Scorpion Arrows, Hunter Beret, Rangers Necklace, 2x drone earing, Brigandine, Hunter's Bracers, Carapace Ring+1 x2, Nomad's Mantle, Royals Knights belt+1, Jaridah salvars, Leeping Boots. Lvl 2 archery merits.

i was not using food because we didn't have a proper tank so i tanked 50% of the time and would constantly loose food. i am lvl 55 with my archery skill caped from leveling SAM. anyways i am just really looking to see if i am doing around the right damage @ 54-55, any tips from some pro rangers would be much appreciated!

Edit: i am also Galka.

Thanks!!

Edited, Feb 6th 2010 8:38pm by Verexenus

Did you have a brd in the party? I'm guessing no. If no brd and no food, you numbers look about right.

Synced at 55 with a brd keeping songs up and eating subs I was doing 1200-1300, with a couple highs of 1600. My best was a 1680 + 600 to close a SC. When I ran out of subs and brd missed songs, I was hitting around 700-800 with highs of 1100.

My gear isn't great and I have no arch merits. 2x hawkers, V. Bow, scorp arrows, Hunter's beret, rng necklace, 2x drone, Shikaree Aketon, Jaridah Bazubands, 2x Carapace Ring+1, Nomad's Mantle, Royals Knights belt, Jaridah salvars, Bounding Boots

Edited, Feb 7th 2010 4:29pm by RobbyFaces

Depending on your accuracy, try swapping in more +str in ring, ear, feet, legs, etc. You will start seeing slightly better numbers. The real drawback and one that would truly help you the most is swapping that warbow +1 out for Vali's/Ebow or even a selene's

Your accuracy under these conditions (54-55, not using +r.acc food) is very unlikely to justify removal of r.acc gear for slugwinder. Also, v/e-bow is level 55, and s-bow is 60. I haven't tested those bows under level sync, but unless someone has actually demonstrated that they are better than the war +1, I'd just stick with that.

You could, if you wanted to, upgrade to Bodkin arrows (at least for WS). They're only 4 more damage, they're not quiverable, and they tend to be expensive and/or difficult to find.

You might as well have said "depending on if monkeys fly out of your ass". My point is that it's just not happening.

It was explicitly stated that he wasn't using food. You want to spam sushi or pot at colibri, that's a different discussion. But you also seem to be forgetting the huge accuracy penalty on slugwinders to start with. Even if you don't need the r.acc gear to cap accuracy during TP, you WILL need it for WS unless you plan to TP to 200 or something every time.

And since half of the scenario is level 54, I think it should be pretty obvious that my comments regarding sync were pertaining to when it actually applies. I mean, no sh*t v/e is better once you ding 55.

Again, you're neglecting the accuracy. Granted that r.acc +5 isn't a lot, but neither is DMG +1 or +2. All of the arrows mentioned could be a potential improvement over scorps, but you're going to have to try a lot harder to convince me that any of the arrows you mentioned are specifically better than bodkin, aside from possibly the elemental arrows being easier and/or cheaper to get.

At 55 he likely is using jaridah (or he should be). But I recall those levels vividly and without sushi or a BRD, it was impossible to hit slugwinders accurately without 150-200 tp.

S.Bow is pretty horrible under sync. The one thing that makes it worth crap(Racc/Ratk) doesn't work at all. Really disappointing, but I don't know why I expected otherwise. I'm comparing it to Ebow at same level as I no longer owned a War bow by that point(And E.Bow was borrowed;_;)

OP: I know it's just for a couple levels, but you really should buy a Jaridah Peti. 58+ you're going to be using AF body, but it doesn't seem to sync very well at all(You will probably get a lot of 55-57 parties still).

With no Brd or and no food my Sidewinders weren't to far off from yours at all(at that level). Depending on the Brd, they usually got to around 1-1.2k.
Used "Depending" because some Brd's thought I might have a use for Madrigal or March :/

Meh, send them all to RoTZ and see if they can still exp.

I have and i still used my level 75 gear synced to nearly no bonuses. Yet, i still didnt have a problem landing 85%+. Given some merits kick in and offset the fact that 75 gear synced at 55 doesnt provide much of anything, but still. if youre having that big of a problem at 55 landing sidewinder then you do need to reevaluate your setup. I didnt have that big of an issue at 55 (and this was pre toau, pre rng buffs/nerf) and i dont have that big of an issue while synced.



I've done this with people from my shell. It's brutal watching them think they can go apesh*t on a mob and kill it, when it just turns and eats their faces off.

