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Job Adjustments and Additions: Part I (10/14/2009) Follow

#152 Jan 02 2010 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, hold on Carl, first there are a few things to look at.

It's incredibly popular now to just get to your mid 30's and sync in Ronfaure (s) on birds till you can do birds in wajoam/bhaflau. This means that off the top, we are getting a +25% damage bonus against birds so youre going to do 25% MORE damage per hit that anyone else that ISNT using piercing damage.

Also, you have to remember, birds like to hit hard and fast, enmity lost is a a function of the damage taken and your total hitpoints, so the harder a mob hits you, the more hate you lose, whereas, a Rng is generally standing back and not getting clobbered thus not losing enmity at the same rate.

Provoke is a flat 1800 Volatile enmity with +/- % based on the +/- enmity of the person voking. VE wears at 60/sec. So youre going to build hate faster, and lose hate slower than the people voking, or trying to tank the mob youre fighting on a general basis, unless you have a really good and well gear paladin.

I gurantee that at your levels, if you were to fight mobs other than birds, your damage is going to fall much much closer to that of other DD's.


Now, if you want to slightly gimp yourself when pulling, just so youre not tanking from the, you could always macro in some wooden arrows for your pull shot, they're still going to hurt the mob, but not so much that a tank cant voke it right off you.

Keep in mind as well, at various levels, merit levels start kicking in and you never know if maybe the war thats trying to tank has -enmity merits because he is a blm or whm main.


The correct answer is "not everyone is equal in all situations, but there are some ****** players too"
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#153 Jan 04 2010 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Aryden, I totally understand what you are saying and that's the issue that SE needs to fix when it comes to ranger or it will never be the DD it can be.

However, my experiences go beyond just east ronfaure (s) bird parties. It goes up to level 66 on a lot of jobs since I am trying to get maat's cap without doing smn burns. It's a slow process but it lets me go to numerous camps and learn a lot about every job.

The number one problem I see with parties is that usually 75% of the people aren't eating food or have the proper gear. On both war (gaxe) and monk, I was able to keep hate numerous times against rngs, drgs and plds in the mid 50's to late 60's. At that point, all jobs have abilities, spells and weapon skills strong enough to pull hate easily.

My point is that the worse the people you party with, the lower you have to keep your dmg. If you are partying against people that gear themselves properly, know the job and eat (spam) some food, then you are allowed to do more dmg before pulling hate. Also, strong party members kill fast. This allows you to not worry so much when you pull hate since by the time the mob strips your shaddows, it should be dead or very close to dead.

I also understand that rangers don't get cheap food but close range DDs do get a variety of attack and acc cheap food that they can spam.
#154 Jan 06 2010 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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However, my experiences go beyond just east ronfaure (s) bird parties. It goes up to level 66 on a lot of jobs since I am trying to get maat's cap without doing smn burns. It's a slow process but it lets me go to numerous camps and learn a lot about every job.

The number one problem I see with parties is that usually 75% of the people aren't eating food or have the proper gear. On both war (gaxe) and monk, I was able to keep hate numerous times against rngs, drgs and plds in the mid 50's to late 60's. At that point, all jobs have abilities, spells and weapon skills strong enough to pull hate easily.

My point is that the worse the people you party with, the lower you have to keep your dmg. If you are partying against people that gear themselves properly, know the job and eat (spam) some food, then you are allowed to do more dmg before pulling hate. Also, strong party members kill fast. This allows you to not worry so much when you pull hate since by the time the mob strips your shaddows, it should be dead or very close to dead.

I also understand that rangers don't get cheap food but close range DDs do get a variety of attack and acc cheap food that they can spam.



Oh dont get me wrong, i do completely concur. I havent levelled a job post 40 in years, till recently and now i am working on war. I see it as well as you do. The fortunate thing however, is that, you have the choice of going to / staying with that party or not. I have no qualms with leaving a pt in a heartbeat if people arent doing their jobs. Thats the choice you get to make.

As for not having cheap food, well sure there is plenty, you have Pot-au-feu 10k a stack, you could even choose to eat mithkabobs if you like, you dont get ratt or racc out of it, but atleast you get some str. You could even get crab sushi if you want some racc. There are things you can do.

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#155 Jan 07 2010 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Aryden wrote:
As for not having cheap food, well sure there is plenty, you have Pot-au-feu 10k a stack, you could even choose to eat mithkabobs if you like, you dont get ratt or racc out of it, but atleast you get some str. You could even get crab sushi if you want some racc. There are things you can do.

Spamming mithkabobs for the STR is a pretty poor use of gil.
Crab sushi does not give RACC.
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#156 Jan 07 2010 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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sorry bout that, the copy paste method of being an *** failed on me last night, salmon sushi does though and its like 8k on Bis... and yes spamming miths for str is fail, but regardless, there are options, which is the point i was trying to make...
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#157 Feb 23 2010 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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Anybody think they'll put the enmity adjustment into the March update? Or did they just kill that idea permanently? I would love some sort of RNG boost... it used to be my favorite job but I haven't played it in months.
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#158 Feb 23 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Lothiriel wrote:
Anybody think they'll put the enmity adjustment into the March update? Or did they just kill that idea permanently? I would love some sort of RNG boost... it used to be my favorite job but I haven't played it in months.
Permanently dead.

Let it go.
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#159 Feb 23 2010 at 2:29 PM Rating: Default
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Permanently dead.

Let it go.



That's funny because mine outperforms [Insert Bandwagon Job] on just about anything that is able to be DD'd.
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#160 Feb 23 2010 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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I think he meant the enmity adjustment was permanently shelved, not that RNG is a dead job.
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#161 Feb 23 2010 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Lothiriel wrote:
I think he meant the enmity adjustment was permanently shelved, not that RNG is a dead job.
Bingo.

And here I thought that was obvious. Particularly with the question "Or did they just kill that idea permanently?" right there.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2010 4:19pm by bsphil
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#162 Feb 23 2010 at 8:44 PM Rating: Default
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Old mentality, just thought it was a potshot and play on words.
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#163 Feb 24 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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That's funny because mine outperforms [Insert Bandwagon Job] on just about anything that is able to be DD'd.


I imagine a well-played, pimped out [Insert Non-Bandwagon DD Job here] will outperform most [Insert Bandwagon DD Job Here] with average gear and average skills.

The real question is: can a well-played, pimped out [Insert Non-Bandwagon Job Here] outperform an average-geared, average skilled [Insert Bandwagon Job Here]? In other words are bandwagon jobs popular because they truly outperform other jobs? Or are they popular because you get the most bang for your buck if you are an average player?

I still think getting the -enm bonus would have been a nice olive branch from SE. The camouflage thing is a waste since it really only works well if you are directly behind the mob and most fights, that's not easily done since mobs are often bouncing hate around.
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