What setup is there that could be improved at 55? About the only thing most RNG's may not have at that level would be a PCC (5 RACC more than Ranger's necklace). There just isn't a lot of RACC gear at 55. You've got rings and Jaridah and your Hunter's knives. The only setup to improve RACC would be to eat sushi and live with it being stolen or get a BRD or COR in the party.

Maybe the problem is we view different percentages of missing SW as acceptable. I would like to hit SW at 95% cap at 100 tp. That's the best damage I can do. Hitting at 80% results in a significant damage drop that can't be made up for in gear to boost SW's damage. At 55 without sushi or BRD or COR, its nigh on impossible to get to 95% on 100 tp SW, so you either live with lesser accuracy or you build more TP. I chose the latter because missing was less acceptable to me than shooting an extra shot or two to get better RACC.

Akinji wasnt released until ToAu. (marid and karakul leather needed). The only other piece at the time for rng with ANYWHERE near that amount of racc on it was the AF body..at 58.

Here ya go, pre TOAU Racc setup: (read: racc, not str setup)

Main/sub: Hawker's x2 (+22 racc)
Neck: PCC (+10 racc)
Body: Noct +1 (+3 racc)
hands: Noct +1 (+2 racc)
legs: Noct +1 (+2 racc)
Feet: Repub. Sub (+4 outside nation control)
Rings: Scorpion +1 x2 (+16 racc)

Total: +55 (+59 outside nation control)
add in racc bonus from traits: (+35)
beyond that you might have something like +20 agi or so (+10 racc)

all in all, before food you're looking at something like +100 racc right there, pre akinji, pre most of the crap people use today. And this doesnt include food bonuses if you used sushi.

The '05 nerf was to racc/ratt based on your range to your target, the same "nerf" that applies today. The only thing it kept us from doing is standing toe to toe with mobs and tping with ratt's and melee weapons, which some of us are still doing today.



Not necessarily, you can still be under racc cap and land 85% of your slugwinders. And maybe you be smart and NOT fire off at 100% and actually hold for a few more shots to get better tp acc. Its all about what works.

Youre missing a vital point to all of this, and that is, gear for the situation you are in and do your job. If youre not getting outside buffs, and your enot using food, let go of the fire/vulcans, sub ninja and dual wield some hawkers or put on other gear instead of +str gear everywhere.




Man i loved pulling those... enhanced movement speed and all lol. You didnt get back to camp unscathed w/o being on point with that utsu macro.

Other areas: Darters/Steelshells, Ro'Maeve/Sky, Manticores in Vollbow, Spiders in Dragon's Airy, Bones in gustav tunnel / KRT..., AND lets not leave out Gobs in bibiki bay that can 1 shot melees with bomb toss.

"Holy sh*t CHAIN 6!!!! THIS PT IS AWESOME!"

These damn kids have no idea how easy it is for them now. I mean sh*t, we used to be the PULLERS for parties, can you imagine these new rngs trying to pull xp mobs like darters and raptors? now THATS LOLS

Edited, Feb 20th 2010 3:43am by Aryden

Edited, Feb 20th 2010 3:45am by Aryden

Aryden, I was referring to your answer where you claim to have synced down to 55, fired your SW at 100% tp with no food or buffs from support jobs. You claimed to land SW 85% of the time which is bullsh*t.

From the tests posted, SW has a huge racc penalty at 100% tp.

Also, in regards to you saying that today's gear is much better is also bs. I looked up and without trying too hard I came up with 13 racc in gear (agi can be converted to racc as well) which is 1 more racc than the Akinji set (given that is expensive for a job that's already very expensive to begin with).

Sync again and parse. You'd be surprised.

My $.02 says sidewinders versus Lesser Colibri are low end 1200 (no berserk, level 55), high end 2200 (berserk, sharpshot/str/att gear 59). Then again I precapped Archery merits and the girlie gifted me an Ebow... And statics with me on BRD... I love her.

Back on point, you should be RNG/WAR at 55-60 birds. Anything else is holding you back. Adjusting my playstyle was a small price to pay to see mobs drop at 50%, frequently higher with SC. You might not be able to fire a third shot until 30 seconds into the battle with Berserk up, but shaving the back end off of every other enemy really adds up to some quick xp.

After 5 or 10 bird parties blurred together, I got the playstyle down to the point I can use p-a-f +1 safely. Welll ok I ran out of NQ before I had to nut up and go HQ, but I got one to last for 45 minutes ^^. I leveled RNG to see scads of gil go down the drain in a blaze of magnificent glory, and that's exactly what I'm getting.